i have no expectations that all people should like the same things ..

i have a problem with the casual attitude towards death .. because 'people are whiney.' 'the bitch deserved it' etc ..
i understand the context - it still sounds ugly.

Fair enough but why so down on this film?
In horror death usually is casual, Freddy(apart from being a child molester) and Jason kill loads of people no-one goes on about them. If they do they usually are more on about the brainless plots. Hannibal, accepted by more "non horror" folk, due to the fact he is clever, so what he takes more time in his killings and enjoys them all, and even worse he always gets away.

Although Devils Rejects may be grim, it no way makes killing look fun and the family don't seem to take a huge deal of pleasure in doing it. The actual deaths are pretty swift, yet again not like Hannibal who likes doing things slowly to classical music and explaining what he is about to do. And they are always on the run and don't have such a happy ending. In my mind that is sicker and whats worse is it is more acceptible than films like the Devils Rejects.

At the end of the day they are all just movies, watch what you want to watch and enjoy it.:D

Sorry to go on but I always find this point of view odd, you like Phantasm, now then are you saying that does not take a casual approach to death and has some more meaningful message to get across. I don't think so you just enjoy it for what it is, a film, and that's the way it is meant to be.

Think thats all I have to say and don't take any of this [ersonally I just don't agree with your point of view on this film that's all.:)

i dont mind discussing it ..

most of the films i like portray violence as cartoonish - or unrealistic. it doesnt need to have a message .. i already understand what's right and wrong.

violent movies are a release for people ..
- they can live out their darker thoughts in a harmless way
(who doesnt love to see a bad guy get smoked)
- they can get off on the special effects
- they can dig the absurdity (see Story of Ricky)
- or they have a desire to see the envelope pushed - something that'll make them feel uncomfortable.

personally i like to see the bad guys get smoked - thats the depths of my depravity - i love to see justice done because its an unrealistic fantasy i have in this real world full of fucked up violent self serving retards.
I also dig special effects and the result of someone elses imagination.

i dont like to be made feel uncomfortable. I think its an easy thing to do so its not that much of a challenge - i cant respect something that easy.
(making someone laugh is a challenge)


what i personally dont like are films that portray violence to others in a cavalier fashion and portray the bad guys as cool anti heros. I think its damaging in its own way and I've seen plenty of evidence of it.

show me a guy who kills serial killers and i'll cheer for him (suspect zero)

i dont think everything has to have socially redeeming qualities ... i dont think people have to have the same view of the world as me - but it does naturally make me question some folks who praise violently antisocial behavior toward innocent people as 'cool'

for the record .. in film and print - i consider hannibal a candidate for capitol punishment.
i never thought he was cool or likeable and i always hope for the book/movie where someone finally does away with him.
the way harris made him into a super hero largely due to popular favor is a joke. he helped jodie foster - so he must be cool ... and so far he's only killed/eaten unlikeable characters ...

ok so he's a saint now ..


again .. i'm not suggesting everyone should think like me .. but my several years of developement as a person has left me with certain beliefs and standards - same as anyone else - and when i see something that flies in the face of something i believe in - i'll probably mention it.

this is a forum .. a forum is a place where people air their opinions .. hopefully in a constructive manner ..

I would definately agree with you on most of your points, and respect you and your opinion.

The reason I think some people, well I can only speak for myself here, like to have an "antihero" and root for the bad guy is down to mainstream Hollywood. How many "action" films do you see where the lasatest hollywood hero mows down wave after wave of bad guys just because his partner got killed. Yes he is attacking bad guys but most are just henchmen put in front of the camera to get killed by said hollywood hero to make them look good. It is nice once in a while to have the opposite happen, the bad guys to get all the luck and stay alive, in fact there are very few films in which the bad guys ever actually make it through all the way to the end to get away scot free, even in anti hero movies justice has to be done.

Obviously in the real world it is a different matter, and if any one is rooting for a killer they need some serious help.

I can appreciate what you say about films making you feel uncomfortable, but once in while I kinda like that myself. I would not like every film to it but occasionally like Devils Rejects, Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer, I Spit on your Grave and Scrapbook are a worthy addition to the "Horror" genre. And making you feel uncomfortable is easy to do, but to do it in a realistic way and convincing way doesn't happen that often, where as the vast majority or people are easily amused by the same old tired humour of the likes of American Pie and Scary Movie, not good fiilms but loads of people go to see them laugh and have a good time. But how many films are there that creep you out, which is a good thing but I do feel they have there place.

Oh bugger I'm off again and I appear to have hijacked this thread for long enough. Not trying to get in the last word and cut you off but I feel there are certain points we will just disagree and like you said that is fair enough but thanks for your opinon on the matter and sorry if I go on.:) It was just the "yeah .. all whiney fucks and police should be killed.

serial killers are cool." that got me going, as that is not what I meant.

no problem ..
its just that if you're here for a while you'll see some posts that do make you wonder about the people who post them.
there are a lot of wannabe badasses who do attempt to portray an aura of bravado by saying some pretty dumb to the point of offensive things ..

like going to the movie and some woman is being murdered - you'll always get some goof yelling 'give it to the bitch'

this is actually what gave Last House on the Left such a bad name in the beginning. Critics were reacting more to the audience than the actual film itself. Wannabe tough guys cheering for the rapists.

I know most times in these occasions what the motives are .. more a pathetic attempt to look tough and cool in front of friends to mask the discomfort they're feeling - but i'm still a bit oversensitive to it.

its a cliche but since i've had a kid - i take a lot more seriously than i used to - and value life a lot more..

(and for the same reason - i dont like to be made feel uncomfortable when watching a film ... the real world is far too full of things that make me feel that way already)

uh...ok
 

Amityville Horror can suck it if you ask me. There is no way to compare the movies, but only someone who pays enough attention to what the story is actually about might see that...I guess im the only person who did.

An American Haunting
 

Just saw it and really liked it. It's not a bloody type film, so if you're only into that sort of thing, you won't like it. A pretty standard ghost sort of story, and quite a lot of "make you jump" moments. I can say that when I got up to run to the bathroom, I was looking behind me in the theater corridorl. :p

flyingmouse77

The story of the Bell Witch has always been one of my favorite American legends, so I enjoyed this movie aside from the fact that it lagged a bit in some parts. It was good to see Donald Sutherland in a film again, as well. Sissy Spacek never disapoints me for some reason.

I've loved Sissy Spacek since "Carrie," and I too thought it was nice to see Donald Sutherland again. I also saw a preview for the remake of "The Omen," and I'm excited about Julia Stiles being in that one.

Haunted, have you read any of the books about the legend?

flyingmouse77

I liked it. A good old fashioned ghost story.
Good acting and an interesting take on the legend. Far better then I expected.