someone probably still will be, and I still won't care.

I agree. Actually an embryo is really not a part of the woman's body since its genetic compositon is not the same as the mother's.:)

are you really gonna bring in science as a reason to outlaw abortion, because there's a perfectly good reason not to in the thread already

After reading through the entire tiffle, you completely missed the point of my thread VampRocker. The point was to debate in a civilized fashion. Not to come in arguing, calling names, and throwing insults.

In the end you did get owned.. badly.

However,

Technically, the genetic composition may be different, but it's still a part of a woman's body. Until the baby can function without having to depend on the umbilical cord, it's connected, and part of the body. It's almost like a bud, or extension of the woman...

I was actually waiting for someone to tell me that... Wow, im impressed.

EDIT: Yeah, I know, but I really like this picture. And it fits, being sciency and all

I did? When? How?

And if I'm not mistaken, I thought it WAS about arguing. Well, at least that's what Sam has led me to believe. Either way, can you really dismiss my opinion? After all, I did offer you one at first, in the fashion you felt to be fit, but of course, things got a bit off track.

Hell, what else did you expect by posting such a poll? You opened up a pretty big can of worms there, bud. And I hate to say it, but this isn't I'mAFairy.com, so get over it.

You were the only one throwing around insults. Even I managed to express my opinion without insulting people. If I can do that but you can't, then something must be very wrong with you. Or I'm getting better.

Becoming better or holier than thou?

You're full of shit, Sam. You try to run this board like it's your own, and when someone stands in your way of your "dominance," and when it's time to make one last ditch effort to beat that person...

...you actually say that you're "becoming better."

Yes, like posting pictures of the 9/11 attacks with the word "owned" plastered on it is incredibly mature and civil of you.

Congrats, you're a jackass!

Debating is not the same as arguing as Fluff said.

And yes I can dismiss your opinion, because you didn't stand up by it. All you did was begin to explain why yours was the one and only right opinion, to throw names, and to tell people to have "self-abortions."

Both Fluff and Sam have managed to offer their opinions without resorting to such childishness. The last time I experienced something like this was back in elementary school, when children argued about which Power Ranger was the best. Whoever liked the one everyone else didn't, would be called a "dookiehead" or something of the sort.

I was hoping that when talking about a subject such as this you would have at least brough some civility with you, but I was expecting too much. But who knows, give it a few days, and maybe others will follow down your path. I just hope they don't act as immature.

Just because Sam keeps posting tags, I'm gunna post one too.

You got owned like the child you are.

Again with the insults. I don't run the board at all. That seems to be a recurring insult, and it gets lamer (more lame?) every time it's used.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...&threadid=3840

I predicted this, btw

No, really, could I send you some pampers? You seem to be in some serious need of them...

"I don't run the board at all."

But you do try to run PEOPLE, right? You try to, oh, I don't know, "own them," if you will.

It's not an insult, it's a fact.

Oh, and please, post some more 9/11 pictures, dude! I so totally want to get in on the insult action! I mean, you know those people that died? They're such dorks!

And don't post bullshit about how it's not an insult to post 9/11 stuff. If anything, it's completely disrespectful of you to do so.

I did mention that in one of these three threads, I don't remember which one. Oh, it was to bwind, now I remember.

But VampRocker isn't a n00b, so Vamp,

Thanks, guys!

I couldn't ask for better friends...

Ya know, funny thing about the 9/11 thing, I don't care! Sucks that they died, yeah, but am I all broken up about it? No, and I wasn't then either.
And no, I don't run people.

Well, at least you're honest about it. And since we're being so honest....

You're an asshole, Sam. I want nothing more for you to die. In a totally humane, though. Hey, I'm nice like that...

Wow. Honesty rocks.

That was either sarcasm or the last little bit of credibility and respect you had going for you dying. At this point I'd bet on the latter.

break it up guys. you both know that arguing on the internet is pointless.:o save yourself the hulmiliation...

Hey, I want in too!

You're an idiot, Vamp. Plain and simple.

Me: What are your views on abortion?
You: I'm against it.
Fluff: I'm for it, partially.
You: You're a big meaniehead.
Sam: The fetus is not alive until brain develops.
You: Fuck you, asshole. You should die.
Fluff: How about my neighbor who was in a vegetative state?
You: Good thing they pulled the plug, go have a heartattack.

I'd go on, but in only gets worse from there.

That's the best thing I've ever heard on a message board.

...as that completley proves that you haven't read a word that I've said.

I'm against abortion. A child's life is, to me, existing upon conception. An abortion is murder, plain and simple. I never wanted Fluffles neighbor to be denied life by having the plug pulled on her. I was clearly against that. Obviously, you were too busy thinking up clever comebacks to notice. I think Sam's a jackass. I think Flufflewufflegus is an asslicker. I don't want neither of them to die. I'm simply rooting from the sidelines to have nature take it's course earlier on those two...

Maybe I do want them dead. Oh, well. At least I'm being honest!

You: Your opinion is dismissed, I shall now wow you with imagery of said dismissal.
Me: Awesome.
You: Hold on for a sec, let me come up with something intelligent to say...
Fluff: I'm better than you! I'M SMART! Look at my test scores!
You: Okay, here's something witty...::insert faux conversation you made between us::
Me: You didn't read anything I've said, have you?

I've read plenty of what you've said. You told Sam to leave, and Fluff that her mother should have had an abortion. Oh, and that she should have a heartattack.

And fine, I got that thing backwards, they shouldn't have pulled the plug. You're right, she should have just laid there as a vegetable for the next 20 years or so right? But why pull the plug even then? I can understand not pulling the plug on Terry Schiavo. She was responsive, Fluff said her neighbor was not - she was brain dead. She had not one brain aneurism, but two. There was hope after the first, buit not after the second. Do you what a brain aneurism is? Do you know what braindead is? If you can say yes, then fine. You can say she should have stayed there alive, in a hospital, alive without a brain. But as long as she looks like she's living, right? If you want your family members to live like that, that's your perogative. In a bed, only alive through lifesupport.

She even asked you to go look it up, and respond. But did you? No. You told her to go have a heartattack. Very mature.

And go on and bring up Fluff's intelligence. She brought up that she got into the 11th ranked university, maybe because she does have some intelligence. Maybe just because it wasn't displayed here, doesn't mean that she's stupid. And guess what, stupid people don't get into high ranking universities. You haven't shown anything. What school do you go to? What degree do you have? I can imagine you writing a term paper filled with cusswords, and all the reasons you're right, and how everyone who is against you should die. See how far that gets you.

Just like whoever said, I didn't think you were an asshole, until now. And you're worse than I've ever seen Sam, and you know how he is :rolleyes:

Nice. Real nice. Where do I start?

"I've read plenty of what you've said. You told Sam to leave, and Fluff that her mother should have had an abortion. Oh, and that she should have a heartattack."

Merely icing on the proverbial cake. What's it to you that I tell Sam to leave or Fluffy to die? Hey, it's just a little harmless fun. Oh, wait...are you jealous? Oh, hey there, big guy, I can tell you to die, too! But since I like you, I won't. But you'll have to leave. Now scoot, kid.

Oh, hey, can I ask you something? Are you God? If so, can you tell me when life begins and when it's a guilt-free move to murder someone? Whoops. I brought up religion. Okay, how about...are you a higher entity? Or is that still religion related? This is some tricky stuff...

If my father had an anuerism and was brain dead, I would never pull the plug on him. That's a complete bullshit, weak move. I'd do everything to keep him alive and allow his death to occur when it was "supposed to." I wouldn't be so callous and cold to assume that his life was over, now that I had the choice to determine myself, whether it was or was not. What gives you the right to do such a thing? How can you judge whether or not he's "so dead that it's a-okay to complete the job?"

"And go on and bring up Fluff's intelligence. She brought up that she got into the 11th ranked university, maybe because she does have some intelligence"

I never said she wasn't. I was merely bringing up the point that she seemed pretty insecure about it. If she was intelligent, she wouldn't have brought up such a lame thing in the first place, to wow the non-believers. Thanks, Fluffster, you sure showed me! Now can you show me a sentence free off asinine errors? Thanks.

No, he's not God, and neither are you. You get on us for saying when life begins or ends, but then you're doing the same thing.

Never said that. I just wanted to make sure to let you know that I can't and will most likely never know when life begins and when it's officially over. I have too much respect to play around with such an amazing thing as human life.

You guys are playing God by assuming that you do know, or at least "know enough" to fuck around with human life by enjoying the simplistic last resort of abortion and the pain free, easy route of killing people off just because, hey, they're probably dead!

You're assuming that I'm for abortion. I mean, I've said twice that I'm not really FOR abortion, but I'm probably still for it. I mean, what do I know about my views on things? Certainly not as much as you do.


And I didn't say when life begins at all. I said when it begins to be a human. You're all hung up on human lives, but it's not human for 2 whole months at least

It just doesn't end with you does it?

I have my belief as to when life begins, but I don't rub it in other people's faces. You have your beliefs, and you begin to yell at people if they don't agree with you.

If you want to debate, great. Debating is a good thing! But you completely degrade yourself when you start calling names, and saying people should die. Did Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Ghandi, or any other great civil rights activists, pull any of the shit you did? No, because that would demean them. It would have made them look like idiots, no matter how smart they were. If King had have said "we should kill all white people because they're fucking ignorant rednecks" it would have made him no better than the whites opressing him. He was assassinated because people couldn't stand that he was more than just an "angry black man". He was actually using his brains, and caused many blacks, and whites, to do the same.

I'm tired of you, so if you want to reply to this fine, I'm just going to ignore your posts from now on. It's like a few people have already said, I didn't think you were an asshole up until now. I thought that it had ended with SFF, apparently I was wrong, and I don't feel like putting up with another.

Well, shit.

Listen, I don't want to be an asshole. I never wanted to be one. The entire time I've ever been on this site was to contribute once every week. I've "lost my head" with the topic of abortion, and I understand that.

Now, no one has "owned" me on this because I'm backing off, and if anyone does mention the "owning of anyone," I swear you'll never hear the end of me. Maybe I'm just tired of this ridiculousness, or maybe I understand I've gone about this in all the wrong ways...

...naw. My way rocks.

Sam, Fluff, Rotty, I'm calling a truce. You're all very intelligent individuals, and maybe that's why I enjoy the "online battles" we've been having. It's a nice change of pace.

And as one last, final word:

I'm right. You're wrong!

Good, I can sleep now

Thanks, buddy. For a second there I thought I would have to put on another pot of coffee...

I'm hittin' the hay.

Let me see if I can explain this one for you, so that you won't find it so "odd"...

There is a slight difference between killing an innocent, unborn baby, and killing a murderer:rolleyes:

So, now I'm wondering just exactly what it was that I was carrying in my womb when I was pregnant...Hmmm...Was it a rabbit maybe?...No...wait...You said "not a mammal"...Okay, so maybe it was a fish...but, no backbone...a slug?...Oh well, whatever it WAS, I sure am glad that it happened to TURN INTO a human being...:rolleyes:

BTW...I was just assuming that it was a human being because animals generally tend to reproduce whatever they happen to be...At least that's been my experience...I also think that people WANT to believe that it isn't a baby, because that makes it much easier to accept the thought of killing it

Also...For all the things you've mentioned " Lungs, Spinal chord, all that"...You left out the fact that "it" has a beating heart

Holy shit!!!

This thread is really hot. I can't decide whether to really give my feelings on the topic. ...I will, though...

Three years ago I had a miscarriage. It was the worst experience of my life. I was in the first trimester of my pregnancy. I can honestly say that it was a baby inside me. It was alive, and I loved it. (I use the pronoun "it" because at such a young age, the sex organs aren't fully developed). These were just maternal feelings inside of me. Valid? For me they were. For other people...it wasn't.

I say, that the fetus is alive. However, I can't make that call for everyone.

"However, I can't make that call for everyone."
Finally, someone who realises that arguing the point isn't gonne get anywhere.

Hey, no need for all that just because I like to base my opinions on facts.

Hey, killing is killing. If you're so big on life then you shouldn't want to kill anything.

So then...Killing a cockroach would be the same as killing a person?...Hmmm...maybe SOME people...Okay, you just might have a point there, Sam

If you kill anything, you're not pro-life.