The whole Mike in the asylum was done by Carpenter when Halloween was shown on HBO he went back and edited in extra footage.

Actually that footage was shot for the NBC broadcast, because the film was a couple of minutes shorter than the network running time for films. He shot a couple of what he called "carpet scenes" to fill in the gaps

one of which had Jamie Lee's hair up in a towel, because it was significantly shorter than when the film was originally shot.

Halloween was pretty good,but the Fog had just to much FOG

Hahahaha Rob Zombie had to to be the best concert I've been to and I've seen alot a shows and I'm only 15, but as for Halloween yes it was just another gory slasher porn but being a guy a movie with tits and gore is 5 stars hahaha but I like how he should why Michael was the way he is kinda like Hannable Rising.

I totally agree with the STE like totally lol....ANYWAY.....One thing(even tho I love the sequels) is how they made him mr muscles. Leave it to Jason or Leatherface. What I liked about Michael was he was tall and Lanky. I HATED the mask in this....plain white mask just like usual fuck those scars and stuff and how does a mask get that messed up sitting in the same spot. No matter what anyone says about Malcom Mcdowell, There is no replacment to Donald pleasance period and thats another nail in the coffin...or...knife in the teenager. It was too much like DR also shouldnt have gotten all those same people.....

The material for the masks rot after a while, especially after being used and being sweated in (a teenager anxious to have sex and a kid who just killed 3 people).

Thanks for the response, Jenna... I wonder if I just have an issue with that particular genre... I feel as though Devil's Rejects most certainly emulates Torture Porn - those "uncomfortable" moments are uncomfortable to me because they seem very exploitative for the sake of being exploitative.

What strikes me, though, is that, when I consider other torture porn and exploitative movies, I realize that Zombie hasn't really done anything original. He takes a LOT from movies such as TCM, Last House on the Left, and I Spit On Your Grave... I think there's even a bit of The Hills Have Eyes in there. But I don't think that he adds to the genre, per say.

Take something like Hostel or Saw. Both of these movies add to the exploitative torture porn genre because they, well, torture people in more explicit and different ways (both of them being more strictly TORTURE than anything else).

I guess my problem with Devil's Rejects is that I found myself asking, "What's the point?" At least with Hostel or Saw, the point IS the spectacle. But with Devil's Rejects, I'm just confused with that... Is he out to make the audience uncomfortable? Perhaps that's the answer: Experimenting with the audience to see whether or not they come back. After all, MOST horror is an experiment in human comfort/discomfort boundaries.

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hahaha... This post actually made me smile. I might just like you, after all.

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Re: The backstory... I think that a lot of people actually enjoyed that aspect of the film... I wasn't as big a fan because I liked the idea of him coming from "anywhere" or "nowhere," the quintessential urban monster... That concept is, to me, more frightening than a monster from a broken home.

No, I don't think he has done anything groundbreaking, or particularly original, but I also don't think that is the point. That doesn't mean that a film doesn't have merit, and it doesn't mean that a film can't be effective. All he added to the genre was (in my opinion, of course ;) ) a well made horror film, reminiscent of the films of the '70s that I love, with some unique characters. THAT is what I find interesting about The Devil's Rejects. Its a movie where you get to know the monsters of the piece FAR better than you do the victims. Nothing new there. But what is interesting, and in general maybe a bit different from other films, is the family dynamic. What makes it disturbing to me, and intriguing, is that at times they seem so NORMAL. Besides the bad hygiene...;) and the fact that they are brutal murderers, I mean. How they relate to one another. There is the favored child, the mostly annoyed older brother. They bicker, they eat ice cream, etc. And while this might not be a new direction to take (and let's face it, there are so few genuinely NEW ideas out there right now, that's not really a mark against it in my book), it did keep me watching, it did keep me interested, and it did.....effect me. In my opinion, it is well written, and stands on its own. And I would much rather see Rob Zombie, or any other horror director for that matter, develop interesting characters of his own and make his own movie, even if it is at times derivative, then the endless number of remakes we apparently have to look forward to.

And yes, I think the point of The Devil's Rejects is to make you squirm, make you wince, make you laugh, and make you feel a bit dirty. Like all horror should, it is meant to disturb you on some level. Its not subtle, its not tasteful.....and that's why I happen to like it. And like it a lot. I can completely see why others wouldn't though.

I think i'm in love, Will you marry me?! :D

Very well put. I guess my issue is that while I do recognize that part of the point is to reverse the traditional family dynamic, I'm just not interested or compelled to watch the family dynamic.

But then again, that's me. At least now I have a bit more insight as to the popularity of the film. Thanks. :)

Sorry, I already have a husband, and so far, just the one is plenty.....:p



Sure. :) Everyone is different. Basically comes down to personal taste. And I admit to wondering what the heck other people see in certain films...LOL. The Halloween remake for one. ;)

you sure about that?;)

:p . . . . . . . Yes I know what you mean

I certainly hope so....it was hard enough to find just ONE that could put up with me for so long.....:D

How does the unrated version compare to the theatrical? I'm thinking about buying the unrated.

I really only noticed one scene in the unrated that wasn't in the theater version, I really can't take scenes like that one that was added. I'm not going to spoil it for you, but it has to do with how he breaks out of the looney ward. To be honest, even though I couldn't take it, it was much more enjoyable than the theater version. If you liked the theater one then then this is worth buying imo.

Rob writes the dumbest dialog ever... it had me cringing in my seat it was so bad... a film spectator shouldn't have to suspend their disbelief after every word that is spoken...

I must admit. I didnt hate the remake. It wasnt great, wasnt horrible IMO.
Couldnt touch the orginal, then again, nothing else can as far as Im concerned.

I didn't mind the movie actually (Halloween). I do however have some criticisms of it that really bugged me though. Mainly, I was upset about the first part. I'm not sure what Rob Zombie's childhood was like, but I'm betting he decided to tell his own fucked up story on film, which had very disinterested. And of course if you grow up with a stripper for a mama, a lazy douchebag molester as a stepdaddy and a whore for a sister you'll end up a psycho serial killer.... Or worse yet...
Emo!

I did enjoy watching Michael's descent into complete insanity in the form of a reel to reel recording. I think if Zombie only had that, and the minimal backstory of the original I'd have had a better time watching it, instead of being bored to tears watching these rednecks who's only place in this world is on the Jerry Springer show.

The second half though was fun to watch. Just another hack-em-up horror. You could see Zombie attempt to pull off that 'fading into darkness' thing but couldn't pull it off. After that it was just blood blood and more blood. And apparently Mike Myers can 'smell' the redneck on people, because the only way he knew that Laurie was his sister was by smelling the mail she dropped off at the old Myers residence (anyone notice that?).

I do have to commend Zombie on showing every bit of titty that he could, including the grown up tittays of the little girl from 4 and 5. That's class Zombie

Real pissed that this didn't get a theatrical release over here....
I've only seen the workprint version that was floating around last year and I dug it. I thought it was a pretty strong entry to the series after the horrible pile of shit that was Resurrection. Rob Zombie's flicks are some of the best modern horror vehciles of the last 10 years.

I agree with you. I loved Rejects and thought Halloween was pretty good. Course, I didnt go in expecting it to surpass the orginal.

It's a different genre. It's like comparing Little Shop of Horrors the musical to the Charles Griffith Little Shop of Horrors. Different genres, different films, different approaches. Zombie reimagined a suspenseful slasher classic as a splatpunk slasher film. The philopsophical approaches are different and the intent is different. Apples and oranges...no, change that, apples and pianos.

^^ Haha apples and pianos I like that one :D and well said you hit the nail on the head brother

Definatley dude its not like the original has been erased because of this remake its still there to watch. Its just a new vision of the story thats brought new life to a franchise that was going down the toilet.
The remakes suck debate is tired and is about as exciting to read as all the Uwe Bowl sucks posts.

*Giggles* :D

helloween
 

i love the first helloween

Its Tyler Mane, the guy who played Sabretooth. You can see him sans makeup or William Shatner mask in Joe Dirt as the guy who sets himself on fire.

I think he was the only good casting choice in the reimagining. That Scout whatever her name is girl is annoying. MacDowell is a good actor, hes just too creepy to play Loomis. Brad Dourif as the sheriff was a bad choice too.

I don't like the idea at all of them doing re-makes of these movies. I get the feeling all the classic movies are re-make bound now. Hollywood can't think of anything better to do so they decide to do this. I though Rob Zombies was ok, but I would have much prefered the original being left alone

Rob Zombie's Halloween
 

I'm just curious what people thought of his remake. I thought it had some strong horror/gore elements, but I didn't like how they tried to give an explanation and a motivation for what made Michael Myers so evil. I thought it was more interesting and mysterious without the whole 'bad childhood and family' element.

They didn't do that... He was already evil, his family just happened to be assholes.

I liked how they explained the mask bit though.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30249

And it's spelled....MOVIE(your sig) :rolleyes:

Didnt hate it, but didnt really like it much either.

Yeh that was pretty cool. Man this remake gets a lot of shit! I thought it was decent although its Zombie's weakest film so far.
The ending of the workprint reminded me of Frankenstein and gave the film a way different feel... didn't really appreciate it the first time I saw it and was annoyed but now I prefer it over the one that was used when it was released.
It's a hell of a lot better than The Omen or Hitcher remakes.

ZOMBIE got me with the GOD OF THUNDER..
 

He got me with GOD OF THUNDER and the KISS shirt right from the start; however, it's ZOMBIE's weakest film thus far. ZOMBIE likes to show his influences.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31548


Read through this one from beginning to end, La Chat Noire.

Even though I have my issues with this remake, I'm surprised by how many people consider this to be Zombie's weakest film. I definitely liked this one better than House of A Thousand Corpses and Devil's Rejects. And I agree that although the original Halloween is much better (obviously), as far as remakes go this one was decent. I can respect that he tried to do something different and make it his own, even if I don't agree with all the changes made.

House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects totally kill Halloween

They are modern classics that reinvented some tried and true aesthetics of the genre. Great scripts and preformances... true horror films for true fans of the genre. But whatever I'm one of the few people that think that. His work is easily the best of the last 10 years in US horror cinema.

Halloween is just another remake to me it had elements of his earlier films but it just didn't work as well for me. Perhaps because he was somewhat restrained to staying close to the original work.

I agree with you Elvis. Zombie went back to the legends of the South and Midwest roadside horror attractions. Great take on not just horror movies but the traditions of horror in the USA. Zombie knew what he was doing with his first two films. If modern horror fans were better versed in both the history of horror films and rural legends they'd appreciate them more.

I'm kinda shocked by the Hate that Zombies first 2 films got. I love them - sure they are flawed but they are sooooooooooo enjoyable.

I think in general I just like a little more mystery and distance from the killer(s). House and Rejects were up close into the Firefly's lives and family dynamics. At least that's what I remember, but it's been about 3 years since I've watched them. Might need another viewing. But if people like horror roadside attraction type movies, Dark Ride wasn't too bad.