Smart People Who Have Seen "Saw 2"
 

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the tape was talking about the combination to the safe and he said "Over The Rainbow" now if what i think it means is true there were 8 people in the room and 1 wasn't playing so it was 7 players in the game and there are 7 colors of the rainbow and all the numbers are different colors, so the order of the numbers on the safe would be the order for the colors of the rainbow

am i right, or did i miss the explination to this?

How would you corispond the colors of the rainbow to the numbers? I mean in that case wouldn't be as simple as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7? I'm not sure on how the combination would be achieved basied on this. But I think your on to something.

there were different numbers on the people's necks and they were different colors and there is an order to the colors of the rainbow so the numbers were probably in order of the colors of the rainbow

I couldn't see the colors very well, but I remeber the black guy had a white number, but the rest of the numbers were all dark colors to me, I'd have to watch it again and pay attention.

i think the black guy's number was supposed to be yellow

I think you are right about the order of the rainbow. On the other hand I think the filmmakers themselves might have gotten lost with all the different ways to throw you off track. Also, the gas didnt seem to affect the kid and that girl from the first saw, what was up with that.

Really, the kid was choughing, and his eyes were blood shot. Just because he wasn't choughing up blood doesn't mean he wasn't affected. Now, the girl (Amanda I think), obviusly she wasn't affected. But you know, the kid probably wasn't affected b/c they needed him to servive for the game Jigsaw was playing with the cop.

the girl probably was awake the whole time and just gave herself the antidote after the gas leaked, i have no idea why the boy survived though

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So the boy would live, so that they could get his dad in on it at the end.

Heres a thought, there was no nerve gas in the house. It was all psychological.

You know if you make yourself think that your sick or getting sick, you become sick.

but it was a delayed tape, so he could have died anyway and the father still would have come

Not to bash your theory, I can see your reasoning but consider this.

Why was everyones eyes turning red, and coughing up blood. How about the young girl who remeber the guy who brought them all there. She started to get weak and then she died on the floor. I understand that an emotional situation can cause the brain to react in a certain way but I don't think that a stressful situation could cause 6 people (not count Amanda) to display all of the same sympotms: coughing up blood, red eyes, fatgue. From the way some of them were walking I might say vertigo, maybe not true vertigo but boarder line.

No, his theory could make sense.

I did a study on the psychology of the whole "making yourself sick", and if you know you could get a sickness, and think hard enough on it, your body will react in the sick way, even secreting bloody coughing and red eyes.

That said, I don't think that was the case.

Interesting, I've read things about the mind actually having more control over certain body functions than we think. My A&P professor told me that in a disease state the mind can think themselves well.

Now the people in the movie were at a slight disadvantage, they were not affected by a disease but a gas, and plus they were in a streeful situation so now that I think about some of the various hormonal responses to stress I agree with the possiblity of there not being a gas. I mean Jigsaw claims that he never kills anyone. If that is true then there couldn't have been a gas in the room. I mean in II he put the people in a house with the gas (if there was a gas) that could kill them, he released the gas. Therefore had Xavier not gone crazy, had one guy not been shot through the key hole, and the other guy incenerated the gas would have killed them and Jigsaw would have physicly killed them. If there wasn't a gas then what he says is true about him never killing anyone.

I don't think that's significant. Have you ever seen what black tattoos look like on dark skinned black people? You wouldn't be able to put it on camera and have anyone know wtf it was.

But in order to figure out the colors of the rainbow the tatoos would need to be different colors, and I don't think the numbers were tatoos but different colored markers or something.

It still doesn't matter that it's a gas instead of a disease. You could be in the snow and keep thinking about frost bite and you could start showing symptoms of frost bite, even when you don't have it.

Right, I just like to relate things to pathology as apose to chemistry. My favorite class in college so far has been Pathophysiology so I'm disease freek.

But back to the movie, do you think there was a gas?

Definately.

So then Jigsaw lied, he has killed people if there was a gas.
Right?

No. Everyone died of other things, and two lived. No one died from the gas.

That said, I don't agree with him when he says "putting them in these situations isn't murder." Bullshit. It's murder.

Alkytrio--------------You all seem to be forgetting that girl who DIED FROM THE GAS in the hallway. She used to play in 7th Heaven... She was shaking like crazy and then died in the other girl's arms. And I dont think that it was because it was psychological that she died. Plus, Jigsaw doesnt lie.

Conradicting yourself. If Jigsaw doesnt lie, the girl couldnt have died from the gas.

I don't know if it could have been psychological, Jigsaw never told them exactly what the gas did so they would all have had to thought of the same symptoms. Also, the girl died in the hallway before the two hours were up but she was screaming more then most and hyperventilated a couple times as well. The kid was the least effected (and probably got the antidote after he passed out) because he was the quietest really. Everybody else was screaming all the time and taking in more gas right? I just don't understand how that guy burned up when it was so obvious how he could have gotten out, guess he was just dumb, although I would've liked to know more about the charecters pasts.

I think they gave the kid the antidote in the first place. If he died, nothing would have worked.

Could the girl have given him the antidote since he was actually a big part of drawing the officer to that house?

Exactly, thats what I meant,

Did anyone notice, at the beginning of the movie when the Jigsaw is showing that guy the video of him putting the key behind his eye, that there is someone else in the room helping Jigsaw?

Guesses:
Amanda or the Dr. from the first Saw?

B/c they never really told us what happened to the Dr. that cut his foot off at the end.

Most likely it was Amanda and my apologies to The Return I wrote a post exactly like your I need to read more of the post to make sure I dont copy someone elses!

Holy crap! I love that theory...never even crossed my mind! That'd be a great twist for part 3.

The Doc makes PERFECT sense. I think the kid was followed so much by Amanda because he didn't have the antidote and I think she gave it to him at the end just before she pretended he passed away. Just my thought.

well - i don't know if i'm "smart" but - for my part, i found saw 2 a boring rip-off of cube and the only mildly interesting twist was the amanda character at the end - which wasn't that interesting.

IMHO, a waste of my matinee dollars - fortunately, the popcorn was quite tasty that afternoon - nice, warm and fresh.

I was the oposite....thought the movie was great [Havnt seen Cube], and the popcorn was below-average:p

The game Jigsaw made with the detective was if you sit here and talk to me, your son would be in a safe place. Jigsaw doesn't make a game and lie.

Yes, you obviously aren't smart.

damn - thanks for putting me straight -

i now have a more accurate opinion - Saw2 is the Ulysses of horror cinema

i feel so. . . enlightened. . .:rolleyes:

I dunno about the Doctor theory. Would he really help a man that had him convinced his wife and child were dead and put him in a situation where he sawed his own foot off? I mean, id be pretty pissed at that =P I just thought we were supose to assume he bled to death.

I don't think there was any gas, since Amanda and the boy didn't seem to me to be effected at all, he could have injected the rest with something that would produce those effects?(coughing blood etc)

But look at Amanda, she had a bear trap over her face. But she ended up joining Jigsaw. Granted your life being threatened vs. your family's lives is very different, but Dr. Gordon could have been changed or "saved" after his experience.

...except that Cube sucked ass and this was good...

So I'm glad it "ripped it off"...

So what did you think of the first Saw, I mean logiclly you wouldn't have seen the second one if you didn't like the first?