Yeah, I know what you mean. I had to pick films that I had seen (which narrowed the field somewhat). I didn't think I could just guess whether they were good judging from what other people said.

250 is a lot (for any decade, not just the 2000s).

That's a good list NE, regarding your particular point. I don't disagree except for Freddy Vs Jason (come on...it's great fun! Loved to see both the legend sharing the same screen) and the film that brought me here & drag me into the genre...TCM remake! I always has a soft corner for it. :)

I don't want to argue further but I disagree on this note.

IMO: Actually that works for any good or bad list. There's no list of films that I think can 100% satisfy every movie viewers cause of different tastes & point of views.

Yeah, it might have worked better in a tournament-like format. It would have taken a lot longer though.

I don't think so...the end result would be the same unless the nominees being limited/voters options being restricted.

I guess you're right. I could almost see myself doing that though.

"Halloween 2? Blair Witch 2? Hell no.Not even going to bring them up as a possibility.":D

I agree with Wicker that 250 is a lot. A list of 100 would be stronger, IMO.

yeah....could definitely cut a few of them

That would defeat the whole purpose of this project, which started out with the sole aim to give the grieving fans TWICE as many reasons as any other Top 100 compilation that modern horror of the 00s hasn't gone down, or as they like to say "modern horror sux".

And you listed 17 films, out of 250, which is a very acceptable percentage. (233 films are good enough?! Weehaw!) I am willing to accept it. There will always be a horror fan out there who might like those 17 too. I am sure all involved will agree with me on this one.

And of course the compilation is open to debate and improvement (that's what makes it flexible). I am sure with time and constant inputs from everyone, some of the weaker entries will get weeded out and replaced with stronger recs. That would make it a more complete list.

Ok I'm gonna play devil's advocate and risk a flaming. I have truly adored all the lists on here-except this one. I 100% agree with neverending. I think the people that voted for shitty remakes should be ashamed of themselves. Congratulations you have undermined the crdibility of this list-people will see them on this list and conclude that "modern horror does indeed suck" thereby backfiring the original intentions of this. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but people will see remakes on this list and think that bona fide modern classics like "Dagon", "Session 9", "Shutter" etc are in the same league! I understand that a lot of work has gone into this list sadly it all seems for nothing.

Weed out all the remakes for a start-no best of the decade is going to have any credibility with them in there-they prove rather than disprove that "modern horro sucks" never mind replacing them-that could be in the long term.

On another note I actually liked Saw 2 but I understand the hatred towards it.

There are fans who liked some of the remakes - RZ's Halloween & TCM, and some of the Hollywood remakes of Asian films are the reason why Asian horror became popular in the first place.

Saw II is also a member of the HDC Top 100, so I don't understand the hate for it either.

A double edged sword. But I am open to suggestions.

Also willing to do some editing of the 250, provided I am permitted to do so by the team members who sat down and hammered out the compilation between themselves.

As much as I have been griping about remakes, I have to disagree about eliminating all the remakes on the list. I know most, if not all, of the remakes are inferior to the original, but some of them are quite good in their own right.

Also, I would not like to see The Ring, a film that introduced a mainstream audience to J-Horror, eliminated.

Got the green light from some of the jury members. Waiting on some more before I roll out the editing process.

Hey....I only compiled the list .......don't blame moi ;)


Let the cutting begin

Thumbs up from everyone I contacted, and so the compilation stands slightly modified from the original one posted yesterday.

This should be a solid list, and should stand the test of time for awhile.

And so it's done.

Please go through the Sticky again.

Very clinical editing, bro! Now it looks a new one...really fresh & fantastic!

Wow! There are again some more films that I need to search down soon & watch:
Sauna
Love Object
Malefique
The Hole
Call of Cthulhu
Black Water

Glad you add the followings:
Next Door
Calvaire (aka) The Ordeal
In My Skin
Orphan
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer
The Loved Ones
Trouble Every Day
Lunacy

And also again:D...bit surprised by this entries:
Case 39
A Perfect Getaway
Hunger
Wind Chill

TCM remake has been removed from the "Official HDC Top 200 Of The 2000s"...A sad day for me. :(

Btw, have anyone seen The Uncertain Guest (2004)? Just downloaded it last night as it was directed by the same guy who directed Julia's Eyes. Hope to see it soon.

Final changes all complete. The Stickied 200 (+ 50) is good and ready to serve.

Big thanks to all the last-minute contributors I PMed in the past couple days and got plenty of prompt replies and recs back from them almost immediately.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Believe it or not I did somehow sit through some of those remakes and I personally did not think as standalone films they were any good anyway. Hills Have Eyes for example was turned into a standard action flick with none of the mania that characterised the original.

Don't get me started on the pinnacle of ultimate evil that is The Ring. I think it did the opposite of what you suggested and actually turned people against japanese horror originals. I've lost count of how many times I showed people the original Ringu which they dismissed as being inferior as "its not as graphic or exciting as the hollywood remake" they claimed. The same can be said for The Grudge etc. No one I know who likes the remakes more than the japanese originals has got into japanese horror. If a film has subtitles or is considered "slow" it will never be accepted by mainstream audiences who demand that films are dumbed down so they don't have to use their brains while watching a film.

I don't understand that at all. People I've known who saw the remake first and saw the original afterwards either loved both or preferred the original.

I'm basing it on people I know so I guess it could be just people in the UK who have that opinion. It's sad really but not as sad as the people who think the remakes are the original films...

Finally proofread the entire 250, removed some sequel/remake entries and the more-popular-yet-not-good-enough-to-recommend ones, and added a whole lot of good-sounding-but-rarely-viewed recommendations which had been sent through PMs to me throughout the past month and half, plus some which I thought should be a part of the Sticky but were glaringly omitted/forgotten.

Please go through the Sticky again -

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57683

I think this should stand the test of time for awhile.

Many thanks to everyone who PMed me their choices, and specially the ones who posted them in the "HDC Recommends..." thread in the Modern Horror section.

I hope most of you agree with the majority of the recs.

This is a lot better-the only ones I object to are-

Blade 2
Eight Legged Freaks
The Hills Have Eyes Remake
The Toolbox Murders Remake
The Ring
Halloween remake

which I would replace with
Salvage (2009)
Bad Biology (2008)
Dark Corners (2006)
Donkey Punch (2008)
Ghost Ship (2002)
Dogtooth (2009)
Kontroll (2003)
The Piano Teacher (2001)
Mortuary (2005)
Taxidermia (2006)
What Lies Beneath (2000)
The Machinist (2004)

Oops I forgot

Ravenous (2009)
The Gravedancers (2005)

Ravenous is 1999.

I'm not going to push you into changing the list yet again, but I will say I am unhappy about the absence of:

The Human Centipede
Hostel
The Skeleton Key

and I'm quite shocked that Sympathy For Mr. Vengeance got the axe.

Quality and recommendable horror? That's what at least 5 others who PMed me questioned about those selections.

It's veracity as a horror film was questioned repeatedly. Ergo, it stands omitted.

The first editing was good enough, IMO. We had sufficient amount of time to give the inputs of our recommendations. We don't need to butcher it every time we got a complain or suggestion note after the final compilation posted. Anyway...there's no list that can make everyone happy with the same level of satisfaction.

That's how I felt. I wouldn't request that the list be changed.