I think Zombi 2 is (in regular-type movie circles at least) pretty underrated. Sure, the dubbing is bad, and that one guy sounds a lot like Roddy McDowell, but the look of the movie (not the make-up stuff, that was average) was great, and the eyeball scene was fantastically done.

But The Beyond is shit. Pure shit.

you're being alittle harsh and overracting. To say Seven Doors of death is pure shit, it sounds ignorant. when they're is a million times worse horror movies.

Can you have 'impure shit'?

I suppose you could if you added something to it like, er...flowers, or shoe laces or something.

But then would this 'impure shit' be actually better?
As by definition 'pure shit', is a very horrible thing.

Hmmmmm.......

Are you on crack??? :confused: LOL

there is worse ..

but there was so much build up for this movie .. things i'd read - peoples opinions ...
i was taken aback when i finally saw it ..

maybe it has historical significance ? I dunno, i just thought like STE that it was a poor film.

I know a guy who is a profesional film critique and horror mag contributer..as well as a musician who has scored a horror flick and does only horror themed music ... this guy liked the movie so much he has an Eibon tattoo on the back of his neck.

I think there must be a way to look at this for it to be good, but i cant find it ..it seemed amateurish and sloppy.
Notably the first time that i really couldnt find anything to enjoy despite how much i love italian horror.

I'll watch it again - who knows maybe I'll find something the 2nd time around now that my expectations are much lower

And how exactly does it sound ignorant? I happen to think the movie is shit. There are movies that are worse, yes, but that doesn't make this movie any better.

If you look at the film for what it is; a very low budget "B" movie. Fulci and Argento have a knack for creating SFX that are more inline with the bigger budget films of the same era. They don't spent the money on highly paid actors, locations etc, but do produce effective movies.

If you try to compare movies such as Seven Doors of Death with big budget movies like The Exorcist you will almost always be unhappy. It took me awhile to accept the Italian movies, thinking they were all bad, because I would always compare them to the bigger budget, U.S. made movies.

I finally figured out that I was missing a big part of good horror by excluding what I automatically thought was terrrible movies if they were Italian.

This is why I compared it to Zombi 2 so much. They're in the same sub-genre, league, whatever you want to call it, so there's no bullshit excuse for Seven Doors of Death/The Beyond to be so bad when Zombi 2 is so good.

Although, the "you can't compare it to big-budget movies" line doesn't hold up so well anymore anyways.

Especially if you consider comparing it with The Texas Chainsaw Massacre , Evil Dead, The Last House On the Left, The Hills Have Eyes and Halloween, all low budget horror films. And all are infinitely better than The Beyond. So the low budget shit isn't working. There were hundreds of low budget horror movies made during the mid/late 70's, early 80's. And a lot of them were really great.

I like it, but don't consider it good. I have only watched it once, and was unmoved, but I'll watch it again just to see if there's more to it.

actually i was comparing it to other low budget italian thrillers .. which i have always liked.

I was looking around and saw a couple of things about this film ..
One - Fulchi is quoted as saying that it was a film with no plot .. just a series of images.
I totally agree and it went a long way to explain why i didnt like it .. it rambled.

Two - the hospital finale was tacked on as an afterthought .. to appeal the German zombie craze that was going on at the time.
and thats just how it felt to me ..

Actually everything felt 'tacked on' like one of those houses in the country .. where people keep adding rooms on rooms .. and end up with a mess.

I can appreciate that it was low budget $400,000 - but there are a lot of other low budget films i dont like .. for the same reasons.