Yeah, I'm down with Immmortal and Public Enemy, and RUN DMC because :

It's tricky to rock a rhyme
to rock a rhyme that's right on time
it's tricky!
It's tricky! Tricky! Tricky! Tricky!

Hey: You down with OPP?!?!?!

The argument is decades old, and trying to convince someone who can't even understand what the terms mean is futile. So, I'll not even bother.

Calling the color orange blue, does not, in fact turn it blue.

Yeah, he just spat hot fire !

Definition(s):
Music (noun) - 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
2.musical work or compositions for singing or playing.
3.any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound

Very informative, and thank you.

Back to the orginal purpose of the thread people.

Thread over, black people like horror movies but hide it because they're fly. Didn't we already figure that out?

That's a very lazy definition by someone who had no musical knowledge. Obviously there's lots of music that's neither sweet nor pleasing.

Yeah, the dictionary got it all wrong, why don't you write them and correct them. I don't have Webster or Merriam's address so you'll have to figure that out for yourself. Actually, the Merriam/Webster dictionary varies just slightly...

mu·sic
Pronunciation: \ˈmyü-zik\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English musik, from Anglo-French musike, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikē any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
Date: 13th century

the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity

vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony2

an agreeable sound : euphony <her voice was music to my ears>

musical quality <the music of verse>

a musical accompaniment <a play set to music>

the score of a musical composition set down on paper

a distinctive type or category of music <there is a music for everybody — Eric Salzman>

That is obviously an alternate use of the word music and has no bearing on the argument at hand.

Whatever, it's your OPINION that rap is not music, not a fact. You can't get pissed that people disagree with you even if they are lazy and know nothing about "music".

Not MY opinion- the opinion of people who understand the definition of music- as set out even in your dictionary. If it doesn't have all the elements of music, it's not music. I didn't make up the definition.


And who says I'm pissed about anything?

People ascribe a lot of traits to me that aren't very accurate.

Really? So professors from Heriot Watt University, Harvard, and Yale who are experts in music are wrong while you are right. Here, write her and tell her she's been wasting her life because rap isn't music.

Gail H. Woldu, Assistant Professor of Music
(Ph.D., Yale University, 1983)

Office: AAC 111
Office Phone: (860) 297-2372
E-mail: [email protected]
Homepage: Not available

Professional Interests:
The music of Black-Americans, the music of Black-American women, rap music, hip hop culture.

Current Research:
Not available

Select Publications:
She has written several articles on rap in the classroom that explore the pedagogical issues unique to teaching rap and other forms of popular black music.

i think people can know a lot about music.
trace the history - the lineage.
read about what musicians say about their music..read about or hear the influences ...

but to give it a definition ?

i dont think it's possible .. (despite the fact that some learned people did it)

isn't music whatever you want it to be ?
banging 2 rocks together, hitting a log with a stick ?

how can there be a right or wrong definition of this unless it's so broad it encompases absolutely everything anyone could consider to be music ..

i dont think its a science personally

Which is why it's ok to have the opinion that rap isn't music but you cannot say that it's a fact.

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

And the plot thickens :D

I'm saying I threw a definition in because you were so intent on defining it. YOU were saying that by definition rap wasn't music so I simply posted the definition, did I say that I adhered to it?

quite correct sir, blather on.

Your two cents aren't needed here, save it and buy some balls.

:p

He was using the dictionary to discredit your belief on the terminology of music and how it is implied and interpreted; merely used to eliminate your claim. That was his weapon of choice. Because you have tended to go on and on about how significant diction and specifically the interpretation of diction. However, his mere point was to reiterate to you that music even when one ponders with words, the more and more life goes on--there will never be any universial definition to define music as a factual entity through one specific and concise mannerism. Because it's impossible because of the many evolutions it is and will take. Just because new genres of music emerge, and it may not be the same way it was 50 yrs ago--or even how you were, it doesn't mean it isn't what it intended to be --which is music. No matter the genre, no matter the type--no matter the form--no matter the style; music is music. And Despare and urge I'm with you on this one.

Yeah preferably a size that's bigger than this thread. :) :p

Have you read ANY of my posts? I never once mentioned diction or interpretation of diction. Perhaps you have me mixed up with some crazy dialogue inside your head.

And I agree with you- what's music is music. And what isn't, isn't.

Yes I read your posts. You and Despare weren't arguing and comparing each other's definitions? And evaluating and interpreting them?

tapping a tune on a tabletop is still music

it's just not the kind of music that people would pay to listen to.

Do you know what the word diction means?

It's the friction created by a di......nevermind.

Hahaha
.......

Yes I do. But instead of going off on this small tangent of a dispute with me, I want to know the response to the counterclaims made by urge and Despare.

I don't think you do- because you used it incorrectly.

And to reply to the ACTUAL topic of this thread...

They do. I have personally met and seen many black people who are into horror. And the initiation started from the 70s exploitation flicks I believe - blaxploitation (sp?) flicks to be exact.

Not to mention the leads of the original Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead.

But yeah, horror of the 70s shaped their love of the genre. I say at least 65-70% of all black people do love their ample dose of horror, in any way or other.

My 2 cents in.


And now, ladies and gentlemen, back to the "music"al debate...

Perhaps I do. And used it incorrectly intentionally to revert you back to my previous question--concerning your response to the counterclaims of Urge and Despare.

I think it's more likely you don't know.

Are you ever going to readdress the previous claims? Or are you going to "nit-pick" the specificity of everything else?

Spaking or writing with "specificity" is only seen as nit-picking by those who can't think or express themselves with precision or exactness. In fact, if we can't get the details right, the larger picture can never be comprehended. People who are lazy thinkers are always saying things like "oh, you know what I mean," because they don't pay attention to what they are saying.

Speaking and writing with clarity is of utmost importance- it's the only way you can communicate what exactly you mean.

I don't refer to or use phrases such as "you know what I mean." I see your point. But it's not with me. Shall we go to back to the previous posts, now? :rolleyes:

No


.................

All right then :rolleyes:

yeah, actually.
he's pretty intense.

I think he means he gave up, lol.
If it helps. As I mentioned before music is not just sounds coming from instruments.
"The piece actually consists of the sounds of the environment that the listeners hear while it is performed" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3 ) 4'33" seconds of silence.

May I also point to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_music, whereas we are referring to music as in "organized sound."

Aye, but on the contrary since rap does contain some of the elements defined in set of Music, therefore it must be a subset in Music, therefore rap is music.

And yes Immortal Technique rocks.

Your logic is flawed.