Personally, I'm sick of seeing the remakes, leave the originals BE! They will never ever be as good as the originals!
Friday 13th for example, I didn't like the way they portrayed him to keep that girl (even though she looked like his mum) Jason's character was a cold hearted killer so he would of just sliced and diced her!
As for the new nightmare on elm street.... well... it wasn't Robert Englund so it was bound to be a bit shite ::wink::

There's only one Freddy... having someone else playing him was a terrible mistake, and I'm honestly surprised that that wasn't obvious to everyone.

I agree with CGI and it's overuse.

The Hunter ( none horror film ) is about a man who tracks what is thought to be the extinct Tasmanian Tiger... There is a very brief scene where you see a CGI Tiger and although it's obviously fake, it's not the crux of the film.. up until that point the film relied on good story telling with some nice twists... I think horror could do with learning some restraint when it comes to CGI...The one thing that really annoyed me in the early 00's was CGI gunfire... where you got a fake flame coming from the barrel of the gun and everyone's gun sounded the same.

Nudity in horror is boring, I forget which one it is but one of the wrong turn films where the naked girl gets an arrow through the breast ? I can't remember anything else about that film as it went down hill shortly after that scene.

Bath room mirror scenes annoy me... We've all seen it.. our main character looks in the mirror with nothing in the background, opens the cabinet , takes their meds and closes the panel to where they are greeted by some lunatic with an axe or some such. There have been various attempts at recreating that scene in other locations but when you've seen one, you've seen them all and it makes the film very predictable.

I also believe that what you don't see is a lot more powerful than what you do eventually see...Films that introduce the monster/ creep early doors leave very little to the imagination.

Personally, I like seeing "the monster" - but I think the problem is that we get to look at it too closely, if that makes any sense. Often the monsters aren't particularly convincing, and when that was the case in "the good old days", they simply didn't allow us to see the monster in more than quick sequences, blurry shots, or maybe a close-up of the eyes or something similar.

Nowadays we have plenty of time to study the monster and realise that it's just a long-haired girl in bad makeup (just to make an example).

Yeah I can appreciate that.. The Walking dead for example is some of the best zombie make up I've ever seen and you get to see plenty of it. So it's not always a bad thing.

Re-fakes or the fashionable term reimagining, found footage, cannibal cabins, evil children, people that act in a seriously unreasonable way (hear something odd? Then get to running, don't look). Someone make a realistic horror film where cast does what normal people would do. Wait, then it would be a 5 min movie. Some friends and I have already done that.

That wouldn't be" HELL NO: The Sensible Horror film" would it?

Bloofer

I honestly don't remember the title it was made late 80's maybe early 90's just outside of Regina, SK up here in Canada. Pretty much summarized as this:
2 guys find a book, suggests unnatural events on a farm, they go to the farm in question, walk around a creepy place, hear a noise, then run like hell.

I'm interested in seeing Hell No. Thank you very much for mentioning it.

Back to the thread: another thing beaten like a baby seal in horror films is the claim that it is based on actual events.

Thanks for answering considering that was a real stab in the dark on my part. I've seen it on you tube and either the director or writer's first name is Joe so when you mentioned your movie...

No problem, I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Love being exposed to stuff I didn't know existed. Thanks Bloofer.

Anyone else just tired of vampires? Don't get me wrong, is still love Cushing/Lee & Lugosi. But beyond that. Ok. I admit El Santo & the Vampire Women is great, but sheesh, Twilight was the stake to the heart of that genre.

^Of recent stuff I thought Byzantium was really enjoyable. Let the Right One In was excellent too (remake wasn't too bad either) Unfortunately, I missed the Jim Jarmusch vamp film in the cinema, I would like to see that. Stakeland was fun too.

There are other good Vamp films you didn't mention like Near Dark/Fright night/From Dusk Till Dawn/Shadow of the Vampire/Thirst (the Korean film) among others.

I am tired of exorcism. After watching The Conjuring it seems that it is not possible to make a scary movie about ghosts and exorcism. I prefer weird Japanese Ring-like movies.

Ferox, I need to see Byzantium. I don't dislike vampire stuff, just have yet to come across something scary. Maybe Guilermo with Strain may redeem the genre for me. I did like let the right one in but only the original. Slow pace but built the characterization. It made me care about what happened to the kids. I get jaded though with originals vs remakes. I never like someone else's vision of an original idea. Not usually. I just can't think of a remake off hand that I prefer.

Exorcisms and ghosts. The industry goes in waves. Vampires, ghosts and found footage, exorcism. And on and on. For some reason older say 70's exorcism movies seem scarier than newer stuff despite all being pretty derivative. Antichriso still bothers me despite being an obvious appear to cash in on the exorcist. 80s film I believe.

JPN films for me are successful because of the cultural difference in the story telling process.

That fillm is such a guilty pleasure of mine.

Byzantium isn't scarey and isn't meant to be but it is a good film.

Ferox, I'm going to try to watch Byzantium this weekend if possible. I'm all for a solid story, better if is is scary, but there's been a shortage of really honest to goodness scary films lately.

Glad one other person even knows about Antichristo. The whole black mass goat scene is the kind of thing I expected to see in Lords of Salem.

Here's something else I'm tired off. Home invasions by teenagers. Also I have to say again killer kids: Ils, Eden Lake, Come out and Play, Vinyan....

Groups of young adults in trouble and somehow only one woman survives. Apparently women are much more capable of surviving. I can say with full certainty though that my girlfriend is much smarter than I am. And she's leggy so she can sprint that much faster.

Oooh, one more: movies which are blatant attempts to cash in on horror inspired trends: World War Z. As in zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jaysus, you're not slagging of Eden Lake are you..lol.
I love killer kids films - Have you seen Who Can Kill a Child?. Also the more recent British seasonal uplifter, The Children is great. How can you not love these pint size terrors.

Never heard of Come out and Play though...

It's the remake of Who Can Kill a Child?.

Not good.

Roshique
Good point with it being a remake. It should have been called Who Can Kill My Time?

How's this for an addition:
Running zombies or really bad CGI zombies ie I Am Legend (although not really zombies or vampires, whatever), World War Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Throw in people in horror movies that apparently have never seen a horror film and are grossly unaware or what is going on.

Love FRIGHT NIGHT 1985. My middle name is Mrs.Jerry Dandridge.(tee hee)

May have been brought up before. I love found footage films and the like but am very tired of the "bass or white noise" and distorted picture as a sort of a heralding that things are going south very soon.

Just watched You're Next so something i'm tired of is Home Invasion movies in general. They're all the same

For the record, I enjoyed Eden Lake. Especially the twist at the end. No spoilers folks. It's just films go on rampages with sub genres. When one seems promising or generates interes or money, then there becomes a glut. I also liked Vinyan for the same reason I like Eden Lake. I think the movie F. kind of killed the killer kid thing for me. Come Out And Play didn't help.

Also let it be known I love From Dusk Till Dawn, the first one anyway. And holding out making any comments on the TV series until I've seen more than one episode.

Bloofer is right about the lame convention in found footage for suggesting "here comes trouble"

I knew there was a remake - didn't know they retitled it. Heard it was shit.

Calling the movie shit would be a disservice to all really crappy movies. Just google the director Makinov. Some dude with a bag on his head. Tempting to be a subversive director who is actually a Brit attempting to cash in on the badass Slavic mystique. Sorry but the guys name is Jonny Clooney from Bristol. He took a poor 1970's film and remade it into an even worse film. Maybe that's why he wears the bag on his head.

I think he's trying to grasp some of the appeal of films such as the Seasoning House, a Serbian Film, and the fantastic Neprijatelj. Not so far as his film but in his persona. He fails on all levels. I'm sure he loves the genre, that doesn't make him a great director by default. No more thanh any of us on the forum.

Attempting to be subversive... Sorry,

Going to watch the Other (the film, not the horror punk band although they are great) and perhaps Sick Boy with hope I can redeem the killer child sub genre for myself.

Though I fall for it every time, sick of people waking up from a terrifying nightmare and turning to their spouse in bed and said spouse turns around with a demon face or some such and they wake up again from that nightmare! Sometimes its even stretched to waking up three times.

Nice one. The nightmare within a nightmare. Sure some of these cliché's are effective but tread new ground directors. Please.

How about hillbilly cannabals. Why not flip it. Have. Bunch of beautiful people lost in the woods, come across a hillbilly cabin, and as things unfold suggesting the hillbillies are not whT they appear, it turn out the beautiful people are cannibals.

That was sort of done recently but I can't for the life of me think of the name. Basically the Hillbillies pick on a serial killer in their local bar.

No One Lives ?

That was the one I was thinking of Newb. I've not seen it though. Ferox, have you seen it?

No One Lives was pretty good from what I remember.

I also remember a home invasion movie where they flipped it.
It was about two psycho brothers who hide from the cops in a house and take the family hostage. But the family turns out to be crazier than the brothers.
Don't remember if it was good.

Killers (1996)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256858/

Another thing that pisses me off more lately are the abrupt endings.
It's lazy. It's like the writer can't come up with a good ending and says
"Fuck it, let them decide how it ends."

The victims being mostly assholes. Where's the sacrifice? There is no horror in watching a dick get his comeuppance. But like in the Ring and The Hills Have Eyes, the victims didn't deserve what they got. That is fucking terrifying.

+1 on this. It's so glaring and transparent when a movie sets up a jerk for the slaughter just for some easy audience gratification. It not only severely lessens the horror, it telegraphs the character's fate so there is no suspense. What's worse, it demonstrates the writer/director's willingness to pander to the audience thereby draining the rest of the movie of tension. The moment you know the film makers are only out to make a crowd-pleaser is the moment you can predict everything that is going to happen to all the characters, and from then on you are just marking off checkboxes in a list of cliches.

I think this also applies to letting one or two of the nicest/smartest people survive after the evil has been defeated.
So they'll live happily ever after (or until the sequel) and it leaves the audience with a feeling of relief and hope.
A lot of time it would be so much better and fitting for a movie that everybody dies/the world ends/evil wins/...
Seven might be a good example.

That's the one - it wasn't bad but obviously not good enough to remember the name.

Daytime vampires.
Twilight, Vampire Diaries, Vampire Academy,...

Baron. Good one. Mind you if I remember correctly in Stokers Dracula the good ol' Count would walk about anytime.

Back to morons getting killed in films. The only thing I like about the first Hostel film is the good guy gets greased early on. Enough with the Disney endings. Not horror, but as far as interesting endings go, Los Ultimos Dias is rather good. Gives us hope yet depressing as well.

How about people killed in same old dull ways. Or people schmecken then getting killed.

Last survivor movies. It was fine in the 70's.

Now that you mention it, you're right.
I don't mind Dracula (or some other über vampire) strolling around during the day. As long as they maintain a low-profile attitude.
But lately there's this whole bunch of teenage vampires walking around during the daytime like it ain't no thing. I think that Twilight dude even went to high school (even though he was over a 100).

Might be a similar thing going on with werewolves.
There was always the element of a full moon. Now you got Hulk like situations.

True. Now matter how bad a movie is, I always give extra credit for an original kill.

Baron, I heard Del Toro came up with Strain in response to the whole Twilight nonsense. When you are more afraid of vampire pimple juice than the vampires being menacing, something has to be done. Werewolves as well. I watched Wer and had high hope but alas...

We need a list of best/most inventive kills.

Thanks for the tip on Strain.

That kill list is a great idea.