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Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall (Post 1000336)

You're thinking of sex, not gender. Gender is a social construct whereas sex is formed from our genes. Which is too concise to be a total picture. A person's perspective is, of course, involved. For example: someone born with male sex organs, but feels they are completely a female might consider them selves female regardless of sex organs. Or they might call themselves intersexed(dash?). Or intersexed might mean to someone they were born with both male and female sex organs in varying developments, as well as exhibiting varying other physical aspects of female and male. I think the main difference is that gender is something we create ourselves where as sex is tied, but not limited to, genes.

Yes, I agree with all of this. There is a HUGE difference between sex (the body, what you are physically born with) and gender (what you identify with), so of course it makes sense that there are multiple categories.

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Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth (Post 1000394)

I value the opinion of science, we are creating confusion by diluting the definition of gender. If to many options are introduced, ever, it causes confusion. If a large portion of those options are make believe, as are the 11 gender options available now, then we will force confusion in an attempt to not offend someone who technically needs treatment for the psycological issue causing the confusion. We as a society are pandering to the very few at the risk of causing more damage.

That's an incredibly archaic, narrow-minded, and heteronormative point of view.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMyers (Post 1000402)

I take your point. Third gender might lead to fourth gender, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight genders ad infinitum. But is social confusion OK if it helps the psychologically disturbed feel better?

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Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth (Post 1000416)

Making the psychologically disturbed feel better does not make them better. If anything it makes them worse by allowing their confusion to become the norm. If you think that your a fifth gender, then maybe we need to look into the seated issue that isn't allowing you to settle on male or female. Maybe instead of saying cool, you can be your own thing and then sue anyone who tells you different and force colleges to put a circle that says "fifth gender" on their applications so you don't feel left out, maybe we say "Look, we understand that you don't quite know how to feel, lets talk through it and figure out what's going on."

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Originally Posted by MichaelMyers (Post 1000424)

What to do if those who are diseased do not think they are? What if they think *you* are the abnormal. Then this becomes something that can't be talked through.

Guys. No. We're not referring to those who do not identify as "male" or "female" as the "psychologically disturbed" or as "diseased."

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Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth (Post 1000425)

I can definitely see that, but to most people who are "confused" about something, the offer of help figuring out what is confusing them would be welcomed. But of course there is always the possibility that things cant be talked through. I think instead of pandering to those few people who are confused and changing the accepted social structure to bend it around a handful of people, we should just go on taking care of business the way we have. To be honest, it offends me that there are so many easily offended people in the world. I mean, really, its going to get to the point where we are going to have to start offering Klingon on applications and as a second language. As a matter of fact I would bet there are more people who want to be Klingon than there are who believe they are the opposite sex.

There's a difference between not identifying with the sex that you were born with and being "confused." You are being incredibly patronizing. This isn't about people who are "confused" or "easily offended" - This is literally opening up the concept of gender for people who don't identify as "male" or "female" and if you don't understand where these people are coming from, then just kindly walk away.

And really - That there are many different genders to identify with doesn't belittle you identifying as "male" or "female." So ultimately I say go about your business identifying as strictly "male" or "female" and don't judge those who may identify differently than you.

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Originally Posted by Roiffalo (Post 1000528)

It's a whole nother can of worms. I admit I'd be curious to see what kind of answers you'd get though.

LOL Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ::wink::