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Shanks...I think we have a replacement....

I for one, believe that there is a God. And the God I Believe in is a God that should be feared. I fear God not because of Death, but because I know he has the power to separate me from him, for Eternity.


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I wanted to add, that I as a Christian, make mistakes, I probably make more mistakes than non-Christians, but I try not to make the same mistakes again. And when I do, I know that God will forgive me, no matter what, as long as my heart is pure.

rofl it gets scarrier

Well, i was asked to close this thread actually...and would have about 3-4 pages ago as Visions and Wufong had a pretty nice flamewar going on....

But it seems to have settled down now, so we'll see how it turns out....


On a side note, i really wish i had met more Christains like You HC, and you Bwind....if i had i think i would have been alot more open to Christianity throughout my years....

Indeed. I find it a rare occurrence that Christians are actually open to civil discussion and are at least willing to consider other theories and beliefs. No offense to Christianity, but it seems that the Christians that I know are much worse morally than the atheists I know.

Thanks! Egekrusher! Yeah being a Christian definitely isn't easy, I find myself having to ask for God's forgiveness every second of every day. And I'm glad that he's there to forgive me. I find that I feel better after I do.

Thanks! Yeah I wish you had too. Unfortunately there are alot of Christians out there that believe the appropriate way to spread the gospel is to 'scream' at non-believers that they're going to hell. I believe the appropriate way is to love them, for just being themselves, and if and when God guides them they'll come to you asking about your faith...that's how I became a Christian.

well for a good reason..if you read my complete profile youd see how fucked up it really is of that remark considering i have the chorus of CLOSER by nin on my profile

no i'm not. but it's ok. cause i'm christian, we're not perfect just forgiven.

i've never said anything bad about jews. well deragatory about them personaly. and if i did it's ok causemy mother side is jewish.
but i don't think i've said anything deragatory about them personaly. maybe about judaisim for sure. but not about the person who is a "jew"

So that gives you the right to be a horrible person, because you'll be "forgiven"? That's one of the oldest excuses Christians have used to justify doing horrible things.

isnt pride a sin? Arrogance is pride at it's worst wufong. it's a deadly sin, so get praying :rolleyes:

C'mon folks!! It's been 9 pages!!!

I know, if it irritates me so much why did I come to this thread. The only answer I can give is pure and simple masochism.

just like in HS all the kids that would talk about the drugs they did and this and that and how they stole from here...

and then sunday morning theya re at church....

and yet i dont do ANY of those things and im still going to hell hmmmmmmmmm

is it because they stick $1 in the bowl? $1 that goes to the pope so he can have more gold plates and diamonds??

Im sure this has already been said, but could you clarify one thing for me? Me being an atheist is, by itself, landing me in hell. correct?

Orangestar, yes. Not believing in god is a one-way ticket to hell, despite how good a person you are. It seems that god is more interested in gratifying his own power-trip by requiring his followers to believe and worship him, than he is in how decent people are to each other.

thats y the first 3 ocmmandsments are all about him!! motherfucker sounds a lot like me come to think of it!!

I'm not going to wait and find out if there is a life after death (which there most certainly isn't). I'm going to get cryonically frozen! :cool:

And God is not omnipotent. Can he create a rock that he cannot lift? If yes, he is not omnipotent. If no, he is not omnipotent. Therefore God is not omnipotent.

Sorry, I would love to give you an answer, but that will be up to God on judgement day. He's the only who could say for sure who is going to heaven and who is going to hell.

Stingy Jack and I discussed this on another thread. My answer is 'Yes, he could. If he wanted to.' And by 'if he wanted to', I mean could, but he would have to temporarily limit his own omnipotence in order to make the rock to heavy to lift.

Fluff, your posts on this thread lead me to believe you have a very distorted view of Christianity. I don't know where you get most of your info or how you came to these assumptions, but that is certainly not the case.

First of all, the collection is optional. No one is forcing anyone to put any money in the basket. (I don't, due to the fact that I simply can not afford it. I scrape by each month to my bills.)

Second of all, the Pope does not get that money, it generally goes to routine church upkeep and maintenance.

Third, if those people do those things and then go to church, that doesn't mean they will go to heaven. (In Catholicism for sure, maybe other religions within Christianity too, but I'm not positive about them.) They need to confess their sins. Simply going to church does not accomplish that.

yup thats it. what excuses do atheist use when they do terrible things?
like murder, rape, steal, commit adultery, start wars commit genocide etc cause shock horror! atheist do all those things as well you know. and how have ibeen any more horrible or insulting as any atheist here? 99% of atheist here have one time or another have insulted christians here. like one member here pm'ed me ( i won't mention their name ) they said that they can't get how people go on and on when someone says something racist, yet nothing is said about people who insults someone faith. which to some can be just as offencive as the "N" word..

thats how tolerant you people come across. someone who is quite liked here doesn't want to argue the point here cause he is worried about being banned.
way to go.

for one christians don't sit around inchurch allday waiting for thier life to end so they can go to heaven. they actually go out and enjoy life as well
and two. did god create a rock he couldn't lift?.........no
so he keeps his omnipotent title :)

i get my info from mormons, witnesses, and catholics ive talked to. havent met to many christians though. actually i did meet a christian in college and did a couple bible studys with her. only 2-3 though

1) yes collectoin is optional however in catholic tradition, not so much now, but in the past was to forgive your sins.

2) so how does the Pope live the wya he does? he doesnt exactly live in a trailor.... perhaps he takes up stock??

3) and dont try to get me on little technicalities. going to church, going to church to confess sins.. not much of a difference.. at least in catholic fiath all you have to do is communion (eat the bread) which is the same thing.

one about 70% goes to the local church andthe rest goes back to the vactican. the catholic church is as rich as it is cause it has been doing this for hindreds of years. plus they own companys such as catipllar etc. and not as if christians religions are the only ones to take donations all faiths do it. even non religous groups do it. and just cause you drink some wine and eat some waffer bread doesn't mean all you sinsare forgiven.

Why is he worried about being banned? Does he intend to be insulting, or does he intend to reasonably argue the point? I, for one, try not to be insulting when I discuss religion. However, when someone inaccurately generalizes atheists the way you have wu, I tend to get upset. False generalizations and stereotypes have no place in a well-founded argument. And I admitted that when I made my first post here, I did it while in a pissed off mood ... basically because I find it trite and tiresome that I constantly have to correct someone who insists on spewing lies under the thinly veiled guise of truth. Particularly when those lies are constructed to portray people who hold the same beliefs I do as horrible, whiny numbskulls. But, I apologized for my remarks -- not because I thought they did not accurately express my feelings, but that they were expressed in an insensitive and boorish manner.

If you want to keep the insults to a minimum, then you should double-check yourself before you start filling this thread with emotionally charged bullshit that seems to have been written just to get a rise out of people. And, if you want to get a rise out of people, don't go complaining when you get it.

See... When I'm talking about your views on Christianity being skewed, that (Points to the Fluff's post.) is exactly what I'm talking about! Everything you are saying is incorrect. Plain and simple.

1) yes collectoin is optional however in catholic tradition, not so much now, but in the past was to forgive your sins.

~~No. It wasn't. The act of confession is one of the 7 holy sacraments, always has been. It'a called the sacrament of penance and it's sole pupose is to confess your sins/cleanse your soul. The collection is a donation to help your church, which the folks giving give up willingly.

2) so how does the Pope live the wya he does? he doesnt exactly live in a trailor.... perhaps he takes up stock??

~~You do not understand that to Catholics, the Pope is the one human being on this Earth that is closer than any other to God. They are more than happy to give financial support to someone of that stature, but as I said, most of the church collection ends up going towards the bills and everyday maintenance.

3) and dont try to get me on little technicalities. going to church, going to church to confess sins.. not much of a difference.. at least in catholic fiath all you have to do is communion (eat the bread) which is the same thing.

~~Wrong again. See answer number one. Receiving communion is taking the body and blood of Christ into yourself. It's a completely different sacrament than penance (That's the one where you confess your sins.) Walking into a church, is just that. If an atheist walks into a church to see a friend get married, does that count as them going to confession? No. There may not be much of a difference to you, but there is a very big difference nonetheless.



Sorry if I am coming off as rude, I really don't intend to. It's just that everything in your post is wrong and I thought I better try to set the record straight. I was raised Catholic by two very conservative Catholic parents. I attended Catholic grade school, some Catholic high school, and I even worked part time late night security at my church for a while, so please don't try to present complete falsities to me and tell me they are true. I know that particular religion inside and out.


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can we please get rid of this thread its only going to lead anger

ffs what a hypocrite

p.s i've never started insulting anyone. and no this person wasn't going to start insulting anyone. and thridly i'm not complaining i'm have four older brothers who are all atheist. so religious insults don't really bother me. like water off a ducks back u might say.all i've done is generlize about atheist. but iguess only certain number of people are allowed to generlize here.

Just face the facts - you dogmatic individuals. There is no meaning or order to life! It is all chaos. You make it up as you go along.

No higher purpose, no master plan, no grand creator watching out for you. You are on your own.

We are alone in the universe. Our destiny is up to US - and each individual human being.

And one day we will OWN the mythical God with our technology. One day we will be the ones creating and designing the universe. Muhahahaha!

yeah real funny





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Anyone know a religious debating team ya'll could direct this bunch to???

when people kill themselves, they go to hell...but what if they were bipolar? or in a hospital, when someone has to make a choice whether to pull the plug on a loved one, decided to do it, would that be murder and would they go to hell?

There are so many "what ifs?" involved with religion of any kind, I have chosen not to partake in it.

Yeah. It's called 'free will'. In no way does that conflict with the ideas of Christianity. Except for that part about being alone in the universe, that's just an assumption you made.

If someone is mentally ill enough to kill themself, I do not think they would go to Hell. (In fact, I'm pretty sure the Catholic church said about a decade ago that they would not, reason being they are not of sound mind.) Fact is, nobody that kills themself is 100% sane at the time they do it.

The euthenasia question is a bit more touchy... I believe the Catholic church's stance to be that is that if the machines are the only things keeping the person alive anymore, then it is not a sin to pull the plug , because in reality, that person's time was up, but we are prolonging it through medical science... If they unplug the machines and the person continues breathing and living on their own, then any further steps to kill this person would not be considered okay.

i think i gettcha! thanks!
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