The Problem with Michael Myers
 

Ok, Halloween is a good series. Well, 3-6 was kind of crap, but for the most part the movies are good. I like the style Myers has with being in a room about 10 feet from you as you walk by and don't even see him. Usually they don't play any sound effects or music at the time that they show him, and I like that much better than some kind of loud effect at the time.

But, the problem with Myers is that they have never explained why he can survive EVERYTHING. He is a guy who is a lunatic. We get that much so far, but why does that mean that he can suddenly survive shotgun blasts (his clothes never rip either, did you notice?), throw human beings far distances, and other odd things he does. Jason, Freddy, Candyman, Pinhead....they've all been explained.

Jason: Living Dead with regenerative ability
Freddy: Possessed by Demons
Candyman: He's basically a ghost
Pinhead: Dur.
Michael Myers: Input Text Here

They tried to answer it in part 6, but that didn't hold water and the movie wasn't that great. I'd like to see some explination of why he can do the stuff he can do.

Also, the one handed pull up thing is getting old already. Once was great!....twice was like they couldn't think of anything else to do. I'd like to know where his legs go when he does the pull up though. Wouldn't they be dangling down below him?

Any, blah.

MICHAEL MYERS IS POSESSED JUST LIKE FREDDY.

IT'S CALLED THE CURSE OF THE THORN WHICH IS A CONSTALATION IN THE SKY THAT SHOWS UP ON HALLOWEEN AND I'M NOT TO UPDATED ON THE CURSE OF MICHAEL MYERS (PART 6) HAVE'NT SEEN IT IN AWHILE BUT THE SOMETHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE CURSE MAKES HIM GO AFTER HIS FAMILY. THAT'S WHY HE CAN SURVIVE EVERYTHING CAUSE HE'S POSESSED THAT SHOULD ALSO EXPLAIN THE SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH YOU ASKED ABOUT. HE'S NOT JUST A ''LUNATIC'' HE'S BASICALLY A DEMON. AND IF YOU WATCH THE CURSE OF MICHAEL MYERS AND REALLY PAY ATTENTION YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND IT CAUSE IT TOOK ME AWHILE TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. MYERS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED YOU JUST DID'NT UNDERSTAND IT THAT'S ALL.

I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT PINHEAD.

CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THE BOX IS ALL ABOUT?

First, that movie is treated like Friday the 13th part 8: like it never happened. I saw that movie. I have it on tape, I went to the theater and saw it, and it comes on Starz about ever other night now. I've seen it.

Michael Myers has always been based around the idea that he is a lunatic. The Thorn thing wasn't brought up until part 5, and never discussed until part 6. From what they have said, they talked about a child being selected to be sacrificed by didn't talk about him being possessed, and if so never meantioned what he was possessed by. A druid curse doesn't mean you live forever unless it states that you live forever. H20 and Resurrection (Homecoming) acted as if 3-6 never happened, so if that is the case, anything from part 6 can not be considered in an explination for Myers.

The box is used as a gateway. It is used kind of like a Quija board would but it only calls them. Have you seen part 4? That is Bloodline. If you haven't check that one out. They explain the point of the box in that one, but in part 2 they explain what happened to the guy that became Pinhead. He played with the box and was taken just like Frank and the others, but he was turned into a Cenobite. I'm not sure why he is the leader though.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT YOU GOTTA REALIZE THAT AFTER THE CURSE OF MICHAEL MYERS H2O AND RESURRECTION ARE COMMERCIAL MOVIES AKKAD IS'NT WORRING ABOUT MAKING A HORROR MOVIE HE'S WORRING ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

LOOK AT THE FACTS ALL GOOD SLASHER MOVIES CONSIST OF:

A CAST OF UNKNOWN ACTORS WHO'S ONLY PURPOSE IS TO GET HACKED UP AND ONE OR TWO B RATED ACTORS TO CARRY THE MOVIE.

STUPID TEENAGERS.

ONE OR TWO HOT SHOT ASSHOLES WHO THINK THEY'RE GODS GIFT TO WOMEN WHO EVERYBODY LOVES TO SEE GET KILLED.

SOME LITTLE KID WHO NOBODY LISTENS TO UNTIL THEY HAVE A KNIFE IN THIER THROAT.

CHEESY SPECIAL EFFECTS

A GOOD DIRECTOR MAKING UP FOR A WEAK SCRIPT

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST A RUTHLESS AND RELENTLESS KILLER.

H20 HAS A CAST FULL OF VERY WELL KNOWN ACTORS(JOSH HARTNETT-THE CUTE CHICK FROM DAWSON'S CREEK-JAMIE LEE CURTIS-LL COOL J) THEY DID'NT SPEND MONEY ON A GOOD DIRECTOR TO MAKE UP FOR WHAT WAS A WEAK SCRIPT.

RESSUECTION ALSO HAD A BIG CAST OF PEOPLE AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUSTA RHYMES BEAT THE HELL OUTTA MICHAEL MYERS AND THAT'S AFTER HE WALKED UP TO HIM AND GOT PUNKED I MEAN SERIOULY THOSE LAST TWO WERE JUST MONEY MAKERS THEY WERE'NT WORRING ABOUT STICKING TO THE STORY THEY WERE TRING TO MAKE MONEY I'M SURE THAT NEXT YEAR WILL BE NO DIFFERENT WHEN THE 9TH ONE COMES OUT.

But, that still doesn't affect what I said. The reasons for making the movies don't matter. Ever since part 8 of Friday the 13th, they have acted like the one before each sequel never happened. That is why I don't go with the theory they gave in part 9.

Josh Harrnet wasn't well known at the time of that movie by the way. H2O had a bette script than part 5 did actually. I just finished watchng 5 about a half an hour ago (for probably the 10th time), and the story for it and 4 sucked. 6 had problems in it as well, but mostly because of the screwy backstory they give to Michael. They need to stick with one idea. That is the only problem I've ever had with the series. They keep screwing with his backstory.

Oh, and Donald Pleasance was a big name from start to finish. That and I had no idea who that girl from Dawsons Creek was because I've never seen the show. It occured to me one day when I read something about the movie though.

Sorry to butt into your discusion but, I would like to say somthing..........ahem.........
MICHAEL MYERS SUCKS!! The only "Halloween" movie I liked was the one WITHOUT MIKE!:mad:

Ok, I think both of us will agree that we don't agree with you. Thank you for giving us some middle ground lol.

Now...explain why he sucks.

He is so incredably BORING!!!! ANY of the other classic killers could blow him away like a feather!!! "and I'm actualy giving Jason some credit here, when his movies are also boring" Plus we really nead Michael Myers anyway, Jason is basicaly the same only with a MUCH better story line!

If they are boring, what isn't?

Sailor Moon? ;)

haha

How bout Freddy,Wish Master, IT, Pinhead, Ash"Evil Dead".....Zombies are always good....etc.

deepink i partly agree with you dave, although they did do the breathing thing with Mike sometimes, like at the end of the first one. I do like Mike as a villian however, he is one of my favorites but one thing still baffles me about him... why did he kill his sis in the first place? :confused:

"Of course he had a gun! This is Texas, everyone has a gun. My florist has a gun!" Kathy Morningside, Miss Congenality

Jason is a zombie by all definition of a horror movie zombie. Those other movies are good, but I don't see how they would be any more exciting than Halloween.

I'm not sure what you mean by the breathing thing. Mike is pretty good as a villian. I like him, but I wish they would explain him a little better and leave the backstory as one idea. I've always wondered the samething though, about his sis. And what happened to Laurie's parents?

The only problem I see with Michael Myers is that H20 and Resurrection were actually produced.

Have you seen the first or seecond Halloween?
 

The answer to your question about Michael is CLEARLY answered in parts 1 and 2. Dr. Loomis refers to MM as "pure evil" on numerous occasions. Mike is the Devil incarnate. He IS evil. Watch them again.

And Kawaiidragonfoe, Mike killed his sister because she had sex. Plain and simple.

I love this dude, tell me, do you love to share your micheal wisdom?
lol I saw this topic and thought, yeah, when AUSTIN316426808 sees this he's gonna type a book:D

AND THIS IS A EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE I LIKE THEY JUST COME ON THE FORUM AND SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY WITHOUT WORRING ABOUT GETTING RIPPED ABOUT IT...

AND WITH THAT SAID YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAUSE YOU JUST SAID WISHMASTER IS BETTER THAN HALLOWEEN WHICH TELLS ME YOU DON'T KNOW TO MUCH ABOUT HORROR CAUSE YOU COULD'NT GET WES CRAVEN HIMSELF TO SAY THAT WISHMASTER IS BETTER THAN HALLOWEEN AS A MATTER OF FACT YOU COULD'NT GET ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT HORROR LOVING MIND TO SAY THAT BULLSHIT. YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO ADMIT IT'S STATUS THAT STATUS BEING THE BEST SLASHER MOVIE MADE AND HIGHLY REGARDED AS MANY AS THE BEST HORROR MOVIE OF ALL-TIME I'M NOT SAYING IT IS I'M JUST SAYING IT'S REGARDED BY MANY TO BE. AND MANY ARE'NT MY COUSIN AND MY BEST FRIEND I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WITH STEPHEN KING CREDIBILITY. AND YOU ALSO PUT IT ON YOUR LIST. ON A LIST WHERE YOU'RE SAYING MOVIES THAT ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE BORING YOU PUT ONE OF THE LONGEST MOST OUTDRAWN FILMS OF ALL-TIME THAT ONCE AGAIN TELLS ME YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT AND WISHMASTER HAVE NO BUISNESS BEING MENTIONED IN THE SAME DISCUSSION AS HALLOWEEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR CLAM WITH NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, EVIL DEAD, FRIDAY THE 13TH AND AS FOR ZOMBIE MOVIES NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A GOOD CLAM BUT OTHER THAN THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS POINTLESS CAUSE HALLOWEEN IS A FAR MORE ENTERTAINING FILM THAT WISHMASTER AND AS FOR IT YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

so if myers is a demon like u say does that mean if we saw him w/o his mask he would llook like a freak (ex. jason)?

I DO LOVE TALKING ABOUT HALLOWEEN CAUSE I LOVE THE MOVIE AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM DISCUSSING AND TALKING ABOUT IT WITH SOMEONE SUCH AS YOURSELF OR DAVE BASICALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT UNLIKE WHOEVER THIS GIRL THINKS SHE IS COMING ON HERE SAYING MICHAEL MYERS SUCKS.THAT'S HER OPINION I RESPECT HER OPINION...I RESPECT ANYBODY'S OPINION UNTIL YOU SAY SOME SHIT LIKE WISHMASTER AND IT ARE BETTER FILMS THAT JUST MAKES ME MAD AS HELL WHEN SOMEONE DOES'NT RESPECT THE FILM FOR WHAT IT IS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST HORROR FILMS EVER MADE. EVERBODY ON THIS FORUM THAT I'VE ARGUED WITH ABOUT HALLOWEEN BEING THE BEST, OR HOW I HATE HELLRAISER WITH A PASSION, I'M SURE YOU NOTICE THAT THE ARGUEMENT GOES ON AND ON UNTIL THE PERSON CONCEEDS AND ADMITS THAT HALLOWEEN IS A CLASSIC HORROR FILM. AFTER YOU SAY THAT YOU CAN GO ON AND ON ABOUT HOW PINHEAD IS BETTER OR HOW YOU THINK MICHAEL IS BORING BUT UNTIL YOU SAY THAT HALLOWEEN IS A CLASSIC HORROR FILM I'M NOT GOING TO STOP DEFENDING WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST SLASHER GENRE FILM OF ALL-TIME NOT THE BEST HORROR MOVIE OF ALL-TIME BUT DEFINATELY THE BEST SLASHER FILM EVER. DON'T GET ME WRONG I THINK IT'S THE BEST MOVIE ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT THERE'S TO MANY THINGS OUT THERE THAT HALLOWEEN CAN'T EVEN COMPETE WITH I HATE TO SAY THAT BUT IT'S TRUE.

BASICALLY. BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A DEMON DOES'NT MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE A FREAK IT MOST LIKELY MEANS THAT BUT IT IS'NT LIKE A RULE OR ANYTHING.

AND BY THE WAY THE CHARACTOR IS CALLED A JINN NOT A WISHMASTER IF YOU'RE GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING GET YOU STUFF STR8.

WOW! you really need to calm down!!!!! Guess what, I'm not gonna give up & if you think that the reason the other people did was because you made them "see the light" then YOU'RE DEAD WRONG! They only agreed with you to make you SHUT UP! I never said said that it wasn't a classic, I just said that all of the other classics were BETTER, out of all of them I CONSIDER Halloween to be THE MOST BORING ONE! and I JUST DON'T LIKE IT! You may not like the movie s that I choose but I DO, and that was MY REPLY I never said that you had to agree with me! and I never said that I wasn't alone in that opinion, my own mother loves Halloween.

BTW I never force my opinion on others "unlike you"

Oh boo hoo, I'm human, big deal! Sorry if I don't have a perfect memory like your freaky obsessive ass does:rolleyes:

I DON'T NEED TO CALM DOWN I'M JUST DEFENDING MY FAVORATE MOVIE THAT'S ALL. AND I DON'T THINK I MADE THE OTHER FEW PEOPLE GIVE UP AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU GIVE UP I JUST THOUGHT YOU LIKE THE OTHERS WERE JUST SAYING HALLOWEEN IS TRASH NOW IF YOU THINK THAT THAT'S FINE BUT AS LONG AS YOU ADMIT THAT IT IS A CLASSIC I'M FINE I DON'T TRY TO FORCE MY OPINIONS ON ANYBODY I JUST TRY TO DEFEND MY MOVIES THAT'S ALL IF I OFFENDED YOU AT ALL MY BAD. I MEAN I HATE HELLRAISER I HAVE'NT BEEN ON HERE FOR AWHILE AT LEAST SINCE BEFORE MY LAST FEW POST ON THIS THREAD AND YOU MUST'VE GOT REGISTERED SOMETIME DURING THAT PERIOD SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS I'VE POSTED BUT I HATE HELLRAISER WITH A PASSION AND MAYBE IT'S THE EXACT SAME REASON YOU DON'T LIKE HALLOWEEN BUT I STILL SAID ''I KNOW I KNOW IT'S A CLASSIC BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE IT'' AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW SO YOU CAN GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE SUBJECT CAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT IT'S BORING SO I RESPECT THAT I'LL CONTINUE TO POST AND OBVIOUSLY DISAGREE WITH YOU AT LEAST ON THIS SUBJECT BUT AS FAR AS I THINK YOU SAID ''I'M NOT GIVING UP'' I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU GIVE UP YOUR OPINION I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU KNEW WHAT THE HELL YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT I MIGHT HAVE WENT OFF A LITTLE CAUSE LIKE I SAID BEFORE I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WELL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND SAY SHIT LIKE ''I THOUGHT LEPRECHAUN WAS THE BEST MOVIE I EVER SAW UNTIL I SAW RAG DOLL'' YOU KNOW SHIT LIKE THAT BUT NOW THAT I KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOUR OPINION AND NOT JUST SOME BULLSHIT FROM SOMEBODY WHO DOES'NT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN WE'RE KOOL.

BOO HOO

FREAK OBSESSIVE ASS

THAT'S FUNNY AS HELL I LIKE THAT.

Wow you like to type alot don't you? I just want you to know that just because I'm young doesn't mean that I'm "just saying stuff" I never say something that I don't mean...I've grown up watching horror movies and I know witch ones put me to sleep lol!

I forgive you :D :cool:

KOOL.

why do we need explaination???
 

halloween is my favorite of all time and michael scares the crap out of me! the music, and the subtle lighting when bringing him out of the shadows. donald pleasance so sells the story here and w/o him the 1st movie would've been kind of a drag since there wasn't much action. IMO there is no problem w/ michael. he's the boogie man. how can you explain why evil exists? it just does. yeah, in reality a normal man couldn't withstand being shot and blown up (but this is a movie after all) and i believe the main reason he's been so resilliant (hope i spelled that correctly) is b/c mustapha akkad can still make money on him. Carpenter killed him off at the end of two and may be that's where it should've ended but i love him so much, i'm glad he came back ;)
i love the fact that he's robotic and has no need to run b/c he knows he'll catch up. the mask is scary and he shows no emotion-except for the occassional head tilt. he's AWESOME! WHEW! sorry.

Re: why do we need explaination???
 

I LOVE YOU.

YOU JUST GOT HERE IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER THREADS OR JUST READ THIS ONE YOU'LL GET IT. I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

Re: why do we need explaination???
 

I'M SORRY BUT I JUST CAN'T GET OVER THIS. IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL.

ARGH!
 

H20 AND RESURRECTION ARE NOT A PART OF THE HALLOWEEN SERIES AT ALL IMO!! JUST A WAY FOR SCUMMY HOLLYWOOD TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A WONDERFULLY CLASSIC IDEA AND RUN IT INTO THE GROUND! IT WAS AWFUL BOTH OF THEM! I CONSIDER H20 TO BE A RE-MAKE OF THE CLASSIC HALLOWEEN AND JAMIE LEE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF FOR BEING A PART OF IT AND RESURRECTION WAS A SEQUEL TO H20. THERE IS NO HALLOWEEN W/O DONALD PLEASANCE. IT'S JUST SOME DORK RUNNING AROUND IN A PSUEDO WANNA BE MICHAEL MASK! THEY STINK!

Re: ARGH!
 

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER. I COULD'NT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.THIS GIRL/GUY(SORRY LESLIE IS A GIRL AND BOY NAME DID'NT WANT TO GUESS WRONG) REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE/SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.

Re: ARGH!
 

I agree that Pleasance was a dynamic part of the series and the movies without him are majorly lacking.

:)
 

leslie is a girl! and i know TONS about Michael Myers b/c he's my favorite and b/c of him carpenter has become a favorite of mine. now, i consider 1&2 to be the same movie though obviously carpenter did not direct the second picture, only helped to write/produce it. (no one needs a history lesson, i'm sure) one is beautiful b/c of the subtle way he plants michael at crucial points in the film and an origin is created for michael. two was great b/c it was all tied together into one neat little package plus there was a ton more action than the first part and that hospital was damn scary. i know that if i ran into michael in a dark alley i'd be scared sh*tless and at that point you may as well just lay down b/c you're already dead. he's intense and to quote a line from the terminator, "he absolutely will not stop, until you are dead!" nah, there's no problem w/ mike! ;) 4,5,6 are just dessert for me. see a little more of the guy i love!

Re: :)
 

YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO STOP JUST KEEP IT COMING IT GETS BETTER AND BETTER EVERYTIME.

Re: Have you seen the first or seecond Halloween?
 

Yeah, I watched them and he says that in all of them but it seems more like his opinion than fact for the movie.