Kerry. And im proud :D

George Carlin would have verbally destroyed both of them, he has my vote.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stingy Jack
2.) Bush rushed into the war without UN support, without a plan to win the peace, and with troops who were/are seriously lacking in combat defenses.

You better check your facts their Stingy. Your boy Kerry has voted down every legislation that was meant to fund the military.
In every way ,shape,and form. I'll gladly post all of the facts, if you would like.

Here are just a few:
1) In 1993 he voted to cut missle defense funding by $400 million.

2) In 1994 he voted to cut missle defense funding even more-by
$513 million.

3) In 1995, he voted to freeze defense spending for 7 years, slashing $34 billion from Defense Dept. funding.

4) He voted against an $11 billion military construction bill, which included $4.3 billion for military housing.

5) He voted to cut funding for B-2 bombers.

6) He voted again to slash another $300 million from missle defense research and development.

Man... I could go on and on if you want. Not to mention all the military upgrades he has opposed. Like replaceing the B-52 with the stealth bomber. Replacing the Poseidon SLBM ( submarine-launched ballistic missile) with the Trident 1 or 2.
Just think of what those soldiers would be going through if Kerry would have had his way. Oh, I also forgot about his wanting to cut $777 million in National Guard and Reserve equipment.

It's clear he is no friend of the fighting man. I think Zell is right...
if Kerry had his way we would be fighting this war with spitballs.

Please. If we compared them to Carlin then nobody would vote for them. We all have to lower our standards sometimes

What is John Kerrys plan for peace in Iraq Stingy? How would he have handled things differently, that would included UN support?
He has never once stated how he would have achieved these things. Just that he would have. Talk is cheap. Remember that.

I admire the fact that Bush raised our troops salary.I think they are underpaid and underappreciated.

China would defend North Korea? I doubt that. China is worried about no one but themselves. Last I heard, they were getting pretty tired of KIM Chong-il and his shit.

I admire Sistinas.:D

To say Kerry won the debates is one thing...To think that rhetoric and debating will help in making you the right choice for president is insane. What Im looking for in a leader is someone who stands by their word. A person who won't be pressured to change his opinion by the worlds opinion of his/her actions. I was thinking last night that this is what makes this country sooo great that the President and his opposition can debate and campaign and we the people will vote and decide who will be our represenitive to the world will be. This is why I believe we need to be the aggressors for democracy. Will it be easy? NO. Is it right for everyone to have the basic God given rights of Life Liberty and Property? Yes. Its for these reason that Bush remains the horse im backing. No amount of debate and discussion can persuade me to vote for a person who doesn't have the same beliefs I do.