A Clockwork Orange (1971)
 

How about a little discussion about Alex and Co.?
Although A Clockwork Orange doesn't qualify as horror, it deserves a thread.
Any thoughts?

With due respect to the subject matter and the director (Kubrick), it definately belongs on a Horror board.

I didnt like it at all. Kubrick did a great job, as did Malcom Mcdowell. Everything was very well done, which is why i dont like it. Too much of the bad stuff for me.

Weird isnt it? I dislike it because it succeeds in telling it's story properly. I am glad to have seen it, though. Too many references in the Simpsons would be lost without it :)

I actually like the story, but I can't stand to watch the movie. I've seen it about three times and it disturbes the piss outa me.

Sure, wasn't there an episode in The Simpsons featuring Alex's torture - in a comical way, of course. I think it was the dog, Santa's Little Helper.

Yep, and for the 3rd halloween episode, bart was Alex for halloween, eye makeup and all.

The irony is, when they were totruring Santa's Little Helper, Mr Burns was trying to make him violent, not non-violent. :)

i remember reading that Kubrick's take on this film is that this was the same time frame as 2001 - what was happening on earth at the time that the space mission was taking place.

not Anthony Brugess's idea - just Kubrick - who is kind of famous for bending subject material to suit the way he thinks ..

Ah, that's it. Sure, was one of the Simpson's Halloween specials not taking the piss out of 'I Know What You Did Last Summer' - it was something to do with Ned Flanders.

Yeah, they hit him with a car and disposed of the body. Turns out they didnt kill him because he had just become a werewolf.

Kubrick was pretty good at adaption. its interesting how his movies made from book susually turned out to be more well known than the books themselves.

well if you think about it - thats really the norm...

movies are always better known .. they are in our face - advertised ..

whens the last time you saw a TV commercial for a book ?

the sad fact is that there aren't that many readers ... i'm surrounded by people who are in their 30's - 40's and havent read fiction since high schools.

the good thing is that the people who are readers - are avid readers ... readers are word junkies .. more rabid than film fans ..

Whats frustrating for me is that deep down i am an avid reader, i just havent had time or the energy to do it for extende periods in YEARS. This fucking job is killing me. I'm glad that i have been writing a lot more recently, but i miss books :(

Horror depends on the individual

There is rape, murder and brutality in the film, which was for its time, got the film band

People now look for something more graphic

I like the film and would not say it was a pure horror film, but it is closer to a horror movie than anything other genre

And as for me, I am one of the worlds biggest film and book junkies in the world. I simply can't get enough of either.
And as for the lack of readers, i find it rather depressing.

I thought the movie was really really bad.

the film, although it is Kubrick's vision, is extremely similar to the book. most of the lines said are taken straight from its pages.

and I like the movie, even though I don't want to.

everyone has their own opinion - but i always want to know when someone says they thought a classic film was bad - what their reasoning for it is ..

I like this movie a lot more than the book. Very cartoonish and sleazy. Almost reminds me of a Manga film or perhaps one of those horrible Carry On movies on acid. In my top 3 Kubrick films, second only to Dr Strangelove.

then that would make it in your top 2 Kubrick films :D

I saw about 10 min of this on TV.

Alex was acted awesomely [I know the actors name, dunno how to spell it], but I have no intention of seeing the rest of this anytime soon. Maybe in a few years Ill check it out....

True...... smartass ;)

Full Metal Jacket would be my third.... for the first half anyway.

awesome 1st half, 2nd isn't bad either

You're ?15?, right? I saw it for the first time when I was about 13 or 14, and it was very unsettleing for me.....and I too watched a lot of horror type films...but this for some reason made me all morbid for days after seeing it, still does.

Yeh you're right. I just love the intensity of the first half the second half is good but I don't like it as much as the first. Probably my favorite Vietnam war film.

It's an unsettling movie no matter what age you are...for me, that's what is so good about it.

I didn't really find it unsettling.... more comical

Comical? How?

Just how absurd, overblown the violence is portrayed... very cartoon like (kinda like Natural Born Killers did years later).

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I didnt saw clockwork orange but i heard a lot.. who knows which regisseur made these movie? I want to watch this movie but no Video store has it.. so do you know from where i can get these film?? Please post it to me if you know!
Special thanx in forward!

so long..

You should be able to get it pretty easily from most stores. Try Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk (for PAL format) if all else fails.

But that was the intention I think. I mean, Alex and his friends are having fun through a bit of the old 'Ultra-violence' and via rape - in-out in-out.
Hell, he begins beating the shit out of the writer whilst singing the Gene Kelly sone, "Singing in the rain".

Yeh for sure I know it was intentional.

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You didn't saw it, huh?

Should be in any video store...

I just didn't enjoy the story line, plus I am not into rapeing that much.

Hmmm, but are you saying you're into axe-murders and exploding heads? (You did enjoy Friday the 13th and Scanners, didn't you?)

Define thee not by what thee might observe.

Otherwise, I'm into necrophelia, cannibalism, animal slaughter, humiliation, serial killing...

A Clockwork Orange, though, is a most inhuman film. Anyone notice the similarities in style between this and Trainspotting?

No I did not.

But seriously, you shouldn't knock someone if they don't feel comfortable watching something like rape. Rape is a much more serious and realistic scenario than exploding heads, my friend, and although you aren't sensitive about it, others might be.

I would first of all, classify Clockwork Orange, as at least to some degree a horror film. Lit-fic often tries to dodge genre distinctions to avoid looking like trash, but I think a film using displays of violence didactically and presenting a dark alternate history could be called a horror film. The movie has a foot in the door of a lot of genres, but I would say that horror is one of the more solid of them. Burgess wrote the book and Kubrick made the movie for the same reason Mary Shelley told us not to play god with Frankenstein. A Clockwork Orange terrifies and provokes to remind us of another moral; that a person is a person and cannot be rendered inorganic and cannot be remade no matter how much we try. In the same way Victor Frankenstein's attempt to make a man fails, so too does Burgess' draconian regime's attempt. Frankenstein is a foundation of literary horror and is every bit as didactic and artistic and utilizes methods that looked just as scary and scandalous at the time to make it's point. I think it's also right that a Clockwork Orange is comical. Alex's sadistic glee and nonchalant approach toward killing, not to mention his hillariously earnest narration are quite funny, or even if not funny to the viewer, intended to be comedic. This movie commits acts of aggression against the viewer to teach, not because it's for people who like rape. Personal sensitivities are to be respected, but a film's intentions should be too.

i think this sucks dogy dicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clockwork Orange is by far my favourite Kubrick film. I would rate it in my top ten movies.
I have difficulty with how to classify it's genre though. I would say it is a sci-fi/revenge/comedy/horror/political/thriller type of movie. I can remember trying to get a copy in the early eighties and paying £30 for a crappy 7th gen copy on tape. I didn't like it or get it very much at first but pretended to as it was a trendy film to be in to (youth eh!). I know every frame of the film now after many years watching it, and can see why it is highly regarded in some circles. I can appreciate it more now with dvd and absolutely adore the movie.
Dooby Doo, One in the Yarbolls, a bit of the old Molloco plus and bed time is right time now.

But to state that a viewer of A Clockwork Orange might be "into" raping just because a scene happens in the film is rather inflammitory to those who are able to distinguish between reality and fiction.

Ok, yes. I can agree with that. I was just making sure you weren't kncoking him for being uncomfortable with that. But seeing your perspective, fair enough.

I apologize.

clockwork orange
 

came out years before trainspotting
so if there are any similarities ..it would be
the latter.
I enjoyed the movie but not so much the storyline.