Then it's a mote point. Why even make it?
I'm sure the 'goth' of the 1800's didn't appear out of nowhere, that it evolved and borrowed for something before it. Maybe some people then thought it was a cheap knock of whatever it might have been.
In the end, things change. For better or worse. That's life. Static things grow stall and die. Bitching and moaning about it won't change this.
Perhaps you should accept this and live in the now and not 80 - 200 years ago.

No. I'm comparing two things that used to be something else, but if the majority of people here seem to really enjoy the knock offs, then go right ahead, just as long as you dont think that they are original.
I'm not "bitching and moaning". I think that I just offend all the people here in which the point hit to close to home. I'm sorry to have burst your bubble. Your in no way orignial.
The only point that I was trying to make is that I'm sick of knock-offs, in whatever forms they take. You dont have to agree with me, but atleast give me decent feedback, or stop posting on this thread.

No, you stop posting on my thread!

And you are original? I've heard these kind of arguements before. Some people just can move with the times. All thing come out of something else. Almost nothing springs up from nothing, even your 1800's 'goth' had influences.
And you didn't burst my bubble, and I'm certainly not offened. It takes more then you to offend me. I don't like associating myself with the scene, but I accept it for what it is.
I never claimed to be original, just that I dress like I do and listen to the music I do because I genuinely like it, with is more then I can say for some people.
I'm sorry if my posts aren't up to your lofty standands, but I'll damn well post where ever I want.

One final question, regardless or the"times" or "having to change with time", which I agree with, but do you think that modern goth is better?

I don't think one is better then the other, just different. Things don't always have to be better or worse.

I find it kinda disturbing that you cant take a stand on it. Do you generally go with the flow on things, or are there somethings that you do feel strongly about? I'm not trying to be rude, I've just met very few people to feel that way about things.

is this kind of thing really worth taking a stand on ?

i can think of better things to focus that kind of energy on other than a fashion sensibility.

Exactly.
And I do have very strong feeling on many thing, and take a stand or side on things I feel are important. This is not one of those things for me, but obviously it is for you. I just doesn't matter enough to me, so I don't sit around measuring the pros and cons of the two 'goths'.

well, one look at me and its pretty obvious i've never given (male) fashion 10 seconds of thought.


always had a keen interest in what the ladies were wearing though :D