Question Concerning Animals in Horror films
 

I am just curious, but has any but my self noticed that it seems that they cant make a horror movie any more unless it has got to have some animal getting killed in it?

not really true in the slightest bit, there are very few films with real animal killing in it, men behind the sun, cannibal holocaust and ferox, may be a few others but thats pretty much it. while i do have to admit it bothers me greatly, and for that reason i refuse to watch men behind the sun, because i have a passion for cats.

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well I can think of several
jaws
cujo
the ring
the grudge
the remake of antiville
mans best friend
Far to many for me to even remember
orca
Black beauty
Hell even lassie had scenes where a Mountain lion got shot
The other ( think thats the title) involved a kid shooting a dog with a home made bow)
Aligator
Deal alive
x-files
The Blob
The Simpsons (non Horror)
Family Guy (non Horror)
American Dad (non Horror)
That 70s show (non Horror)
Hell even lassie had scenes where a Mountain lion got shot.

Theres a crap load more of them but I cant remember I simply got to the point if it has, I get up and shut it off.

I think these writers need to learn that theres a very fine line between scareing someone to Death and grossing them out
what would be nice is to have a rating for animals being harmed
in movies Something like AH involves scenes that involve animal harm.

You forgot Old Yeller.

The animals have to be killed.

The animals in The Simpsons are not real.

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jeez, next you'll say we can't kill any people anymore.



ps
people really die in the movies, they just bring out their clone to star in the next movie :eek:


pps
the world is actually flat, the myth that it is round is perpetuated by hippies and communists

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is this really necessary?

also, there's a difference in an animal being in a movie and it getting killed. blowing up a robot shark at the end of Jaws is a bit different than showing natives behead an alligator.

also, you seem to be saying that "these days" people can't make a movie without killing an animal, but the movies you list span several decades.

anywho. not trying to be a dick. just trying to get you to be more specific and back your point up a bit better.

by the way...the robot shark in Jaws wanted to be blown up. Andthey didn't waste aything. After filming, the blown up robot was eaten. By other robots

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Not really, when Jaws first came out it caused
such a panic well lets just say that there was
a whole lot more shark hunting
due to that movie.

Now as far as The simpsons
sure that's only a cartoon
but its being watched by very young minds
who think man lets do that to our cat!
and regardless what the rating is the simple fact is
Its a cartoon and kids watch cartoons.

Most people who do abuse animals
in real life most likely learned it off TV


Now as far as movies such as Jaws Anaconda
and all the other Snake Shark and alligator as well
Giant crocodile movies I can see it to a point when
they were playing the main villain.

But I am mainly referring to innocent animals
getting nocked off for no reason

such as in the remake of The Amityville Horror (2005)

here a dog was trying to give warning
and for its reward it gets a axe in the head!

Now here is what you need to ask why would a writer wish
to add something like that to a movie answer: cause he watched
shows like the simpsons when he was a kid.


The purpose of a Horror movie is to Scare people
not Gross them out! there a very fine line between the two.

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Right, and people kill because of video games.

So, to clarify, you're talking about animals being killed off in the story--you're not talking about actual living animals being killed during the making of the movie. This disturbs you. And you feel these scenes promote a hatred of animals. Well, I don't know what to say to that...except to say that, you've brought up the classic debate of whether our media affects us and to what degree.

I always felt that the answer was somewhere in the middle...nebulous. That is to say, I don't believe watching violent films, for example, automatically makes a person violent. However, to claim that imagery and stories have no effect on people at all is also unbelievable...we watch and buy our media precisely because it has an effect--we react to it. So in my opinion, the answer isn't something that can be pinned down, but I think it is valuable to discuss it.

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Don't say ''regardless what the rating'', the rating is there for a reason, to let parents know if the content maybe inappropriate for kids. If the parents ignore this warning then it's their fault.


Contrary to your belief, kids watching the Simpsons isn't the root of all evil.

I've grew up watching Tom & Jerry, Bugs Bunny and countless 80's catoons that where violent. I've never once hurt or killed an animal, in fact I'm a vegetarion. Are you? If not, animals die for you every day. I don't care if you are or not and I'm not trying to preach, but it seems a little bit hypocritical to worry about animals that die in movies(even though they don't really die, there are strick rule about these things), then go out and have a hamburger.
I'm always amazed at things like this, as the brutal death of people is fine, but a dog...

As a writer i can tell you a single simple reason why about 99% of innocent animals are killed in a movie:

To make the killer completely despicable. Killing a person is rather commonplace in movies, but killing an animal in one is an ultimate act of evil . Animals are most often portrayed (like kids) as innocents, and as a result, are a great tool for manipulating the audience.

Look at Dog Soldiers as an example of both. Cooper is the good guy. He not only refuses to shoot the dog at the beinning of the movie, he also pets and looks after Sam later on. Ryan, on the other hand, is the bad guy. he not only kills the dog at the beginning, he tries to kill Sam a couple of times. It is nothing more than influencing the audience, which is all a movie is trying to do anyway.

And not to sound too much like a jerk, but get over it. The Simpsons is a cartoon, so is Southpark. And Family guy, and American dad, Anime, etc. Like austin said, if the parents arent watching what their kids watch, then it's their fault if the kids end up warped.

Hell yes, this kind of imagery can affect people. I saqw Alien at 5, and it stuck with me my whole life. However, due to my upbringing, i am not out performing chest operations on unwilling subjects, i mertely have a strong love of sci fi, horror and monster movies in general.

By the way, if you take antibiotics to get rid of a bug you have, if you use antibacterial soap to kill the germs on your hands, you're killing animals.

why do you say that? :confused:

I dunoo...seemed relevant to the topic in some vague way.

lol! ok i hear ya !:D

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To make the killer completely despicable. Killing a person is rather common place in movies, but killing an animal in one is an ultimate act of evil . Animals are most often portrayed (like kids) as innocents, and as a result, are a great tool for manipulating the audience

Oh well if you really want to do that
just show little kids getting tore apart
piece by piece with the full bloodie details!

Then you really will have a completely Despicable killer!
Hmmm Not to meation a lot of people vomiting there guts all over the place.

I mean if your going to go out for evil
Hell go all the way!

Never EVER, say that in my presence.

What Vod said anyway...

yeah all the way ! wooo hooo!:p

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If they showed a kid being torn apart they would lose their budget, get the fuck sued out of them if that kind of thing ever got into theatres. Next thing you know you're gonna bitch about it why anyone has to die in a horror movie, you're one of those lonely people who have nothing to do but protest things that have nothing to do with you at all, aren't you?

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Germs arent animals, they are either protozoans, bacteria or viruses. So endeth Mr Anal Technical Guy's lesson.

It's all about context and manipulation. In the dog soldiers example, there werent any little kids to be torn apart into bloodie (:rolleyes: ) pieces. and there is a huge gulf between the quiet nutcase next door and Pol Pott.

I hop eyou are just acting over-sensitive to someone criticizing what you said (and trying to be constructive, i might add), but your suggestion is like saying "well, why dont we just nerve gas and nuke the entire middle east? that would stop them from fighting!"

Calm down. Fluffy wasnt really hurt, that is what the disclaimer at the end of the credits is for. Dont be one o fthose "this offends me a little so the whole world should stop doing it" people.

i think we have a animal rights activist own our hands!

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Dude.....germs are animals!

Dude.......okay, well, maybe they're not. But they sure look like animals, that's fer sure.

Dont mess with me man... i'll flip ya. Flip ya for real...

10 points to whoever knows what movie that is from.

I've seen it, I just don't remember what the hell movie it was. Xanadu?

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Ohh I see
if it involves a animal
getting hurt that's ok

but when it involves a kid being taken apart then that's
all together a whole different story.

Well like you said
Its only a Movie no one is really getting hurt :)

Ya see the point is pretty much the same when you think about it
Just as there are no people that would not want to see a Kid taken apart,There are those of us that feels the same way when it comes to seeing animals harmed for absolutely no other reason then just cause the writer decides to make his villain more despicabale and evil.

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I'd be fine with both. Look at Battle Royale or the original Assault on Preceinct 13. Kids die too, even in movies.

If we took out everything that offended everybody, then there wouldn't be any movies to watch, don't you think?

But goodness knows I am one of the biggest supporters of cute animals here. I respect all the squirrels, rats, cats, bunnies and dogs in the world.

And you can't get more cute than this:

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Again, to give you the benefit of the doubt, ill assume you are just being argumantative for the sake of discusiion....

the idea IS to get you upset.Everyone should, on some level, get pissed off when an animal character is harmed in a movie. Animals are innocents, unless they happen to be the villain themselves. in many cases, they go the animal route because it is just as evil as harming a kid, but less overall upsetting to some degree. (in general)

BUT, the idea is to get you riled up. Hell, in the Rod Warrior, i dont know a single person who car3ed what happened to the weirtd little wolf kid (or maybe Dingo Kid, it was australia..), btu when the dog was killed, people were out for blood. i had one friend who came completely unglued.

Now, a couple more points:

To reiterate, they arent really hurting a living being, it is a not-real character. Yes, animals can be characters too. A tree is character given the right context (there's that "c" word again...)

Second, if the artificial, not real and totally fake animal cruelty in mvoes disturbs you that much, i woudll recommend:

A) Watching mosstly old Disney movies, but not lassie or fox and the hound.

B) Find the number of a good therapist and have some long loong talks about your feelings.

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We are not supposed to talk about Adult Moition Picture here. That is for another forum THANK YOU

if you wanna see people really DIE, rent the faces of death!

Okay, i have been holding off on asking this but....


You dont support or belong to PETA do you, Methen?

Of course, you ghave (at this point) 5 posts to your name, and you are already getting snippy, so i will assume that your are either someone who usually post here under another name being an ass, or sommeone who joins forums to shart shit.

Please prove me wrong on both.

I'm a vegetarion. Are you?
( Yes I am:)

Is that like vegetable carrion?

A carrot buzzard. I never knew they existed.