I wouldn't say Gone With the Wind is over-rated, but it hasn't aged well. It's conspicuously absent from the top nominations, and I suspect that's why.

Casablanca, is a phenomenal example of a troubled production that managed to become one of the most popular films of all times. Amidst the wartime background is the steamy story of an ill-fated romance, rekindled with such passion that little else matters, and yet Rick's innate morality wins out, as he sacrifices his own happiness in order to make sure Ilsa and her husband make it to safety, ensuring the success of the war resistance. Add to that the sparkling dialogue, with many examples of witty exchanges, contrasted with the stark emotion of Rick's pain.

Bogart's soliloquy brings a tear to my eye every time. "Of all the gin joins in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine..." You SEE the tears he's holding back. It's the performance of his career.

Add to THAT, the many memorable characters such as Claude Rains' duplicitous police chief, Peter Lorre's slimy toadie and Sidney Greenstreet's masterful turn that made him a star and resulted in a series of films teaming him with Lorre.

Citizen Kane is hard for many viewers to relate to today, I think, because it's a very cold film, and everything today passion and emotion, where everything must be FELT. It's an intellectual film chronicling the downfall of a corrupt powerful man, who sacrificed everything for money and power, especially his emotions , and anyone who got close to him. Quite a daring film in its day when William Randolph Hearst was still very much in power, its impact may be somewhat lessened today when many don't even know who he is. However, it's superbly crafted, impeccably shot, and it makes its point with a savage force.


Yah, I got that. You might have noticed I said "Yes I know I just cherry picked a single sentence from your entire post, ignoring the rest." Did you see that? I also ended the entire thing with a wink - ::wink::

I'm going to take a lot of pot shots at various statements throughout this entire process. I hope people don't take them too seriously. I'll endeavor to keep things somewhat lighthearted. wink wink ::wink:: ::wink::

I could not have said it better.

Yeah, I saw that, but I figured I would clarify, just in case.

I don't have a problem with any of the mentioned movies being on the list.

I'm not crazy about Cassablanca to be honest, but that has more to do with the genre than the quality of the movie itself, which is why I won't object to it. I may be a woman, but I've never cared much for the romance genre - the idea of taking something from "real life" and turning it into something so unrealistic makes it hard for me to relate to it.

Boy, am I going to be reminded by the rest of you that I said that, when I get to my defence of a certain movie from my own list... ::big grin::

Though apart from Schindler's List none of the Top voted films made into my top 20 but I like to strongly stand for Citizen Cane here. I think NE & metternich already defined it beautifully & actually can't add anything more. All I can say is it'll be a shame for us as ardent movie lovers if we failed to give its desired place in the Final Top 100 compilation.

I'm not against at all such awesome entertaining films like Raiders of the Lost Ark & Star Wars: New Hope and may it's just me but whenever I see films like this competing with films like Schindler's List, Citizen Cane & many other unquestionably brilliant films then I feel it may be better to have some categories in the final compilation...like the way we did in The Sub-Genres of Horror list, i.e. Cinematic Excellence, Most Beloved or Popular Films, Director's Cut etc.

Bogart's best (and career defining) role was in The Maltese Falcon, IMO. Apart from his absolutely brilliant performance as the brooding Sam Spade, and supported ably by an equally impressive supporting cast, the film itself is undoubtedly a milestone in cinema history, because it paved the way for all mystery/noir films to come, and also commercialised the femme fatale character in a huge way.

Ask me to choose, and I would pick this over Casablanca any day.

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Anyway, looks like the majority are in favor of the most-nominated films.

If Villain waives Citizen Kane through, we can move on.

I still think Citizen Kane is on here for the wrong reasons but I'll OK it so we can move on

Not gonna lie, I'm entirely against Raiders of the Lost Ark in the list, maybe as an honourable mention just to satisfy nostalgia, but I'm not a fan at all. Star Wars is a little more iconic and has a stronger cast with some fine individual performances, so I'm less against it. But if I wanted an Alec Guinness performance in my top 100, it would have been Kind Hearts and Coronets or The Mudlark, not Star Wars. Not going to vote against either movie, because I really don't think its worth it, just wanted to voice my opinion.

Regarding Citizen Kane, its just a flat out quality film, good story, great acting and a story that resonates and has a really beautifully written script. They are all personal opinions however and I don't expect everyone to agree with them, but I'd like to just make one more point for people to consider while we are making up our final list. When we talk about how film x changed cinema or influenced a genre just be aware that no movie in cinema history influenced its predecessors as much as Citizen Kane. Orson Welles provided the blueprint and has influenced just about every director that came after him, whether they knew it or not.

Okay, I think the majority are in favor of the topmost nominated ones so they all snuggle themselves into the final 100.


Moving on, here are the SEVEN films with 4 nominations each:



Arguments/objections/votes for/against, if any? Majority decides.

If not, then we can waive all SEVEN films through and move on to the next set.

I'm pro all the above movies with the exception of The Matrix.... Is it a good movie? Yes. Is it one of the best 100 movies ever made? No. Again, I'm not going to vote against it, because its going to get in anyway. The fact that it made so many peoples top 20 movies of all time is a surprise to me, but then again these things always surprise me.

I'm good with moving them on.

As those wonderful Nike adbots would say...

Just Do It

Totally agree. It's really odd to see Matrix is standing along with them.

I have to agree with you there.... and it does seem a bit pointless to try to argue against a movie that got that many votes already. However, there's already 3 of us who don't seem to agree with that choice, so maybe there IS a reason to debate it?

It doesn't seem impressive anymore but when The Matrix came out it was pretty groundbreaking and was very influential. I think it gets a bad reputation due to the horrible sequels that followed. The first movie though had a great story, exciting and fresh visuals and started a trend of sci-fi action films. It looks strange among the other movies listed but I'd argue its inclusion.

I'm good with the rest of the movies as well.

I am not a big fan of weterns, but I am fine with those choices. Of the ones I have seen, they were all tremendous films.

I have to disagree strongly. unlike my minor criticisms of Star Wars, I have literally no criticisms of this film. In my opinion, it is without a doubt one of the greatest science fiction films ever made. The special effects were amazing for the time. I believe they did things never done before. The performances were all amazing. They added the perfect compment to the film. It was interesting to see the evolution of Keanu Reeves as Neo from the start to the end when he finally accepts who he is. Joe Pantolino was excellent as the devious Cypher. I thought the whole regret motive was perfect. And, of course, the main villain Agent Smith played by Hugo Weaving. Definitely an amazing performance and excellent addition to the list of science fiction villains. I especially love his whole speech to Morpheus in the skyscraper. Then, you have Laurence Fishborne as Morpheus, who had a unexplainable, sinister element to him, which I loved. Those are the most noteworthy performances and they all added the perfect element to the film. Then, you have the story, which was appropriately complex and interesting. While there are certain logical questions, it remains an excellent premise. One that I have always found especially mind bending. Related to this, the film is absolutely loaded with philosophy. This topic alone could be the topic of an entire book. Questions like what is reality, does fate exist, and much more. I also loved the whole "Alice in Wonderland" theme. I have always been a fan of dark films and there is no doubt that this is one both in theme and visuals. The atmosphere is absolutely perfect. The rain sequences were magnificent. The score perfectly complements the film as well. To be honest, I could go on and on. Is this film good? It's not just good, it is a masterpiece. I would place it in a top 20 list any day without a second thought.

Again, I have to wonder what else is coming up... We're choosing our top 100, and if I remember correctly, there are something like 269 films on the master list. What happens when we've passed through 50 films with little comment, and we've only got 50 spots left, with over 200 films to pick through?

We can put those films which don't feel like belonging into the final list, in a backburner, and come back to debate them when there's a race for the final spots. See how these films, which don't feel like they are good enough to pair up with the rest, stack up against those films which got only 1-2 nominations but are excellent ones.

Of course, that would mean taking Raiders, Star Wars, Citizen Kane and Matrix to the backburner, since these 4 films have received objections till now.

IMO if everyone knew what films are on the master list, they would be more selective on what films they pass each round.

I know what you mean. In the (Horror by decade list) per decade approach, we saw all the possibilities, so we knew what films we were comparing each individual film to. In that way, it was a very nifty process approach. We don't have that here. As I know you know, we're sacrificing (at least so far) that upfront comparison in order to include all worthy films without the horridly arbitrary cutoff of a decade.

However, V is telling us, unlike the stringent cutoff deadline of the per decade process, we can reconsider these films at a later date.

Still, I think Never has a point. V, would you consider posting a link to the entire list (if it's not a lot of work). At least then everyone CAN see all the choices, and end the discomforting thought that an informed comparison isn't being made. (Logically, a list of 200 some films is hard to process, but it still accomplishes the task).


Matrix -
Let me join Metternich in my very high praise of the all-around film quality of The Matrix. In these great films we're looking at, most of us see very few flaws. In the Matrix, I see no major film flaws. On the contrary, I think it's a masterpiece of film, extremely high quality craft in all areas- impactful premise, story telling, character development, suspense, martial arts, stunts, action, sets, costumes, cinematography, sound, special effects and heart.

Of course, let everyone judge themselves, but I think some objections to these "top rated" films comes from a personal lack of interest (or distaste) in the subject matter. Something to watch in oneself.

* I'm fine with these films.

Once Upon a Time in the West -
I watched this film in it's entirety recently. I wasn't impressed with it. As others have offered, I also am not going to place an Objection to it. I freely admit, it wasn't that I thought the quality of the film craft was poor... I just didn't find the story or characters compelling. This film is highly regarded by critics and the general public. But I'm willing to step up and say, there are 100s of films that are technically sound, and so more is required from a film to make a Top 20 or Top 100... for me it's not there. But I'm obviously one of the few who find it so.

So be it.

Posting the entire Master List in the next post, along with the number of nominations each film has received (if more than ONE).

I have been really sick for the past week or so. Might have to get admitted in the hospital for a few days if the present meds don't work. Right now I can barely keep my eyes open. If anyone wants to take up the project from here on, feel free. I might not give this the required time.

Here is the complete Master List of all 228 films, together with the number of nominations:-

12 Angry Men (1957) - 2
12 Rounds
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - 4
21 Jump Street
8 ½ (1963)
9#11
A CHRISTMAS CAROL
A Few Good Men - 2
A Fistful of Dollars
A HARD DAY'S NIGHT
Alice in Wonderland (2010)
Amadeus (1984)
Amelie (2001)
ANDREI RUBLEV
Annie Hall
Apocalypse Now - 2
Argo
Avatar
Back To The Future (1985) - 3
Back to the Future Part II
Ben Hur
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Black Swan (2010)
Blade Runner [1982] - 2
Blazing Saddles
Bonnie & Clyde - 2
Bottle Rocket
Braveheart
BRAZIL
Breaking The Waves (1996)
Broadcast News
Bugsy Malone (1976)
Casablanca (1942) - 7
Casino
Chinatown - 2
Citizen Kane (1941) - 5
City Lights
Close Encounters Of The Third Kind (1977) - 2
Coach Carter
Come and See (1985)
Cool Hand Luke
Crash
CROSS OF IRON
DAMNATION
Dancer In The Dark (2000)
Dances With Wolves (1990)
Dazed and Confused
Dear John
Die Hard - 3
Django Unchained
Dog Day Afternoon (1975) - 3
Double Indemnity (1944)
Dr. Strangelove (1964) - 4
Drowning By Numbers (1988)
Duck Soup
Duck You Sucker
Dumbo
Dune (1984)
E.T. The Extra Terrestrial
Edward Scissorhands (1990) - 3
Enemy At The Gates
Erin Brockovich
Escape From New York
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) - 2
Fargo - 2
Fight Club
Fitzcarraldo (1982)
FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE
Forrest Gump
Friday
Gandhi
Gettysburg
Glengarry Glen Ross - 2
Glory
Gone With The Wind (1939) - 3
GoodFellas
Gran Torino
Gravity - 2
Groundhog Day
Harold and Maude
HELP!
I, Robot
Inception - 2
Independence Day - 2
Iron Will
It's a Wonderful Life - 3
Kill Bill [2003]
La Bamba (1987)
Labyrinth
LAURA
Lawrence Of Arabia (1962) - 2
Legend
Live Free or Die Hard [2007]
Mac and Devin go to High School
MASH
Metropolis (1927) - 4
Modern Times
Monty Python & The Holy Grail [1975] - 3
Mulholland Drive (2001)
Music Man
Mystic River
Nightmare Alley (1947)
North By Northwest (1959) - 2
NORTH TO ALASKA
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Old Yeller (1957)
On Golden Pond
Once
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) - 4
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - 3
PAPILLION
Paths of Glory
Philadelphia (1993)
Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End (2007)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl - 2
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Mans Chest (2006)
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011)
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Platoon
Princess Mononoke [1997]
Pulp Fiction - 3
Punch Drunk Love
Raging Bull - 2
Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981) - 7
Raising Arizona
RAN
Rashomon (1950) - 2
Rear Window
Road To Perdition
Rocky (1976) - 2
Romeo & Juliet [1996]
Rushmore
SATANTANGO
Saving Private Ryan - 3
Schindler's List (1993) - 5
Scum (1977)
Seven Samurai (1954) - 2
Singing in the Rain
Sleeping Beauty
Spartacus
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) - 2
Star Trek Into Darkness
Star Wars (1977) - 6
Steel Magnolias
StreetBallers
Sunset Boulevard (1950)
Super Troopers
Superman
Taxi Driver
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - 2
The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen (1988)
The African Queen
THE APARTMENT
The Avengers
The Bicycle Thief (1948)
The Blind Side
The Boondock Saints
THE COMANCHEROS
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover (1989)
The Crow
The Dark Knight - 2
The Day After Tomorrow
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (Robert Wise)
THE DEER HUNTER
The Departed - 2
The Descendents
The Elephant Man (1980) - 2
The Empire Strikes Back - 3
The Fifth Element [1997]
The Fountain (2006)
THE GETAWAY (Sam Peckinpah)
The Godfather (1972) - 4
The Godfather II
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - 2
The Goonies (1985)
The Grapes of Wrath
THE GREAT ESCAPE
The Great Race
The Green Mile (1999)
The Hunt For Red October [1990]
The Hurt Locker
The Karate Kid
The Lion King - 2
THE LONGEST DAY
The Lord of the Rings - 2
The Magnificent Seven [1960]
The Matrix - 4
The Music Room (1958)
The Naked Civil Servant (1975)
The Naked Gun [1988]
The Neverending Story
The Patriot
THE PIANIST
The Piano Teacher (2001)
The Princess Bride - 2
The Quiet Man (John Ford film)
The Shawshank Redemption (1994) - 4
The Social Network
THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER
The Sting
The Ten Commandments (1956)
The Terminator - 3
The Third Man (1949)
The Wild Bunch - 2
The Wizard Of Oz (1939) - 5
The X-Men
THIS IS SPINAL TAP - 2
Thunderheart (1992)
Time Bandits (1981)
Titanic - 3
To Kill A Mockingbird - 3
Tombstone [1993]
Toy Story
Trainspotting
Tron [1982]
Twelve Monkeys (1995) - 3
Unforgiven (1992) - 2
Up (2009)
Vertigo (1958) - 3
Walk The Line
Wall-E
Warrior
We Were Soldiers
When Harry Met Sally
Wild Strawberries (1957)
Willow (1988)
Yellow Submarine

Thanks for posting the list, V. It's quite an interesting collection of films. And now I see I need to gather my energy to fight for my lone nomination of a stellar adaptation of one of the greatest pieces of Western Literature, The Grapes of Wrath, against some truly awful drek that got multiple votes





::wink:: <------- Look, see, I'm WINKING, okay? So back off, you Pirates of the Caribbean freaks!

Take care of yourself, V! We'll wait for your return, a please be well!

Get well soon, buddy! We're not in any sort of hurry here. Take your time, the whole process requires much time, discussion & sophisticated approach that you've done marvelously so far in plenty of earlier projects, so this can't be possibly done nicely without your guidelines & efforts, IMO.

Meantime, we all can go through the list, check and verify carefully & try to give another thoughts about which should be added or deleted for the final list as well as we can have new discussions about a particular movie or another set of films.

ROFL! ::big grin::

Ok guys, here's a proposition I like to share with you...

As long V's going through his recovery, we can continue some discussions/debate from where he can later take some necessary notes/points and update both the list of Final Top 100 selection & the list of backburners.

Now, my proposition is...we all, one by one chose 5 Great Films from the above master list that weren't in your submitted Top 20 but you like to or won't mind to see them in the final compilation.

After each set of 5 films from a member, we'll have some discussions (like we already have so far) about what other members thinks regarding the chosen 5's worthiness to be part of Top 100.

NOTE: PLEASE DON'T PICK ANY OF THE SELECTED FILMS FROM V'S SUBMITTED FIRST 2 SETS AS WE ALREADY HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEM.

From the above master list, here's my chosen 5 Great films that weren't in my submitted Top 20 but I'll love/like to or at least won't mind to see them making into the final 100:

Lawrence Of Arabia (1962)
To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
A Clockwork Orange (1971)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
GoodFellas (1990)

The reason I didn't pick them earlier into my submitted Top 20 to V is, I believed there are couple of number of brilliant films that will eventually make into the master list with or without my suggestions and the above 5 are some of them. My plan was to give them necessary back up & my full support whenever requires. Now, please feel free to discuss about them and share your opinion regarding whether they should be in the final 100 or not. Or you have any objections regarding any of them.

Moreover, please let me know here if you guys think this idea isn't good enough and we all should take some time & wait for V's return whenever he comes back in good shape. And for that, I'll agree too. I only shared the idea just to keep continue the debate/discussions, so that we can make some progress meantime.

I hope everything's OK and you get better V.

Good idea Roshiq. Here's my 5

A Clockwork Orange
12 Angry Men
Close Encounters of The Third Kind
Fight Club
Platoon

Thanks & Great selection, Villain! I've no complain against them, moreover really glad to see some support for my one of the very favorite films...12 Angry Men.

Btw, you didn't mention what you think of my chosen 5...agree/disagree or whether you have any objection for any of them to see in the final list??

Hoping and praying that the meds work, V!

I agree... on the other hand, if the majority here are already in support of a specific movie, then that's very hard to argue against.

To be honest, there are not a lot of movies on the list so far that I think are top 100 movies - but I know how popular, and in some cases influential they are - and I know that that is exactly what everyone is going to tell me if I object to any of them.

Also - if a movie already has an amount of votes that shows us that most of the participants are in favour of it, then my opinion doesn't and shouldn't matter. Just like one of "my" movies shouldn't be on the list if I am the only one backing it - however, if there ARE any spots left on the list when we get to all the movies with one or two supporters, some of us might have looked through the list and thought "hmm, I didn't think of that one!". It's a bit of a shame if we don't get to do that, as we will end up with a list full of all the "obvious" choices.

I still think that it would make sense to debate The Matrix, as it seems that a handful of us don't think it belongs on the list.

Aww, I think that's the nicest thing you've called me since I joined this forum! ::big grin::

Thanks Roshiq. I love 12 Angry Men, its an amazingly acted and moving movie that everyone should see.

As for your list I agree with all your selections

I must admit, I honestly don't remember what all was in my list ::confused:: I must have keep sent messages turned off. I'll try to think about it and pick 5 I don't remember voting for.

LOL, I'm in the same boat!

Sorry to hear you aren't doing too good V, hope you get well soon! The Top 100 will still be here when you get back though!

As for where we're at right now, I'll try and throw a list together of movies that I didn't vote for, but I also think its a good idea for people to start making their cases for the movies they voted for that have been overlooked.... Like Bela Tarr's 7 hour epic, Sátántangó, or Kurosawa's Rashomon or Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev. 'Foreign' movies can be awesome too, its not just The Matrix that rocks. ::roll eyes::

There are some bloody awful movies on that master list too, some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves. ::stick out tongue::

I guess you were the other person who voted for 12 Angry Men then. ::cool::

Here is my list:

Twelve Monkeys- An excellent, mind-bending film with an excellent story and a solid cast. the film contains an interesting exploration of the topic of fate. Further, I love how the line between fiction and reality is unclear. Through most of the movie you are not sure if this is real or the delusions of a maniac.

The Terminator- A classic science fiction film from the 1980s. I honestly did not include it on my list because I was not sure if it was horror. The film has elements of romance, horror, science fiction, and action. Definitely deserving of a place.

Blade Runner- A dark science fiction story based on a work by noted science fiction author Phillip K. Dick. If I recall correctly, this was the only film based on his works that he had seen and he loved it. There were some excellent performances particularly by Harrison Ford and the atmosphere was beautiful. Also, there was some amazing special effects in the film that really brought the world created by Dick alive.

GoodFellas- A quintessential gangster movie. Casino has always been my personal favorite of the Scorsese gangster films, but I definitely see why this film is so loved. Some terrific performances by all involved. It is fascinating to watch the evolution of the main character played by Ray Liotta. This film really helps to illuminate organized crime and why people decide to go into this line of "work".

12 Angry Men- Sadly, I have yet to see this film, but from what I know, it is an absolutely terrific film. For this reason, I will also support it in this list.

(If you can't tell I am a big science fiction lover)

Now, for films that were in my list, but I would like to bring special attention to.

Duck Soup- An absolute classic of comedy. This film is perhaps the best of the Marx Brothers films. It is particularly noteworthy as it is a criticism of dictatorship and war. This is interesting because this is a few years before the launch of the second World War. As with other films by the Marx Brothers, the film was definitely progressive and did things that were questionable for film in the 1930s. A worthy inclusion on this list.

Back to the Future- This film is a quintessential 80s movie. The plot does not entirely make sense and has logical problems, but that is the point. It is clearly referencing the crazy science fiction films of the 1950s and, to top it off, that is the decade they travel back to. The film also contains some excellent performances by Chrsitpher Lloyd as Doc Brown and Michael J. Fox as Martin McFly. Some may say it is not great enough to be included, but I have to disagree. It may not belong in the top 20, but it definitely belongs on the list, in my opinion.

Vertigo- This is perhaps Hitchcock's best non-horror film. It is fascinating to see the main character played by Jimmy Stewart go through the film. You really feel for his character. The film really draws one in and you are on the edge of your seat until the very end. The ending alone is enough for inclusion. Sadly, the film was a failure in its own day, which is sad because it really is an excellent picture.

Dumbo- I figured this list should have at least one Disney movie. It was difficult to choose one, but this is the one I went with (Snow White and the Seven Dwarves would have been a good choice as well). The film had an interesting storyline which centered around an elephant that was teased because his ears were larger than normal. The film discretely was a criticism of racism. As with racism, Dumbo was picked on purely for looking different. This message is even more clear with the crow scene (and one was even named Jim Crow!). That scene is considered one of the first that did not portray a stereotype of African Americans. Originally the film was to be the cover of Time Magazine, but Pearl Harbor happened, preventing this from ever taking place. Definitely a worthy film for inclusion.

Titanic- I know many will disagree with me, but, other than the clichéd romance, this really is an amazing film. I love Cameron's direction, it really draws one in. Even though the romance is a little unoriginal, there is something about it that makes it more interesting than it should be. The film is also an incredibly accurate vision of sailing and sinking of that great ocean liner. In fact, it is probably the most accurate vision. Throughout the film, there are many references to the time its set, which make it appear more realistic. On that note, the film is visually stunning and contains some of the best historical costumes of a period piece, in my opinion. The music that accompanies the film is absolutely beautiful as well. It complements the film perfectly. A year or two ago they re-released the film in 3-D and, I have to say, that was some of the best 3-D I have ever seen. Sorry, for the long defense on this one, it is just this film receives more hate than I think it should, so I wanted to preemptively protect it.

By the way, roshiq, great selections. I completely agree with them all. Definitely worthy inclusions to the list.


I entirely agree with your selections as well. They are definitely worthy films.

I will also join neverending in support for this film.

Yeah, I agree here. Who on Earth would vote for a movie called Mac and Devin go to High School? I don't mean to insult anyone's taste, but that is awful. We might as well compare Shawshank Redemption to the Hangover (joking, of course).

Question for V: There are entries for 12 Monkeys and Twelve Monkeys. Did 12 (Twelve) Monkeys get 2 or three votes?

Corrected. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Master List has 228 films, NOT 229.

Just out of curiosity, which Crash was nominated? The one based on the J.G. Ballard novel or the Oscar winner a few years back?

That's Crash 2004 - the winner of Best Picture (Academy Awards)

I know, because it was on my list.

There's a lot from the Master List I think are worthy. Here's 5 that were in my "more than 20 list" that I like a lot:

Dances With Wolves - If i were to redo my top 20, I'd include Dances and cut Crash. It's beautiful, fascinating, compelling, lot's of heart.
Pulp Fiction - Really liked it a lot. But not entirely sure why. There's no subject matter of importance.
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE - a blaze of fascination and richness
Fight Club - compelling and provocative times 10, and effective
The Lion King - after I saw it, and said to myself, 'this was a really good film'.


Lawrence Of Arabia (1962) - IMO, overrated extraordinaire. Beautiful big screen shots... and at times boring.
To Kill A Mockingbird (1962) - good film and good subject; just see it as one of so many.
A Clockwork Orange (1971) - talked about above.
Apocalypse Now (1979) - fascinating story. The overall film felt a bit unresolved at the end to me.
GoodFellas - entertaining film that pushes buttons, well directed. I felt the subject matter and story was ultimately frivolous.

Not a bad list, here are my specific thoughts on the films:

Dances with Wolves- I have not seen enough nor do I know enough about Dances with Wolves to have an informed opinion. I own it, perhaps I should watch it.

Pulp Fiction- I definitely agree on this one. It is a classic with some excellent performances and equally excellent directing. One of Tarantino's best, in my opinion.

A Clockwork Orange- I agree with everything said on this film. Honestly, I am surprised it was not considered a horror film. In any case, this film definitely deserves inclusion on this list.

Fight Club- I have not seen this film myself, so I cannot really comment much on the film, but I have heard many good things about it and I am sure it would be a worthy inclusion on the list.

The Lion King- I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I have never really liked this film. There are many Disney films that I loved when I was younger, but this is one I could never really get into to.

Ok, here's the 5 movies I've chosen from the master list that was not in my personal list:

A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
I actually considered this movie for my own list, and very nearly included it, so this is a movie I will definitely back :-)

BACK TO THE FUTURE II
The first movie was in my list, and actually I love all 3 of them, so... I think they're all very creative movies that can be enjoyed by all ages.

LABYRINTH
Assuming that this is the one with David Bowie and not another movie of the same name, this is one that could have been in my top 30. I know a lot of people think it's horrible, but I think it's a great fantasy movie, and again... when I don't watch horror, I tend to like more family oriented movies.

SCHINDLERS LIST
I remember when I first saw this movie, the person who wanted me to see it told me that it was a movie that everyone should watch at least once, but that most people wouldn't want to watch more than once. It's certainly a tough movie to get through, it doesn't exactly make you feel good... but it makes you think, and it is extremely well done in every way.

SUPERMAN
If this is the classic 80s movie, and not some remake, then I will definitely back it. I've watched it many times over the years, and although I will admit that it probably hasn't aged too well, I still think it's a great movie, and it was very well done for it's time.