Not true at all. I love my wife above all else, even me, and i can be pretty self-absorbed, but i would jump under a bus to save my dog or one of my rats. I MIGHT shout a warning to my neighbor if they did the same.


Animals are not completely selfish and ignorant (like people. i live in a "Mobile home co-op", in other words, a trailer park. Trust me, people suck.)

I have chosen to segregate myself from most other people. I have been fucked over pretty bad by more than a few freinds, but i had actually made this decision long before then.


People who prefer animals do not necesarrily have severe emothional issues. Cheeba lives in a major city, i dont blame him for not wanting to be around other people.

Animals are innocents. They are not motivated by greed or malice. they wont destroy something simply because they cant have it. They dont try to hurt others simply because it makes them feel better or seeing other people's happiness hurts them.


Innocent adults, hell even innocent kids are hard to come by these days. If you've ever read any of Cheeba's posts about his pets, he is their father for lack of a better term. In this, i can also relate. I'm gouing to be a father for a human baby in about 7 and a half months, and i am looking foward to that too.

what it comes down to is empathy. I dont care if you feel sorrow for car fresheners when they run out of smell, as long as you feel something for something. that is the important thing:

Empathy.

It's what separates "normal" (or at least emotionally healthy) people from sociopaths, which are human monsters.

Isnt there animal psychologist...:p

this cat i had ... waited at the window for me to come home every day - rode around on my shoulders all the time ..

no matter where it was in the house, when i called it at night time it would run up to the room and on the bed to sleep with me.
it didnt meow at me for attention,, it just went everywhere with me ..

it didnt make me want to forsake human contact ... it was something you cant get from another human ..

just like people .. not all animals are capable of this kind of relationship ...

Animals can't feel empathy. The only reason their are no "bad" animals is because they don't know what's going on. If we're going to go by that, what is really wrong about anything? If we can't have universal rules, what's the point of having rules? Animals are selfish and how can you say an animal is not ignorant?

You'd sacrifice your life, to save a dog. Your survival should be way above some rat. You'd hurt your wife who you apparantly love to save a rat? Never to be with her again for a dirty rat? You can train a rat to kiss you, but it doesn't mean it loves you.

thats where animals and people are very much alike.

although .. most animals (the beagle being a glaring exception) only eat what they need ..

they are way less selfish than people

Its not a bad thing to be motivated by greed when your hungry....Thats whats keeps you alive..

Every dog I've known will eat whatever you give them. Especially chips :D

I've never seen a beagle I don't think though.

Wrong.
Why can't they?
You've never had an animal make EFFORT to cheer you up? Feel miserable and subdued when you're down?
I think empathy is the predominate way animals choose how to interact with their humans.

Why would a creature without emotion, or a feeling of friendship cry when you leave as though you were one of it's own? Because you ARE.
I choose to acknowledge and value this more than you, obviously.

Did i ever say i would sacrifice her? No, read it a little better next time. I was stating that i have experienced absolute love for another human being, yet still think animals are capable of love as well, i was arguing against your attmept at a point by saying people who love animals are substituting animals for peopel because they cant really feel.

people who dont think animals feel anything other than for themselves are usually projecting. it's the same reason pathological liars dont trust anyone and pedophiles think everyone else is just afraid to admit they want to fuck kids.

Do i think my pets philosophise or plot? No. Do i think they care? Yes. Have you ever seen an animal mourn the loss of another? I had a mouse that went into depression for about a week whenever another one would die. She would take care of the others once they got sick, then would almost stop eating and drinking for a whiole once they died. then she would recover.

Ever see an animal die from lonliness? ive seen that too. meet all of their other needs, but if a social animal is denied the company of others, it kills them. Notice how almost all doemstic animals are pack or community animal? They ARENT that different from us.

given your feelings on the whole thing, i have been wondering, have you ever loved anyone? I mean really loved them, not just high school crush "i soo love him" love.

empathy: The ability to put one's self into the psychological frame of reference or point of view of another, to feel what another feels.