you are a very angry person

yuo were in your first post in this thread and yuo are at the end of it.

try rereading the post from the beginning and see how civil everyone was, then look at your post calling people against you stupid and how they should be ashamed of themselves....

As I said before ............ I apologize. I guess I was out of line by
bringing the mods in on this. Arioch's right I have not been here long enough to pass judgement on the mods. So once again I apologize to Bloodrayne,Arioch,and Zwoti.

I was a little torqued because that person really chaps my ass.



nuff said

Well, the only thing that Gothic Chick said in response to my situation was "Blah, blah, blah! The same old list of excuses by someone who refuses to take responsibility and kills his baby for no other reason than selfishness" or something like that. I would quote it directly, but it is too far back in the thread for me to locate.

Gothic Chick, you said that I should "Thank God" at one point. I am going to make an assumption here that may be completely off ... but I'm going to make it anyway. I take it you believe in God (most people who are pro-choice do). If this is so, then what is the problem with sending the unborn baby off to heaven? He (or she) would never have known about the horrors of the real world, nor ever get the opportunity to sin and ruin his chances at eternal life with God. As it is, the fetus got a free ticket to paradise! So ... why are you so adamant about it's death? (That is, if you believe in God.)

I could argue here that your steadfast pro-choice position is not entirely selfless. You are the type of person who would not be able to live with herself if she knew she played any role in an abortion. Which is why you would disown your daughter if she chose to have an abortion (I think that is what you said ... maybe it was less committed than that. Maybe it was more like: "I would refuse to allow it.") Even so, is this not a selfish standpoint? You would rather force your own daughter to do something she does not want to do because you are against the idea, and would not be able to bear it. And, you insist on pushing this same self-centered viewpoint on everyone around you. You can't stand it that other people get abortions, and you want to stop it ... so you can feel good. That's pretty selfish.

Also, I do not agree with the viewpoint that every life is sacred and deserves to be saved. There are millions of people allive today who do nothing but drag the rest of us down. Okay, so a baby is innocent. But, you have to look past your emotions. Think of the consequences that would arise if we made abortion illegal, and assumed that NO women aborted their unwanted pregnancies. Think about that. In my case, I would have to have either gone on welfare, or went homeless. Both of which tax society. And that is just one case! I imagine that my situation occurs in countless families, everyday. You would rather see all of these families go homeless, or on welfare (which you and I have to pay for, mind you), than be allowed to live a fuller, happier life by being allowed the option to choose to abort an accidental pregnancy? Think of how fast our society would plummet down the toilet! Sure, we're saving all the babies ... but now, they're growing up poor, uneducated, and running rampant in the streets! While the rest of us have to pick up second and third jobs just to afford to live since much of our money will be going to support these kids. Then, once we're all working all of these extra jobs, family-time is gone. Our kids end up having to raise themselves ... and 9 times out of then, those kids become criminals as well.

But ... save the cute, innocent babies. Forget all that other stuff. It is not imoprtant.

*tears in my eyes*

beautiful stingy. simply beautiful!!

Wanna do it? ;)

I really need to start paying attention to what is going on

why not!!

just to let u know though... if something happens... im aborting it! not gonna give it a horrible life when in just 5-6 years i could give it a much much more stable one ;)

The bottom line is, it is VERY unlikely that abortion will ever become illegal. It would be political suicide for anyone to make that a law.

I was going to say something here, but it would be totally tasteless and piss many people off. So I will be good. ;)

And personal suicide for many accidental would-be mothers.

dont be a girly man.............

I am a girly man. I can't help it.


No, really. It was too crude, even for me. I like to be somewhat dignified.






























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Oops. I sharted. :)

was thinking the same thing

jay, hell... basically, it was smelling a bit SFF for a while. lol i could explain why but im lazy but yeh it kinda smelt like that

stingy: FINE! BE girly! but i am curious.. maybe PM to me? i dont tell anyone!! im good at keeping online secrets.

keyword: online ;)

Thank you...That was very considerate...I accept...and I TOLD Arioch you were one of the good ones...I love being right ;) :)

Goddamn well thought out! Good form, Stingy. Damn that was well put...

So, me being young explains everything? Oh really? Please, enlighten me.

"Get outa the closet!"? What closet?

The more you speak, the less sense you make.

"This is the last time I'll ever speak directly to you." Nice cop out. Instead of arguing, you just say "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm better than you, therefore, I'm not going to bother to respond to you". That's very, very cheap.

I've seen very, very few logical arguments in this thread from you and A LOT of personal attacks.

I love Arioch's enthusiasm for my responses. It makes my day.

For those who believe that abortion is an acceptable option for those women who have been unfortunate victims of rape or incest, think about this:

Less than 1% of women who are raped, actually become pregnant.

I used to agree, that abortion was an acceptable option for those who have been raped, until I learned this fact. Now i'm totally against abortion in ALL cases.

I dont understand why that fact changes your opinion....:confused:

So you would still force that 1% of women to bear the child?

I agree. Why would it be different if more women got pregnant by rape? What does the number of women have to do with it? It still happens to some women.

I wouldn't force anyone to bear a child. I'm just saying that I think adoption would be a better option for a woman who's been raped and does not want the child. Especially since a woman who has been raped is very unlikely to become pregnant (Less than 1% of woman who have been raped do)

Like I said in one of my earlier post. I'm against abortion in ALL cases. However I don't believe that gives me the right to make others have the same belief.

I know that some women get raped. I also know that some of these women become pregnant. What I'm saying is that less than 1% of the raped women actually become pregnant. So if say 50 woman got raped, that means only about 1 of them would actually become pregnant.

What really shapes my view is the fact that one of my best friends happened to be a 'result' of a rape. What if his mom had decided to abort him?

that's my 2 c. i'm done with this topic. by the way I'm sorry if I offended anyone and I respect all of your opinions, even if I happen to disagree with them. 'We all just need to agree to disagree'

laterz

Thank you. There are some people in this thread who would force feed other people their ideas and ideals.

I didn't mean to sound like I was personally attacking you, I'm sorry if it came out like that. I just get very defensive in situations where someone would rather take away freedoms than let people make their own choices.

You're cool in my book, don't worry about it.

what are the points of what ifs?

just as u can say 'what if my best friends mom had aborted him instead' u can say 'what if jeffrey dahmers mom had aborted him'

not attacking u but just saying all htis what if is pointless.

LOL...He IS rather hyper :D
There isn't any point in allowing yourself to get all pissed off...This is an internet forum...We aren't going to change the world here...Or most likely, not even each other's opinions...We should be able to state our opinions, even give our reasons for those opinions, and not fight with or insult those who do not share those same opinions...It's a discussion, not a battle...Keep it in perspective:) (and Arioch...Before you call me a hypocrite, I can get pissed off at YOU, as you do at me, that's different than arguing on the internet, even though I can't change YOUR mind either, just as you can't change mine:))
@ Orangestar...I believe his point was that, as many people have exhibited here, abortion is more acceptible in cases of rape or incest...However...Hundreds of rape/incest abortions are being used to justify MILLIONS of abortions overall...That would be my analysis of his post

I have never been in that situation, so I guess I can't really tell someone what to do.
But my view is if you are ready and responsible enough to spread your legs, then be ready to push out that baby.

If you were raped/ taken advantage of by like, your father or something, then that's another valid reason.

But I don't want to get yelled at, so I will stop there.

Hmm. I live in Eaton Rapids, rae pierre. Closest I've seen yet on here.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: OMG!! I DIDN'T THINK CONSERVATIVES COULD THINK THAT WAY! Bravo to you HC, if all conservatives we're as non-oppresive in their OWN beliefs i wouldn't have ANY problem with them at all. Goddamn that made my day....

*wonders off talking to self*

Goddamn a conservative that lets other people believe differently....ill tell ya......this world is quite a place.....

LoL at Arioch

Make that 2. I tend to be a bit on the conservative side, but I really make a conscious effort to look at every issue from all sides. One thing I understand, when debating, most of the time, you will not change that person's mind. I keep that in mind and try to keep my debates as non-offensive as possible.

:D

I think that abortion should be completely legal, but only after the child has been born and hits their teenage years.

For real, i can appreciate that. Most of the Conservatives ive talked (fucking screamed my head off at) to tend to look at the issues, and approach the debate, with the idea of recruiting others to their ideas.

Its kinda wierd....like people who call you when your 18 asking you to join the army....its cool that it can be just a discussion with you guys, and that you dont try to change peoples minds about it, because in a debate, its really impossible isn't it?

Yeah, it's a lost cause. Especially in debates about topics of this nature. (I might be able to persuade someone into agreeing that Skittles are better than M&Ms or something, but getting them to believe in God or change their view on abortion is another story. You know what I'm sayin? Lol.)

Anyways, I know the stubborn conservatives you are talking about because both my mom and dad fall into the catergory. I debate/argue them almost constantly about this whole ordeal in Iraq and the Middle East. (They fully support everything Bush does just because he is a republican president in much the same they had a major problem with everything Clinton did.) Their stubborness blinds them to the obvious fact that we went into Iraw under false pretenses. They look at it as 'Saddam was a bad guy. It's better for the world for him to be gone.' Which I agree with, BUT I also look at it as 'We were lied to. Our reason for being there was false, so what's the real reason we went in?' The answer is disturbing. No one is going to say Saddam wasn't a bad guy, but he wasn't the worst. Iran and North Korea are both countries that were bigger threats to our national security than Iraq at the time we went in.

That's all, I'm beginning to ramble so I'm gonna cut myself off right there.

EXACTLY!!!!!God i know SO many people this way...Democrats too!

Thanks. For you, I'll try and be more tolerant of others.

That was really sweet...and we should ALL be "more tolerant of others"..So, thanks again :)

When you get to the point of "screaming your head off", no one is listening anymore...So, screaming tends to be a bit ridiculous and unproductive...Perhaps you should consider expressing your views in a more rational manner...Not that people are more likely to change their own opinions to suit you, BUT, they may be more willing to listen to yours:)