OK. I take it that angra is a male and you want me to have some fun with him then?

mmmhmm. I thought he was a girl for nearly 2 years.

Would we fool with you??????????
Angra is all woman..
and is such a sexy one at that ..
pm her and say 'hubba hubba baby'
and she is like putty in ure hands :p

Sorry. I can't envision myself ever using the phrase "hubba hubba baby" besides in the context of this post.

I didn't read through all the pages of this thread. I just popped in to address the initial question posed in the subject.

I'm certain that the existence of Jesus is a historical fact. I don't think any person or religion will tell you the man did not walk the Earth. The question or debate comes in as to whether or not he was the son of God, could perform miracles, resurrected after death, etc...

So to answer this question.... Yes. I believe in Jesus. Anyone that doesn't, needs to do a little research.

thank you bwind. This was turning into a elementry school really fast.

Well, I just made the mistake of going back and reading the whole thread... Whooops. Another good thread crashes and burns, huh?

First, I'd like to thank BR for saving me a moment's typing by pointing out to the 'Satanist' that he didn't know what he was talking about. God & the Devil are Christian concepts & since The Church of Satan is not Christian, they do not believe in (or worship) either. Una, you may have just been saying that get a rize, but really all you were doing was making yourself look like you had no idea what you were talking about.

Okay, moving on... Like I said, no one (with any degree of intelligence) denies that Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the man, was at one point alive on Earth. That much is fact. The debate is whether or not he is the son of God like Christians believe, a prophet like Muslims, Jews and a few other religions believe, or simply a good man like atheists and pagans believe.

My ponderance is this though... Does it really matter which is right? In any of those 3 scenarios, we can all learn how to live a better, more moral, more wholesome life by following his examples set forth in the Bible. If you're Christian, you can benefit from following his teachings. If you are a Jew or a Muslim, you can benefit from following his teachings and if you are an atheist or pagan, you can benefit from following his teachings. Why? Because regardless of whether or not he was the son of God, he led a good life and we can all learn from that.

So my take on religion is this... Believe in God if you want, don't if you don't want, but lead a good life either way and the world will be a better place.



In regards to James Cameron's film... It can't possibly prove anything conclusive. For starters, Jesus & Mary were 2 of THE most common names in that era. Secondly, I saw that they were taking DNA samples from the tombs, but what's that gonna prove if there's no other samples of Jesus Christ's DNA to compare it to? It'll all be guesswork & speculation without the possibility of concrete scientific facts to back it up. Because of that, the believers will disavow it and continue to believe while the naysayers will claim it's proof that Christians are wrong and presto... We end up right where we started out.



Anyways, that's my take on the whole thing... I'm agnostic by the way. I don't know what's out there & I doubt I will figure it out in my lifetime so I'm content to just live my life without the answers. (I'd rather do that than spend my whole life believing in something that can't be proven or waste my time searching for answers that are not to be found.)

In all seriousness though..
I do believe in this topic ..more ways than one.

Why must every thread be derailed with schoolyard nonsense?

From what I have read, I can accept that someone named Jesus may have lived in the location and around the time the Christian Jesus was supposed to have lived. However, I do not believe in gods, angels, devils, or any other sort of supernatural entities. If a Jesus actually lived, he was human. Much of the Jesus myth existed in the culture long before the Christian Jesus supposedly lived, and it is rather easy to find how these ancient legends were applied to him by early Christian writers interested in elevating him to divine status.

Hey I know...Jesus is that guy, right?