Kerry couldnt have done anything differently in New Orleans. It was FEMA's slow response, not Bushs. The President can't just order them in to action, there are legislative steps (red tape) that must be taken for something like that to occur.

Was it a pathetic, sickening, wrongfully slow response? Hell yes it was. Was it George Bush's fault? Um, no. Does our entire system need an overhaul? Fuck yeah it does. I've been saying that since I was old enough to notice how fucked up things are.

As for the Hitler comparison, I'm hoping you're joking because if you're not, that's a bit naive. Hitler killed 12 million Jews in cold blood. Bush's bodycount in Iraq isn't even a blip on the radar compared to that. (Or even a blip on the radar compared to the amount of people their suppressive tyrannical leader Saddam Hussein killed while in office, for that matter.) Hussein is much closer to Hitler than Bush, but even he is nowhere near Hitler's bodycount.

If Kerry was in office right now, there's no reason he would have been able to respond any quicker in New Orleans because, like I said, it was all the red tape they got caught up in. It's not like Bush was just sitting around with his feet up waiting for the right time to send help, it was beyond his control.

And yes, Bill Maher is smug little asshole that needs to get beat down.

All the facts aren't out yet about New Orleans and why everything went wrong. But All I know is that people fucked up... bad. Aid wasn't even out fast enough, Buses weren't decoyed. Just like how the pre 9/11 information was disregarded, so was all the information about Katrina. All the politicians did was talk,talk,talk,talk, and didn't do shit when it happen. While Bush is posing for photo Ops when people are starving. We can drop food to the Iraqi families but not too poor black families ? We can't deny race didn't have something to do with this.

Bush was where when this happen ? Fucking Vacation again! Yeah. I am sure heads are going to roll for this :rolleyes: but its little too late to be firing people when the damage is done.

Bush has exploited all the people that died in 9/11 for a cause of War. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. yeah, "Fight them over there, so we don't have to face them at home". That’s why we are all so scared still, 4 years after the attacks. Lets send my generation to the dead, and if I speak against the war. I am un-American and don't support the troop. Supporting the troops is wanting them home and safe with their family!

Maybe The Hitler comment is... little to much, but not in my eyes. We only see the damage that is present, the future toll will prove much greater. Trust me

If Kerry was in office, all I know is that we wouldn't be in a unjust war. Would New Orleans look different ? We won't know.

Iraq had no connection to 9-11. Iraq had no WMD. Iraq has no ties to al-Qaida. The motives for us being over there are pretty clouded and no one really knows why we're there because we only know the tip of the iceberg that the media tells us about.

All of that being said, the citizens of Iraq are better off right now than they were 3 years ago. Women's rights have dramatically increased, little girls are now allowed to attend school, no one has to live in fear that they will be killed for spekaing out against their tyrant leader and they elected their own government and are getting there in terms of writing up a consititution.

So are we in Iraq for questionable reasons? Yep. Are they better off because we're there? It's matter of opinion, but I'd say they are.

I am not a democrat or a republican. I just cant really tolerate politicians, in general. So if this sounds like I'm defending Bush, that's not really it. I just don't like how people with partisan agendas automatically point the finger at the opposing party for everything that goes wrong.

P.S. Fuck terrorists. I'm not living in fear of those faggots.

But...Iraq had ties to Bin Laden (thru Al-Quaida), And Bin Laden was involved in 9-11 Not that WE were able to find, no...BUT, they DID have them (chemical weapons) when Saddam used them against his own people...We could not have foreseen that they would not still be there, or would be moved or destroyed after we began looking for them (I STILL say, "look in Syria") Baby Doll, Iraq is STILL full of Al-Quaida...Saddam helped to fund and protect them...




I just wanted to point that out :)

You know I respect you, but I have to politely disagree here. al-Qaida and the Bathe party hate each other. Saddam and the Bathe Party don't have any ties to bin Laden or al-Qaida. The US hired bin Laden during Gulf 1 to try to kill Saddam for us. We even gave al-Qaida the weapons and training to do it. (Hindsight being 20/20 that probably wasn't our best move.)

Like you, I also believe the WMDs exist (I think they are probably in Iran or Syria as well.) but we gave the world like 6 weeks notice before going in to Iraq so there was plenty of time for them to be relocated. I'm pretty sure the US government could have seen that coming because I did and I dont have the CIA's access to info.

al-Qaida is in Iraq now because that's where we are. They weren't there when we went in and there are no ties between Hussein and al-Qaida in terms of 9-11. (According to the report filed by the 9/11 Commission at least.) Saddam hasn't ever funded al-Qaida, like I said... It was just about a decade ago that we hired al-Qaida to kill Saddam. I have never seen anything other than individual's speculation to signify any sort of partnership between those two organizations. (Why would they even need his money? Bin Laden's got plenty of cash.)

His assets were frozen after 9-11.

Buuuurn!

That first comment is very debatable. Most of Iraq only gets 4 hours of electric power a day at the most. Clean water is very rare. I ain't saying we aren't doing a good job, but the Iraqis citizens are more against each other then ever. Also, no one can prove we could HOLD a stable government after we leave.

You think Iraq wants a government like ours? When most of our own citizens don't trust/believe our government.

We have enough trouble defending our own constitution with people bending gun laws.

I think people have forgot we are after Al-Qaida/Bin Laden. Now our plan is FREE Iraq. Fuck Iraq, we came them guns 20 years ago to fight the Russians and now they are using them on us.

Right wing - Left wing. Both are crooks. But when I compare one evil to another. Left wing doesn't look like a bunch of Nazis

The bodies are still in the water and already people are lusting to blame someone.

Was it the Federal Government's job to evacuate the city? Would it have been legal for the feds to order a forcible evacuation themselves? No and no.

And by the way, George Bush personally called the Governor before the storm and asked her to implement a mandatory evacuation:

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisi...list=louisiana

And not only that, he declared the area a federal disaster area before the hurricane hit, which is rare:

http://journalstar.com/articles/2005...7674813970.txt

You might want to read that second one there, if you're so convinced that George Bush just twiddled his thumbs as the hurricane bore down on us.

See above.

Disaster relief is not like ordering a pizza, especially when roads and infrastructure are wiped out.

So do you want to just fly over the flooded city shoving pallets of MRE's out of the back of a C-130 and hope they land near the right people?

Here you are talking to people around the world on the internet. Do you seriously believe that the president of the United States doesn't have the ability to communicate with his subordinates from his home?

Not directly, but that's a different subject.


This generation's military consists of volunteers.

Nobody said that.

Your Hitler comment is a staggering insult to everyone who suffered through Hitler's horror. The closest parallels to Hitler today times are people like Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Molosevic, both of whom the US helped bring down.

And what about the toll that Saddam Hussein would have exacted? And what about the economic sanctions, which would have remained in place?

You think Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq by now? I doubt that. That would be the biggest mistake we could make and he knows it, rhetoric aside.

And if Kerry was president, and he was acting as George Bush is in response to the hurricane, I would be defending him too. As General Honore said recently, "If we're stuck on blame, then we're stuck on stupid."