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Religion is a personal thing...It isn't something you should try to force on someone...

How can people have ANY type of relationship, if they don't respect each other's beliefs?

How can anyone say, "Believe what I believe, or I won't love you"?


Some people believe in ghosts or aliens, some don't...have you ever heard anyone say something like, "Well, I can't be with you unless you believe in ghosts...or aliens"...


It's a matter of respect, baby....

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I once dated a Morman girl. I'm an atheist for life. She said she was ok with that. It was fine for about 4 months. Then it started, "You should come to church with me', 'You should talk to my minister'. It was down hill from there and fast. We broke up a couple months later.

I feel for you. Sorry to hear it.

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If she knew your beliefs, and tried to railroad you into believing something else anyway, then obviously she doesn't accept who you are or respect your differences.
You're better off.

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Shitty way to break up. But I guess at least she didn't spring this on you after you were married.

So then...What if YOU said..."Well, I can't be with you, unless you stop believing in God"?....That's just as lame as telling someone you can't be with them if they DON'T believe in God...A god...A goddess...Many gods...No god....whatever...



We all have our own reasons for what we do or do not believe in...What the hell is wrong with THAT?...You cannot FORCE someone to believe something that they don't...and why would anyone wan't to try?


You CAN influence a person to believe something IF you show them PROOF that what they believe in is wrong, and present them with FACTS to show that your belief is correct...

For example:

Little girl: I saw the Easter Bunny yesterday
Teenaged big sister: No you didn't
Little girl: Yes I did...He was at the mall
Teenaged big sister: No, that was a guy in a costume
Little girl: NO!...It was the Easter Bunny!
Teenaged big sister: Rabbits don't walk on two legs, they can't carry baskets, and they don't grow 5 feet tall
Little Girl: So? The Easter Bunny is different...He's MAGIC...And I will always believe in him

Next day...At the mall...

Teenaged big sister: *removes Easter Bunny's head*...See?
Little girl: *looks at dude with little dude head on big bunny body*...Oh...There is no Easter Bunny


Unfortunately...It isn't that easy with religion...Just TRY pulling the pope's head off...heh....I know, the pope isn't considered any kinda deity or anything...But, it was still a funny thought :D


Since there really is NO proof that there is or is not a god, goddess, gods, whatever...We form our OWN beliefs based pretty much on our own feelings, experiences and interpretations...Like I said, very PERSONAL....Definitely NOT something someone else should try to influence us to change...Cuz, I believe that's called...umm...uhhh...what was that again?...hmm...Oh Yeah...

BRAINWASHING

Does she think she should decide what kinda music you should listen to, what kinda foods you SHOULD like to eat, what color underwear you should wear...etcetera?:rolleyes:


I mean seriously...At what point in ANY relationship, is it okay or even necessary to tell your partner how to THINK and how to FEEL?

Man, I don't want to sound callous or insensative but...18 in a year!?! Goddamn!! That's crazy. Where ever you're finding them, DON'T go there no more. Goddamn!!

Whoa....sounds like you should take a break for a while....good relationships usually fall in your lap when you aren't looking....
18? Really?:eek:

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Religion has always been a source of distress for me over the years. I've had friends, and girlfriends who did not approve of what I choose to believe or choose not to.

The fact is, it's a personal thing. I would rather not have anyone know too much about what I believe, that only gives them the power to lump me with people I have nothing in common with. Only a select few really know about me and thats really how it should be.

Rayne knows everything there is to know about me but as far as her religious views, I know very little about where she stands and to be honest I don't care. Religion is not something that should make or break a relationship.

Anyone who holds that much stock in an "IDEA" isn't someone to be with, plain and simple.

I am a religious person. I am a Christian, and I'm not going to change that. I really try not to be judgmental of people that don't believe the same things that I do, and I try not to force my beliefs on others. Only one time did I freak out on someone because of religion. My friend is a catholic whose dad is terminally ill, and (the dad) is a priest. One night we got reeeeeally drunk and my friend started saying he didn't believe in God. I thought this was just ridiculous. He didn't believe in God anymore because his priest dad was dying. For some reason, that personally offended me and we got in a yelling, crying argument about it.

If we would have been dating, we would have broken up because of religion that night. But what your girl did to you is kind of extreme....

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Church always seemed unnecessary to me too. As long as I'm practicing my religion on my own time, God should be fine with that. right?

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I have given up on god.He is an ass...Now,i dont know what the hell i am.But its not religous.I feel tons better too.

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Because,I looked back on my life and realized that it fucking sucked,but with god it was suppossed to be better.But,I was with him for a long time and nothing changed...so i said fuck it.

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Amen to that!

I consider myself a Christian because of my beliefs. I don't go to church. I was turned off by that a long time ago. I have my own personal relationship with the God I believe in.

I don't put other's down for their beliefs, although I'm always interested in hearing about them, as long as they don't try to ram their beliefs down my throat. And I can talk openly about what I believe and I won't try to ram my beliefs down their throat. Hell, I probably get more defiant about other topics than I do my spiritual beliefs, because I agree that a person's spiritual beliefs are a very personal thing between them and whatever Deity they believe in.

I personally don't understand athiests, I think people need to believe in something, but it's not my place to judge them or tell them what they should or shouldn't believe in.

Just my 2 cents.

I've always wondered about that...If God is omnipotent (all powerful) and omnipresent (everywhere at the same time)...Then why do people insist that you go to church to worship him?...It seems kinda pointless to me....I mean seriously, you don't take someone whose already where you are, to some place else just to hang out with them, then take them back to where you're going again...Know what I mean?

I thought this forum was about.. How paris hilton is thought of as a hollywood A-lister now. But it's just about some loser who has been dumped 18 times this year

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What sucks about your life?

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Childhood,never got better after that.I'm not going to go into details...bad memories.

You thought of....Paris Hilton?
This has to be a joke.
Nobody could possibly be that lame.
I think.

Oh Yeah...You just reminded me of another point...

I've been to churches, and it seems to me that people are WAY too interested in what you're wearing and how you look...Those people seem very stuck up to me...And there is SOOO much gossip...Aren't those things considered 'non-Christian'?...I thought the purpose of going to church (at least, the only purpose I could come up with), was so that people could worship, and share a belief...You know, come together because of something they have in common, not separate themselves into categories of who's better than whom, and point out their differences...

They seem extremely judgemental to me, even though the message of Christ is supposed to be that we are all 'brothers' and we are supposed to accept each other, and be forgiving of everything...."Love the sinner, hate the sin"...Also, the word 'Christian' means 'Christ-like', the bible says that God looks at a person's heart (what's on the inside) and man is concerned with appearances (what's on the outside)...So, if a Christian is supposed to 'be like Christ' why do they care so much about how you look and how you dress?...Isn't that contradictory to their own beliefs, and what they call themselves?....And, isn't that the definition of hypocrisy?

.....I just don't get it....

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fair enough. I gave up belief because a stary cat got into my rubbish bin and spilled some rubbish. i mean if there was a god. he wouldn't let such a bad thing happen. My life sucks too. I might go kill myself. Where's my gun? O here it is my, my shotgun was in my pants. O no that's my dick .

To me it sounds like you may be giving other people a lot more power over your life than they should have. You don't believe in anything, partly because you don't want to get into a conflict with others? Fuck other people and believe in whatever you want.

I understand about the hell thing though. But my personal belief is that God knows me better than I do, he made me, so he knows why I do the things I do and I think he understands me and loves me anyway. That's another reason why I don't go to church, I think my beliefs are more open minded than most in the Christian churches, but that's none of their business and I don't want to hear them try to 'advise' me on things I've already thought about and come to terms with. I guess you could call me an off-beat Christian. My beliefs are based in Christianity, but I'm open to other things too. I'm too curious and fascinated by the universe to not be interested in what it has to offer.

Agnostics, I do understand. They tend to believe there is something out there greater than ourselves, but don't know exactly what it is. The dictionary defines it like this:
An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist.

OK, I guess that's now my 4 cents worth. :)

You kinda just described HDC (he-he) :) The church of HDC! j/k :p

And I totally agree with you on the judgemental stuff. :rolleyes:

lol...Wu's back

And I second, third, fourth, fifth, and exponential-eth that...:D

To infinity :p

Religion is the cyanide of the masses!!!!

I personally don't like religion. There have been soooo many wars fought over the disaggreeement of one religion vs. another. And even different interpretataions of the same religion. I do believe in spirituality, which again, is an internal personal thing that you may or may not share beliefs with other people. I just wish that people (not all do this but enough of 'em do) would just respect other peoeple's beliefs and opinions and stop being so nasty about it. A good rousing conversation can be interesting and sometimes enlightening, but there's no reason to be so fucking evil about it. (The World according to Kathy) :)