He once told me about all the 13-14 year old girls that would finger on webcam for him. He didn't seem to ashamed of that either. He seemed to try dismissing any sort of pleasure he got out of it though....Try being the keyword.

Ok, that does it.

I'll stop defending that guy now.



Never liked him anyway. :rolleyes:

Yes V..the screen does turn ppl into idiots.

I truly thought the man had changed as he was discussing his up and coming
marriage and how he has turned his life around..etc.
And he chose a gullible dave ..oh boi'.

I got blasted from my silly egyptian for replying to one of trips comments in another forum
My baby told me then ..that men like this do not change overnight and by replying
..i am sending a mixed message.
Of course i debated my baby on this matter and 'lowers her eyes'

once again..of course i was wrong :o

Wow... that's intense.
Kinda scary.
One of my biggest phobias are older pervy men.
I have my reasons. :(



Almost makes me want to leave permanently.
To bad I trust most of you.
That means you're stuck with me. :rolleyes: ;)

Pervy old men are bastards and are mentally screwed.

This Thread Has Been Trimmed
But It Hasn't Been Deleted
Best To Be Kept Aware
These Predators Must Be Defeated

Some Brave Souls Have Come Forward
Brought This Madness To The Front
Give Me 5 Minutes With Tripn The Rif
I'd Smash His Face, The Fucking Runt

Lets Make This Forum Better
We'll Come Together Like A Community
Don't Ever Be Afraid To Speak Out
You'll Always Have The Opportunity

Make Some Threads
And Have Some Fun
If You're Having A Problem
Then Tell Someone

Be It Bloodrayne Or Zwoti
These Mods Are The Best
One Is From England
The Other Has Breast

And Lets Not Forget
We Have Amk As Well
Even Though She Can't Sign In
If She Could She'd Give Them Hell

Lets Not Forget Posher And V
Who Stood Tall During The Last Round
Trying To Quell The Ensuing Frenzy
Maintain Decency Where It Could Be Found

But Most Of All Do Not Forget
The Member With The Most Decorum
With His Words Of Wisdom And Rhyme
Marley's Ghost Saved The Horror Forum

You couldn't use that guy or anything that national probably because they look for random solicitation. Check out http://www.perverted-justice.com/ which gives some links that anybody really interested in catching him can use if they have some info.

Man, I'm freaked out. This shit is huge!

Trip did always seem a bit creepy to me, but I never guessd all this....

Cops Go Undercover Online to Nab Internet Pedophiles
Stacy Finz, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, December 7, 1998

(12-07) 04:00 PDT SAN JOSE -- Daniel DePew and Dean Lambey's scheme was about as hellish as the minds of men can conceive: Kidnap a young boy, sexually abuse him and ultimately kill him during the making of a snuff film.

Police and FBI agents believe that the two would have carried out their scheme had it not been for several San Jose cops going undercover in cyberspace.

Detectives throughout the country are now seeing the need to focus on the Internet, where millions of young computer users are at risk of being terrorized by sexual predators each day.

Precise numbers are difficult to come by, but more and more pedophiles from around the globe are using the World Wide Web to prey on young, unsuspecting victims, investigators say. They troll chat rooms looking for naive victims. They use the Internet to exchange child pornography internationally.

And most recently, police say, they have discovered a frightening new use of technology. Pedophiles are using digital cameras to televise live, interactive molestations in cyberspace.

"The Internet is probably the best thing that ever happened to the sex trade,'' said Mike Niehoff, a high-technology crimes investigator for the San Jose Police Department. "It makes people feel anonymous and safe.''

But law enforcement officials say they are not.

Police need only to come to Silicon Valley, the center of the technology world, to follow a pedophile through cyberspace. San Jose police have been on their trail for years, and now law enforcement officials in Southern California have formed a task force to go online to catch people who sexually exploit children.

"Every piece of child porn on the Internet passes through here at some point because this is where all the major servers are,'' said Detective Steven McEwan, a member of San Jose's child exploitation detail.

In September, U.S. Customs agents and law enforcement officials conducted the biggest Internet porn sting in history. Sixty alleged members of the Wonderland Club were arrested in the United States and in 13 other countries for producing, selling and trading child pornography. Some of the defendants are also accused of sexually abusing children. The case is an offshoot of a 1996 San Jose-based investigation involving the FBI and Monterey police.

San Jose's child exploitation detail, the first of its kind in the state and the only one in Northern California, has cracked cases nationwide by posing undercover online. As early as 1984, when the detail was first formed, police realized the need for specialization when investigating child sex cases.

Eleven years later, the Sexual Assault Felony Enforcement team was formed in Los Angeles. The group, made up of officers from local, state and federal agencies, also infiltrates the Web to catch pedophiles.

"Twenty years ago, your molester would have been in the park,'' McEwan said. "Today, they come into your house via the computer.''

Politicians agree and are trying to strengthen prison penalties for pedophiles who use the Internet to look for victims.

On October 22, President Clinton signed the Child Online Protection Act. The new law would make it a crime, punishable with prison terms of up to six months and fines of as much as $50,000 per offense, for operators of commercial Web sites to make certain types of graphic sexual material available to children younger than 17 years old.

A coalition of 17 free-speech organizations filed suit opposing the statute, saying it violates the First Amendment.

Most free-speech advocates do not object to police posing undercover on the Internet. But they say that there is nothing illegal about people merely discussing their desire to perform acts that might be illegal.

"There is certainly nothing wrong with people meeting in chat rooms and sharing like interests,'' said Terry Francke, a lawyer for the First Amendment Coalition.

But if those interests extend to sexually explicit pictures being passed from friend to friend, it is a felony, according to the law.

In the Wonderland Club, prospective members were required to supply 10,000 images of kiddie porn to join, authorities said.

Investigators are now using seized pictures to solve missing- children cases.

McEwan believes that more than ever, law enforcement and parents should regularly monitor the Web.

Nearly a decade ago, Detective Jim Rodrigues, one of the early members of San Jose's child exploitation team, logged on to a computer sex bulletin board hoping to catch a pedophile. At the time, it was a fairly new technique. Before computers, undercover cops frequented sex clubs and X-rated movie houses to get their leads.

But with a keyboard and monitor, Rodrigues met Lambey and later Depew. The two introduced Rodrigues to a dark underworld that would turn the stomach of even the most jaded cop, he said.

"What they talked about would send chills down your spine and make you have nightmares for a long time,'' he said. "It's given me a heightened awareness of how fragile a child's safety is.''

During a six-month relationship, the two Virginia men exposed a plot to kidnap a boy from the northern end of their state. Their plan was to keep him in captivity for two weeks and repeatedly molest him, each time torturing him to just short of death. The men intended to murder the boy eventually and preserve the entire ordeal on videotape so they could watch it over and over again.

San Jose police were out of their jurisdiction, so they contacted the FBI. But because of the sensitive nature of the undercover operation, they were asked to stay on.

Lambey and DePew were later arrested in a Virginia motel room. The two were tried and convicted and are serving more than 30 years in federal prison.

Cases like this are rare, police agree. But incidents of adolescents having sex with adults they meet on the Internet are becoming an everyday occurrence, police say.

Earlier this year, Los Angeles officials arrested a 43-year-old Calabasas man who lured a 13-year- old Connecticut girl he met in a chat room into a hotel room to have sex.

But even more chilling, according to investigators, is the international network of pedophiles who use the Internet to trade sexually explicit photographs of minors and participate in interactive online child molestations using digital cameras.

Last year, ringleaders of a notorious Internet child-pornography operation known as the Orchid Club were sent to federal prison. The group, which met in an Internet chat room, swapped stories about child sex and exchanged sexually explicit pictures of young girls.

A former Soledad prison guard and a Santa Rosa man, both Orchid Club members, were convicted of molesting five girls, ages 4 to 10, and transmitting the images on the Internet.

According to prosecutors, the men molested a 10-year-old girl in Monterey, while members all over the world watched and participated by asking for various poses via the Internet. One man who took part from Illinois admitted to FBI agents that he joined the group because he thought the Internet was safe -- far away from the probing eyes of law enforcement.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

A questionable decision once again to censor this thread, since now it seems nobody is any longer allowed to bear witness to the full build up of a serious discussion - only be shown certain modified statements and outcomes as deemed appropriate by those in charge.

This false utopia-seeking mission might suit the younger, more impressionable and idealistic members of the foum who 'just want it all to go away', but it is a little patronising to the rest of us - and probably more likely to leave a nasty aftertaste about the whole thing.

However while it smacks of Nazi book burning, the overall 'look' of the forum is obviously more important to the administrators than lack of censorship, so we will have to accept it - at least the original title of this thread has regained its significance.

What makes you think anybody but Horror himself has any "rights" on this forum? It's owned by one person and moderated by a few people chosen by him. If a moderator feels the need to edit or remove a post then it's their decision. Send a PM to Horror about how you feel and if he feels something wrong has been done then maybe there will be some action in a few months.

Nobody mentioned 'rights', except in my original post about the rights of the governing few who are able to delete posts and people at their discretion.

A message forum is about a two-way understanding between the site owners/moderators and the participants. I was under the impression people who use this site understand they can have their posts viewed, so long as they are not blatantly offensive or against specific site rules. It is not a privilege to have your voice heard here. Take away this service too often, and people with leave the forum - the forum is nothing without people.

This issue concerns everyone here, so it is not a PM matter.

So, you think that dave's voice should have been *heard*?

Although his exit inspired it, Dave and the others were gone before this thread was conceived so there was no danger of that here.

I mentioned (if the post still exists) that I personally would not have deleted his comments since very few of them seemed particularly offensive. I also asked how many people made a fuss of his - in hindsight - occasionally rather dubious references at the time.

However the moderators exercised their to remove Dave and his posts, given what transpired. No contributors to this thread are guity of the same behaviour, however.

Man, I always knew that dude (DJ) was an ass, but I never knew he was doing that kind of shit... :mad:

I'm glad that a a lot of this stuff is taken care of...I wish he could be prosecuted for doing these things to young girls, because god knows what he's doing now, or how far he has taken this perversion... :mad:

This thread will soon be closed...We decided to leave it here to let people know what happened, and to allow anyone else who may have been affected by this to tell their story...So, the only posts that now MATTER in this thread, will be posts that pertain to what happened...It was shortened to make it more 'to the point' for anyone who may want (need) this information...Nothing important was removed...Posts that were editted, were editted to remove quotes from posts (or comments toward posts) that are no longer here, so that the context would make sense...

It was decided that we would do THIS, rather than delete the ENTIRE thread (which is also, well within our rights)...No one's voice was stifled...No one's opinion was stymied

Not ONE person's comments were removed because of something they said, or an opinion they had...Editting is NOT 'censoring'...Ever see any 'cut scenes' in a movie?...They are usually removed because they are deemed unnecessary, not because they are considered 'offensive' to anyone


I'll remind everyone, one more time...We do not lock the doors here...If you don't like the way we do things here...You can leave

Like someone said before,he targets boys too.He sent me a penis picture on MSN.About a year ago,i was going through a difficult time,so he talked to me.I felt comfortable,then he started talking about fantasies...and all of that shit.I was the one who help mona_lisa,he....stated,he would lick the cum off of me,when i got done having intercourse.Thats when i stopped talking to him.But then about 3 months ago,i saw him flirting with bloody_desire...i wanted to say something,but i think someone already did at that time.She was i think....14?I hope he didnt do anything with her.But im just telling you,your not the alone one.But,for everyone who has been through this,confess.I had to confess when i was 11 for what my step-father did to me,i know your scared at first.But once you tell someone,you feel better and protected.No one will say anything bad to you,just come foward.

I'm sorry that happened to you...I hope that you can get past it and not think about it, although I know that isn't easy

You're right...It does help to get it out...It's good to let everyone know that they weren't the only ones, so they won't think that it was somehow their fault, or because of something they did or said

I was constantly trying to get BloodyDesire to stop (she was 13 when she FIRST came here)...I warned her of the dangers...She persisted, until she left...Lots of people left after he 'messed' with them...I'm glad that those of you who stayed, decided to stay, even though it was very difficult

You guys have a lot of guts to come out and share these stories...And you're also helping other people by doing so...Not only are you helping victims, but you're also making it more difficult for the criminals to get away with this...They depend on SECRECY in order to do what they're doing...When all of their secrets are out in the open, they can't really continue to do this

I wanted to add that I'm sorry for not addressing this issue with the guys, and only focusing on the girls...I wasn't aware of anything happening to any of the males at this forum...The girls contacted me, but none of the guys did...I know that this is MUCH more difficult for the males to admit...Please know that I wasn't being insensitive to your situations...I was simply unaware

I think i was next on his list actually. He was starting to get like that over pm's, but nothing too serious... I lucked out.

Ive gotten over it,as soon as i left california i told my mom,he got 1 year in prison and 6 years probation,this was back in 2000.

I am saying this in the hope of shining a little humor and wisdom on this subject. DJ didn't mess with me much anymore after he met my "bitchy" side when I totally blew up at him on the phone. That was why we could remain friends, and why I picked on him on the forum (kind of as a reminder). So, the point is, don't be afraid to stand up to pervs like him online. And talking about it definately helps too. Get it out. It helps you and like Rayne said, it also makes it more difficult for them to get away with it if everyone knows about it.

it seems from this that some of you lot are getting friendly in a phone call, email and messenger type of way. is this standard? if so, no wonder you are getting exposed to freaks. i think, BR, that you should emphasize the dangers of this. i mean, i like you guys but we all have our own real life friends.

There is nothing wrong with making friends over the Internet, and yes, sometimes we talk with people we like on PM, IM, phone, email.... Please don't make this into a "it's our own fault for being friends with whoever". The perv is the guilty one, not the people who tried to be his friend. Hopefully we all can come away from this wiser, but not hateful.

I understand this point of view; but I have to say, I have been hurt far worse by some of my "real life" friends then the ones I have made online. It isn't often you can truly know someone. There is danger no matter how you meet someone. And the internet is another way of meeting people. I have made several really good friends online; good decent people. I met my husband online. You HAVE to be cautious, and understand that obviously there is risk, greater risk because it is easier to be fake when you are hiding behind a computer. You have to know not everyone has good intentions. Just be careful people, understand the risks you are taking, and if you are not an adult....DON'T take the risk. It isn't worth it.

I have to agree. I think you take as many precautions as you can...but sometimes somebody you think is a friend takes advantage of that trust and/or kindness. That doesn't mean everyone you met on the 'net is a freak...in fact, I'd venture to say most of us are "normal" (relatively speaking;) )...we only hear about the weirdos...that's what makes news;) I have plenty of great friends in "real life", but have also met some wonderful people on the internet (most from this site) who are as important to me as those I see every day. I don't think there's anything wrong in carrying on friendships via phone, e-mail, etc...just take precautions, and trust your instincts...if something feels a little off...it probably is =P

all i'm saying is, be really careful. i'm not blaming anyone other than the perpetrators of perv. so don't go down the path of witch hunting. we are all responsible for our own security. let this be a lession to all.

We must've posted at the same time, cause I totally missed this! =P Yeah, definately agree here as well...oh, and Jen's a perfect example of somebody I met on the net that's not a freak...okay, except for that whole thing with locking people in her basement...but again, I over look that b/c everyone has their fetishes. BWAH! But seriously, just as good a chance somebody you know will hurt you as somebody you meet over the internet. When the red flags go up, in any situation...don't ignore them.

i think on the net you should have tighter security. i mean, this is the first place i've met someone who flashes underage girls. yeah, there's some great people but, the anonymity of the net brings out the perv in people. just be vigilant!

Oh yeah, I definately agree that people are much more...umm...BOLD behind the computer ;) I understand what you're saying though. Agreed. However, I don't think flashers typically announce that they flash underage girls...I don't think they walk around admitting. They just kinda get caught ;) Not sure it's something you wanna add to a resume or anything ;)

Excuse me, do I know you? ;)

Seriously, yes, here is one of the wonderful people I have met online. A good friend, a good person. And she wouldn't be in my life if not for this blasted machine. You just have to know how to watch out for yourself, take care of yourself, and know the danger. I think many people, kids and adults, don't really think, they are far too trusting. They know what is in their heart, and seem to automatically believe that is how most people are. And that just isn't true. As long as you are aware, cautious, (yes, please watch for those red flags) you should be okay. :)

This is the first place that you are AWARE that you've 'met someone who flashes underage girls' ;)

They're all over the 'net...And everywhere else...We just don't always know who they are

And I do urge EVERYONE to be careful who they speak to on the phone, and on messengers, and NEVER give out personal information to a stranger (however, I'm pretty sure that these kids already know that)...But, you can meet these same people in your neighborhoods...

I talk (on the phone, in real life, and on messengers) to MANY people from this forum, on a regular basis...But, it doesn't ever get 'creepy'

It's true, we must be 'vigilant', we must be aware...But, we don't have to be paranoid

Have you never met a child molester in real life? Because if you haven't, consider yourself VERY lucky, they seem to be everywhere. I unfortunately am not that lucky.
I am not disagreeing with you at all, yes, please be vigilant and yes, it is easier to be a perv online in some ways. But people have to be careful everywhere especially online.

Awww, you're a doll :) Exactly, I'm just as close to you as I am to people I've known my whole life...I would've missed out on alot had I never joined this forum. Yeah, and I also think alot of people go on the Internet b/c of loneliness...and when you're lonely, and somebody starts paying attention to you, telling you what you wanna hear...it's very easy to get caught up in, and dismiss any doubts you may have. I'm glad this thread was started...glad everything was brought into the open. I think it's good to have these discussions, and let people know they aren't the only ones something like this has happened to...brings awareness to the matter.

i have never met a child molester and i really don't think that makes me unusual. for most people it only happens online. we gotta stop talking about this shit. new people reading this are gonna think its a sex club in here. when is this thread closing? honestly, i genuinely think this thread is doing more damage than good.

Nobody said you were unusual..just said you were LUCKY you hadn't met one...and also, you might've met one...just not known it. And honestly, I don't think for most people it only happens on-line. I know more than my share of people who were molested, and 90% of the time it was by a relative or close friend of theirs...not by somebody they met on the 'net. And if people mistake a thread that's trying to educate people about the dangers of internet predators for a sex club...then they're mind probably isn't in the right place to begin with ;)

I don't agree. I think this is a very good thread and anyone new reading it will know that at least here we are very aware of the online pervs, and are no longer afraid to talk about it, so hopefully they will feel safer here. And no, that doesn't open the door for more pervs to come here and pretend they're safe and innocent, cuz WE WILL TELL ON YOU now and forever.

Yeah, I think it lets people know that's not something that will be tolerated around here...and lets new members know that the people running/moderating the boards are concerned and WANT to know about this type of behavior...so that the forum can be used for what it was intended...you know, to make fun of each other, point fingers, get annoyed, and talk about horror once in a while ;)

No, I don't agree that for most people it happens online; I know far too many people that have been molested or raped by someone they did not meet online.
Also how anyone could mistake this forum for a sex club because something happened here and there is a discussion of the events is beyond me. I would much rather there be a discussion and some action taken than have it swept under the rug as if it never happened. If someone doesn't WANT to discuss it, they do not have to, if someone chooses to ignore it, that is their choice. People have to know if something of this nature happens, it should be reported. People that commit these kinds of acts should be stopped.

i didn't mean the sex club thing literally. all i'm saying is that it isn't good for the biggest thread in the main area of our site to be banging on about our problems with pervs. lets get on with the business of horror and let the mods do their job. lets not turn into a site full of armchair mods. i await the official action re:this thread with baited breath

Hey, the only reason I came back in the thread was to stress that not all the pervs find you online, in forums like this. And to advise caution in all aspects of your life, but at the same time, like BR said, lets not be paranoid. I have no problem with moving on, and the thread being closed. BUT if other people feel the need to continue the discussion, if they see merit in that, that is up to them, I am certainly not going to tell them that is the wrong way to go about it.