No, I'm fully aware of that. If a lot of people did agree with me on these movies then I wouldn't feel awkward about my opinions. And I, as much as anyone, understand being annoyed when people say that a movie I love isn't as good as I think it is. Recently I've just come to understand the debate over Alien and Aliens, which I both just recently viewed. I think Alien is amazing, a seminal work under any context, whereas I find after viewing Aliens that I don't find it on the same level of Alien and think that its acclaim is a bit exaggerated. I liked it, but I'm miffed that people make it out as better than Alien.

I guess my views on these classics makes me stand out, which is better than blending in. Unfortunately since they don't fit in with the general consensus, I worry that no one can take anything I have to say seriously even when I'm spot on with something.

If somebody told you McDonald's had the most amazing Burgers in the world, why would you believe what they had to say about Spago?

Who cares what people have to say about your opinions? Were horror fans man, which means were supposed to go against the grain. Be yourself and like what you want and don't be afraid to say you like something everybody hates or hate something everybody else loves.

I would have to disagree that my feelings on the movies I discussed equate me to someone who holds McDonald's burgers as the best in American cuisine. What worries me is simply that people shut down too quick on others when they hear something they don't disagree with.

Thus when I voice my opinion, I fear the results I might get. Unfortunately they are still my opinions, and I like to think that I'm smart, so I voice them anyway despite my fears of being lumped into the "loves McDonald's hamburgers" group.

It's an ANALOGY.

I know this.

I love the way people are acting with hurt indignation before anyone has even said anything. That seems suspicious. *rolleyes*

Thats how a disagreement SHOULD go! Kuddos Elvis!:)

Well, which would you rather debate, my presentation of the movies I made comments about or the movies themselves? Honestly, the reason I act with hurt indignation before anything is said is I suppose I'm trying to skip the "you're an idiot" part of the interaction by admitting that I fear I am an idiot so that we can go right to the real discussion. Apparently my maneuver failed.

Like, for example, how do people honestly consider The Reflecting Skin a horror film. I think it's an intriguing and beautiful film, but if I'm judging it from a horror perspective I think it's kind of terrible.

Isn't it a little more useful to discuss the topic further than just agreeing to disagree? Especially on a message board? If not, what is the point of a message board?

I don't want to simply say "to each his own", I want to ask why first. Then if I still disagree with the logic, it seems fair to say "to each his own".

No one's going to call you an idiot on here and if they do, believe me everyone would probably jump all over them. This forum is really good with that and with the exception of one incident, I've only had great conversations on here and that's why it's good to just say to each their own right off because we all just want to have friendly debates and conversations here.

I think Bluequiet will be okay if he stops being so self-deprecating, and (most important) quits spamming.

I don't mind spam as long as it's on topic and the person also contributes, which this person is doing...

Zombieland - i know its not really a horror, but it became too much of a p**stake

I guess V felt differently.

Okay...start with a controversial one.

Nightmare On Elm Street - Not the remake (though don't get me started on that...) I've never been a huge fan of slashers as it happens. Halloween is good, but I could never quite get into Friday The 13th. I always thought the sequels shouldn't have dealt with Jason but with people acting "through" Jason, similar to Barbara in the first film, although she may just have been nuts...

Anyway, I digress...

I appreciate the dream logic that was used (I've always had a soft spot for surrealism in horror) but I wasn't that impressed. I didn't find it scary and although I can appreciate Freddie Krueger, he's not my favourite horror character.

Saw - Again, I just never found it terrifying, maybe because I knew how it would end.

Piranha 3D - Tried to sit through this, but it just played like almost softcore porn with a little bit of horror/comedy (which again, I enjoy) thrown in. I found it dumb in an almost insluting way.

The Amityville Horror - So much potential but it never quite gets that exciting for me. I quite liked Amityville II though. Same with The Omen (which I like, but I always felt the sequels were underrated, except Omen IV *shudder*)

I completely agree about The Amityville Horror-I thought Amityville 2 was far scarier, more foreboding and unsettling. An excellent example of a sequal superceding the original I thought.

I understand some peoples contention that Nightmare on Elm Street is overrated/hyped. I am not a member of that club, though, I'm a pretty big fan of it, but for me some of its stature in the horror community has a lot to do with the "right place, right time concept". It's a cultural thing at this point, the movies good but it's assent into horror classic status is not just due to the movie, it's about the myth and it's place within the 80s horror boom.

I'm also pretty down on the Amityville Horror movies. I've only seen the original and the remake, not any of the original sequels, but both movies greatly disappointed me. I seem to remember another, more lower budget, movie based more closely on what the family actually claims to have happened that I was more impressed with. Or maybe I'm confusing it with the dramatization sequences of a history channel show on the subject that also included the real interviews of the family. I don't know. Either way, the Amityville franchise is a big bomb for me in the horror movie sense (though I admit I should try to see some of the sequels)

I wouldn't bother...the sequels make the original look like a masterpiece...

I'd agree with the films after part two but I do think part two was better than the first.

I completely agree. Probably the best "recent" vampire movie of memory.

As for crap I hate, pretty much anything with CGI can be added to the list.

Id have to say the original Texas Chain Saw Massacre. I heard so much hype about it, how scary and disturbing it was, went to see it and there wasnt anything to it. Wasnt a bit scary, kind of boring in fact. The Friday the 13th movies were better and they wernt all that great.

i dint find texas scary, and the first time i watched it i hated it as well, but it grew on me the second time and now i like the movie so much more.

'The Howling' has gotten alot of love and has achieved classic status, but it's never done it for me. I've always thought 'Hellraiser' was overrated too. Those are the two most popular movies that jump out at me.

I never cared for The Howling either. Although it does have some impressive looking werewolves. I do quite like Hellraiser.

Yeah I think I need to read the book and maybe that will flesh things out a little for me in regards to 'Hellraiser'. Have you ever read the book?

I must note- I'm not knocking Pinhead. He's a genuine badass.

No. I have not read the book.

And just when I thought that I was the only one who didn't like it. I will say, though, that I love the very end when the guy buys her a burger, and he asks her how she likes her meat, and she smiles and says, "Rare." Awesome!

Never liked it so never bothered with any of the sequels-does anyone actually like any of them?

Most Hollywood remakes of foreign horror films. Usually Asian horror, but more recently they have been branching out. The remake of "let the right one in" was mentioned earlier in this thread. The original was astounding, and the remake was just, bland. It sucked all of the soul out of the film, and made really unnecessary changes to the relationship of the two kids. The recent reboots of classics have been pretty terrible too, especially NOES. Then there's The Ring and The Grudge etc etc etc ad infinitum. I'm really glad Steven Spielberg and Will Smith decided against remaking Oldboy.

But to save this being a rant about remakes, I'm not liking a lot of the possession movies that have been made recently. The most recent being Insidious. That film was f*cking awful. It started out really promising, and then just fell inside its own ass hole. <spoiler alert> The bit where they go inside the darkness, or the kids head, or whatever it was supposed to be. And they find that demon that looks like the produce of Darth Maul hooking up with Captain Spaulding.... why? Just, why?

The last exorcism was also pretty poor after starting out quite well. It did combine two genres I consider to be overdone though. Possession movies and found footage movies. Then end of that film just gave me the rage though. <Spoiler alert> why did they have to make it cult related? Why couldn't they just keep it as an unknown evil which is massively more terrifying than something a cult could have conjured up?

I didn't like "Drag Me To Hell" it had a tad bit too much puke the only movie that did vomit good was The Exorcist.

The Shining? Wow, one of the best! You're right though, everyone has the freedom to dislike what they want. I also liked 28 Days Later much better than the second. To each his own.

remakes of old classics

i like this thread....

TWILIGHT if you can even call that horror....

SAW (ALL of them, gross not scary)

HOSTEL (Same)

Final Destination (same rehashed shit over and over with characters no one cares about)

ill think of more as i read more of the thread

I got that same reaction when i first posted it. I think later in the thread i explained that i'm not a big Kubrick fan and i loved the book and hated that it was so different.

The movie wasnt half as good as the book. And im a fan of the movie. Its just the book thats so good. I like to consider it two entirely separate movies that have the same name. Still wish the complete adaptation of the book made its way onto the big screen though.

There is the miniseries which i actually liked. I just hate that the movie gets credit over the book when the book is so superior.

I love the book, but Stanley Kubrick's film was a masterpiece.

Kubrick is a very polarising director and some people find his work very sterile and clinical (not me, I love him, he's one of my favourites) not to mention that film is very different to King's book (King disliked it for the same reason) but I also think it's a great film.

Are we talking about the remake? The remake made it more romantic, but the original was just about two lonely kids who became friends.

I tend not to like american remakes of movies because of little changes like this. there was no need for it at all. And if I remember correctly, was the remake not released within a year of the original? I think that's testament to people's unwillingness to try anything unfamiliar.

"This film's really good but people wont want want to watch it if they have to read it. Let's completely remake it in English so we can tap that market".

In response to a few of the other points raised in here. 28 weeks better than days??? really? weeks was mediocre at best. Pretty much a standard run of the mill big budget zombie movie. Days was tense, like, really tense. I've watched that film a bunch of times and I still get a bit 'on edge' sometimes.

Devil's backbone was another astonishing movie. I went into it not knowing anything about it, so when the horror angel came in I really really dug it.

Wickerman, Elm St, Omen and Carrie... They're classics. That's all I can say about that really. I think as a horror fan they're a must. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy them all, and my liking of them isn't based on the fact that I should like them, I just don't think I've ever met a horror fanatic that doesn't like them.

Films like Underworld and sleepy Hollow I like, but I can understand why a lot of people don't. They are both very typically "hollywood". Zombieland though, I thought was amazing. It had a perfect balance of comedy and horror. Also, Woody Harleson was astounding in it. That man should have won an award for that performance.

I don't really have many movies I really hate to be honest, apart from remakes (as this post and others I have made all over the forum will probably make clear). Think the last one I physically hated was the Elm St remake.

and finally, the Hills have eyes remake was better??? Behave :p