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Haunted 12-05-2005 04:24 PM

True, but even now, darker and/or ironic endings are becoming vogue.

Now, do I really want to say that silly endings, ex. Blazing Saddles, would be the new juice, especially in horror films. I must admit that it would be interesting to see...but I think you could only do it a couple of times before it became hackneyed.

Yellow Jacket 12-05-2005 04:36 PM

It's not that I hate Hollywood completely, it's just that they're making WAY too many remakes now. Take a god damn break for once and come up with something new. There are thousands of fresh scripts out there just waiting to be made into a movie. Now, I do love Hollywood for one reason: The Devil's Rejects! Talk about a straight-up homage to teh horror movies of the '70's. But, that's a whole other story.

Haunted 12-05-2005 04:49 PM

I understand much of the displeasure with remakes. However, there are some films that could stand to be remade:

The Thing...Imagine how they could do that now. Modern movie makers could actually amplify the scare factor.

Rosemary's Baby....I fuckin' hated Mia Farrow.

Sorry, Sam.

We should get back to the topic.

scouse mac 12-05-2005 04:56 PM

Hollywood is lovely, full of lovely people. Great teeth!

PR3SSUR3 12-06-2005 09:35 AM

To put a finer point on things, when a Hollywood production "sucks" it has failed its mega budget, mega stars and mega hype.

When an independent film "sucks" it has failed to get the best out of its limited resources, its part-time actors and its genuine artistic intentions.

To see a low-budget story derivative, badly told and badly executed pisses us off - we could probably do better, we think to ourselves (before pausing to remember the time and effort involved).

But to sit through a Hollywood blockbuster with similar failings pisses us off even more. Something about that old chestnut... money. And the thought of the cocaine-snorting fat guys in suits responsible for it all, rather than the over-enthusiastic film-school geeks.

AUSTIN316426808 12-06-2005 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
To put a finer point on things, when a Hollywood production "sucks" it has failed its mega budget, mega stars and mega hype.

When an independent film "sucks" it has failed to get the best out of its limited resources, its part-time actors and its genuine artistic intentions.

To see a low-budget story derivative, badly told and badly executed pisses us off - we could probably do better, we think to ourselves (before pausing to remember the time and effort involved).

But to sit through a Hollywood blockbuster with similar failings pisses us off even more. Something about that old chestnut... money. And the thought of the cocaine-snorting fat guys in suits responsible for it all, rather than the over-enthusiastic film-school geeks.



A failure is a failure, does it really matter if it cost 5 million or 5 grand? Point is it sucked, if a movie with the guy down the street is bad and a movie with Tom Cruise is bad, then they're both bad,doesn't matter why.

Where do you think indie filmmakers are trying to get to? Hollywood, walk up to any indie guy/girl and offer 'em a hundred million dollars,twenty million dollar lead of their choice ect. ect. and odds are they're going to take it.

nebae 12-06-2005 10:29 AM

I don't hate hollywood completely. I just hate the majority of the crap it churns out. It seems most of the films are made to generate profit from it's merchandise rather than the content by over-hyping everything before it's even released. Especially when producing films of already popular stuff (X-men etc). They stick to the same formulas over and over and rarely come up with anything original. As soon as one type of film comes out (i.e. the Matrix) and does well they milk the formula for all it's worth, producing dozens of variations on the same theme/style. I'm so fed up of seeing bullet time in films. They do it with dialogue as well. I can't remeber how many times I've heard the phrase "the clock is ticking" since Harvey Keitel said it in pulp fiction. Why do all the good guy characters these days have to be wise cracking badasses?

At least when a quality film comes out you really apreciate it, as these days, it's an exception.

But you get to rip the really bad films apart afterwards!!! That's almost as good as seeing a good film.

meetthecreeper 12-06-2005 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
A failure is a failure, does it really matter if it cost 5 million or 5 grand? Point is it sucked, if a movie with the guy down the street is bad and a movie with Tom Cruise is bad, then they're both bad,doesn't matter why.

Where do you think indie filmmakers are trying to get to? Hollywood, walk up to any indie guy/girl and offer 'em a hundred million dollars,twenty million dollar lead of their choice ect. ect. and odds are they're going to take it.

I think the expectations of a film that is made for huge amounts of money is pretty high and then when it tanks.....


"The Postman" with Costner had a budget close to 100 million, almost laughable, and barely made 18 million.

Seems trying to capture the magic of "Dances with Wolves or Bull Durham" can be a little difficult no matter who stars in the film.

I would expect a little more quality of a film though for that kind of money.

meetthecreeper 12-06-2005 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Haunted
The Thing...Imagine how they could do that now. Modern movie makers could actually amplify the scare factor.


Remaking "The Thing" ?????

Blasphemy!!!!

nebae 12-06-2005 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Remaking "The Thing" ?????

Blasphemy!!!!

I totally agree.

There is no way you could mke that fim any better.

Back off...

Way off.


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