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Despare 11-20-2006 10:07 AM

Parents Who Are Of Alternative or No Religion
 
Just curious about this. Does anybody out there have kids now and are also of a religion that doesn't believe in God or maybe don't believe in religion at all? If so, have any of your kids turned to Christianity or Jeduism or a more traditional religion? If seen this happen to the opposite degree but haven't personally seen it happen this way. How did you react? Did you support them? Just curious...

stubbornforgey 11-20-2006 10:10 AM

with my children i give them the right to choose thier own religion and yes i would support them in every way.

X¤MurderDoll¤X 11-20-2006 10:10 AM

I have no religion.

(Which is stupid.)

I don't want kids. It doesn't seem financially possible anyway

Despare 11-20-2006 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stubbornforgey (Post 511626)
with my children i give them the right to choose thier own religion and yes i would support them in every way.

Now do you teach them about your religion (I vaugely remember you being wiccan but I could be wrong) or just about every relgion and let them decide. I personally think it's normal that parents would teach their kids about their religion.

stubbornforgey 11-20-2006 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X (Post 511628)
I have no religion.

(Which is stupid.)

not really...being an athiest is just as good.
my family are catholic..(i don't know why exactly)
i was dragged up as a jehovahs witness..
have sat in a mormon church and neither made sense..
they scared the shit out of me.
...but i have recently discovered my true calling
and where i feel more comfortable.

Miss Olivia 11-20-2006 10:19 AM

I'm my own religion. The only hope I have for my children is that they will do whatever feels right to them. I've decided I will show them all the facets of all the different religions, good and bad, and then let them make the decision for themselves. And whatever they choose, I will support. That's what you do when you love someone.

X¤MurderDoll¤X 11-20-2006 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stubbornforgey (Post 511632)
not really...being an athiest is just as good.
my family are catholic..(i don't know why exactly)
i was dragged up as a jehovahs witness..
have sat in a mormon church and neither made sense..
they scared the shit out of me.
...but i have recently discovered my true calling
and where i feel more comfortable.

what if there is a god? It's like the lottery, can't win if you don't buy a ticket.

urgeok 11-20-2006 10:23 AM

my wife and i have no religion ..

i hate even having a label for that ..

we are leaving it out of our childs immediate education.
there is no way he can grasp the concepts yet.

when he stops believing in santa claus we'll give him an unbiased history lesson.

if under his own will he decides to check a religion out later in life - we'll support his beliefs -

its amazing to see what other parents are teaching their kids though ..
makes it difficult at times.

one friend is like a 5 year old televangelist.. already a jesus freak with no understanding of what the whole thing is about yet.
another one (a muslim) told him christians dont believe in god.

kids will lock onto things and apply their own kid logic to it ... best to wait until they can comprehend the more complex trappings of an organized belief system.

stubbornforgey 11-20-2006 10:24 AM

em not a wiccan !!'eeps'..
erm..whats a wiccan ??
'looks nervously around'
is it catchy..??can ppl die from this.??


teach my children about god..??
no way...this is thier choice.
I myself believe god exists in may way shapes and forms but my children can't see through my eyes.

The Flayed One 11-20-2006 10:30 AM

If I decide to have children, I will do my best to teach them about every religion. They will know why I am the way I am, and they will be encouraged to make up their own mind. I don't think there's anyway to avoid teaching your children. Unless they're homeschooled, they are going to be subjected to other views sooner or later. Just like sex, I want them to learn about it from me and let them know they have the right to choose and plenty of time to think about it.

I grew up in a pentacostle family. If that's what my children want for themselves, they will always have my loving support. If they want to be Christian, I want them to be intelligent ones.

The STE 11-20-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X (Post 511638)
what if there is a god? It's like the lottery, can't win if you don't buy a ticket.

*shrug* Pascal's Wager. Although you could always be agnostic

Roderick Usher 11-20-2006 11:09 AM

I'm a dad and ex-Catholic. I'm a bit obsessed with Iconography, so there are tons of Figurines of Jesus, Mary the Saints and the like around our house. I tell my kids the bible stories I know because most of them hold a good moral and knowing the history of the Church is knowing the history of Western Civilzation. But by no means am I raising them as "Christian."

I'm not exactly "of no religion" but I don't prescribe to any one...I prescribe to them all. I've been teaching my kids about the different world religions and about the commonalities of them all. The good & bad. I stress teaching and philosophy over dogma and that religion is above all, a personal choice.

I also point out to the kids that religion is and has been one of the primary causes of war, murder and persecution. The eldest has been exposed to many religions and has decided that he believes in Ra. :confused:

Like Miss O said, it's about allowing your children to make their own decision.

Vodstok 11-20-2006 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Usher (Post 511650)
I'm a dad and ex-Catholic. I'm a bit obsessed with Iconography, so there are tons of Figurines of Jesus, Mary the Saints and the like around our house. I tell my kids the bible stories I know because most of them hold a good moral and knowing the history of the Church is knowing the history of Western Civilzation. But by no means am I raising them as "Christian."

I'm not exactly "of no religion" but I don't prescribe to any one...I prescribe to them all. I've been teaching my kids about the different world religions and about the commonalities of them all. The good & bad. I stress teaching and philosophy over dogma and that religion is above all, a personal choice.

I also point out to the kids that religion is and has been one of the primary causes of war, murder and persecution. The eldest has been exposed to many religions and has decided that he believes in Ra. :confused:

Like Miss O said, it's about allowing your children to make their own decision.

Hey, at least he isnt worshipping Set or Anubis....

Our daughter will probably get a mix of light christian (my wife) and scientific views on things. i am crazy darwin guy, but in the end, without time lapse photgraphy of evolution, it cant really be proven, so we plan on teaching everythign with the preface of "Keep an open mind"

stubbornforgey 11-20-2006 11:19 AM

Thats a good final point...
'keeping an open mind' :)

PR3SSUR3 11-20-2006 12:17 PM

I'm not sure about evolution not being proven - there is a huge scientific consensus supporting it, and the time-lapse photography you mention could take the form of fossils as solid evidence. Scientists have fitted these together and formed a pattern.

And I think unless you close your mind around some things, you're in danger of not truly focusing like you should - in this case, if a man has an open mind about what might be after death, he might be more likely to give up living (and start hoping) than a man who knows irrefutably that death is the final, absolute end for you in any form of existence whatsoever.

Vodstok 11-20-2006 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3 (Post 511695)
I'm not sure about evolution not being proven - there is a huge scientific consensus supporting it, and the time-lapse photography you mention could take the form of fossils as solid evidence. Scientists have fitted these together and formed a pattern.

And I think unless you close your mind around some things, you're in danger of not truly focusing like you should - in this case, if a man has an open mind about what might be after death, he might be more likely to give up living (and start hoping) than a man who knows irrefutably that death is the final, absolute end for you in any form of existence whatsoever.

I dont have any doubt that evolution is the way, BUT despite overwhelming evidence, you have to accpet that it is still circumstantial, in a way.

I get annoyed when they show a paleontologist saying "This dinosaur was active at night". Sure the evidence suggests that it was, but who knows, animals and the world were VERY different 65 million years ago...

urgeok 11-20-2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3 (Post 511695)
I'm not sure about evolution not being proven - there is a huge scientific consensus supporting it, and the time-lapse photography you mention could take the form of fossils as solid evidence. Scientists have fitted these together and formed a pattern.

And I think unless you close your mind around some things, you're in danger of not truly focusing like you should - in this case, if a man has an open mind about what might be after death, he might be more likely to give up living (and start hoping) than a man who knows irrefutably that death is the final, absolute end for you in any form of existence whatsoever.


i see a lot of evidence of that where people let themselves "lie in the hands of god" forgetting the failsafe rule 'god helps those who help themselves'

a lot of missed opportunity because 'god willed it this way' instead of working for what they need (most often - a relationship with the opposite sex)

Vodstok 11-20-2006 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by urgeok (Post 511705)
i see a lot of evidence of that where people let themselves "lie in the hands of god" forgetting the failsafe rule 'god helps those who help themselves'

a lot of missed opportunity because 'god willed it this way' instead of working for what they need (most often - a relationship with the opposite sex)

reminds me of the joke about the flood....

Despare 11-20-2006 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vodstok (Post 511712)
reminds me of the joke about the flood....

I've always liked that one. Anyway the main reason I asked is that I know a lot of people who are Christians and if their children grew up anything but they would be dissapointed. In a way based on their beliefs I can understand because they believe their children will go to Hell and you know, that's not good. I was just curious if a parent would be dissapointed in their child for choosing to be a Christian or a Jew because they felt it was wrong but I suppose the parent would have to be anti-religion and not just unreligious.

urgeok 11-20-2006 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 511723)
I was just curious if a parent would be dissapointed in their child for choosing to be a Christian or a Jew because they felt it was wrong but I suppose the parent would have to be anti-religion and not just unreligious.


i honestly would be dissapointed..
it would create a gap in how we understand each other ...

wouldnt love him any less though ..

kpropain 11-20-2006 01:40 PM

I am atheist, and being in the south in the bible belt fucking SUCKS as far as religion goes anyway...I have a nine year old son and I won't influence him either way but I will allow him to form his own opinion of what he believes in...

Kemal 11-20-2006 03:04 PM

So you're wondering if an atheist or someone with a non-traditional faith has seen their kids turn to a conventional religion like Christianity? I haven't seen that happen, but I am sure that it has happened somewhere. But overall, I think religion is declining in importance in Western societies. Societies are getting more and more secular.

I'm not religious myself. I could entertain the possibility that some intelligent force created the universe, but I don't think spirits are in control of my life.

urgeok 11-20-2006 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kemal (Post 511807)
But overall, I think religion is declining in importance in Western societies. Societies are getting more and more secular.

i think you'll see that change overnight if we do head into a holy war which i dont think is that remote a possibility.

people have kept remarkably level heads given whats happened in the last couple of years .. (and the not so stellar history of tolerence in the west) but one or two more incidences - especially on the home front - and no one will be able to hold back the dogs.

(a possible future that has me terrified by the way)

stubbornforgey 11-21-2006 11:05 AM

with my fiancee now 'sigh'

i would hand over all teachings to him .regarding our children
..he would make a great teacher...and most of all a beautiful father.

Haunted 11-21-2006 11:57 AM

Stubborn...A person who practices Wicca (a Wiccan) is someone who believes in the ancient traditions of the whole of northern Europe and even the Hellenic traditions and Roman. They also practice Witchcraft. Witch being derived from the Anglo-Saxon term "to bend" or "wise" no one is certain which word it comes from. Anyway, they are apart of the Neopagan movement.

I am not Wiccan, though I am Neopagan. For the record, I don't plan on having children, and for me to put forth anything else into this thread would be like speaking to a large crowd of people who only understand Cantonese.

urgeok 11-21-2006 12:21 PM

here is a picture of a Wiccan, and the chair she just made...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/...rt/lecture.jpg

PR3SSUR3 11-21-2006 12:23 PM

Ah-so! We are not worthy, Haunted-san.

Flied lice, velly nice!

Ugh - seen this?


http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/...t_is_it_sm.jpg

:eek:

stubbornforgey 11-21-2006 12:26 PM

EM NOT A WITCH!!
eeeeeeeps..

i don't wanna burn at the stake.

'pant pant'

i can barely predict 5 minutes infront of me

Vodstok 11-21-2006 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kemal (Post 511807)
I'm not religious myself. I could entertain the possibility that some intelligent force created the universe, but I don't think spirits are in control of my life.

I htink that sums up my views perfectly.

urgeok 11-21-2006 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Haunted (Post 512472)
and for me to put forth anything else into this thread would be like speaking to a large crowd of people who only understand Cantonese.

i know some cantonese.

stubbornforgey 11-21-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by urgeok (Post 512498)
i know some cantonese.


mmmmmmmmm cantoneese noodles

urgeok 11-21-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stubbornforgey (Post 512504)
mmmmmmmmm cantoneese noodles



ho sec !


........

Haunted 11-21-2006 02:08 PM

It's like this:

No, Presser, I don't "think you're unworthy." I just choose not to talk about it with people with whom I'm not close. Also, judging by the responses in this thread, I don't think that my views would be the least bit interesting.

And no, Stubborn, you're not a Witch. Be ever so grateful.

PR3SSUR3 11-21-2006 02:37 PM

http://www.fund4horses.org/images/la...aim_images.jpg

novakru 11-21-2006 02:46 PM

Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe as long as it's what the majority Believe in.And if you don't, if you have a different view-then you'll fry for it:D


But back to the question:
I have a friend who is Wiccan and her daughter has decided to become a Catholic.
She is fine with it because she taught her daughter to go with what feels right for HER.

Haunted 11-21-2006 03:12 PM

Pr3ss3r:D

Look at your signature, and then take a look at mine.;)

End of discussion.

kpropain 11-21-2006 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3 (Post 512486)
Ah-so! We are not worthy, Haunted-san.

Flied lice, velly nice!

Ugh - seen this?


http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/...t_is_it_sm.jpg

:eek:

That has to be one of the most disturbing things I've seen in awhile :eek:

PR3SSUR3 11-21-2006 03:31 PM

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Pr3ss3r

Look at your signature, and then take a look at mine.

End of discussion.
______________

I was thinking I may as well change it to a trouser or printing press pic, Hunted.

http://www.huge-entity.com/blogger4/witch-hunt-3.jpg


:D

crabapple 11-21-2006 03:34 PM

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, ahh, what that is, that photo there, that is some props that were built for a scene in Star Trek The Motion Picture...the first movie...there is a transporter malfunction and some people get scrambled up and killed, and those puppets were made for that scene. that is what that is. i think.

damn 10 character minimum

crabapple 11-21-2006 03:36 PM

That scene.....was....cut? ....from the finished movie....and....that is why you did not see it in the film. was too gruewsome for the G rating and they had to have a G rating


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