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ChEEbA 10-30-2005 09:52 AM

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And all I'm saying is if you're not going to support her, why make her feel worse by calling her a self-centered asshole?
Because she should...

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But I also learned in New York growing up that ya dont kick a person when they're down. That's a cowardly thing to do. And doesnt make a man a man.
Neither does being an ass-crawler, or assuming geography has, or should have anything to do with this matter.
"Support" all you want, because I am SURE that nobody that has ever made an attempt on their own life would try it again...would they?

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That's a cowardly thing to do as well.
Yep, that's me...big coward.
I'd rather be, than a fool...especially so publicly as yourself...but hey, it's not as though I'm not aware of your underlying reasons.
Can anyone say "the quest continues?" I'm pretty sure if it was a GUY you'd not step up to the plate as you have today...of course you'll say I'm wrong, but of course I'll just think you're as full of shit as ever...man, you're just the same cock weilding pervert you always were. It's a shame...and you don't even think to drop it for long enough to realise you're being a completely irresponsible twat, same as all the other pathetic sympathisers...for whatever reasons THEY might have.
Thanks for making your views on me so clear, couldn't quit without returning the favour, bud.
Have a good 'un, and don't worry, someone will buy into your act...one of these days...good choice on the damaged goods;)

Haunted 10-30-2005 10:20 AM

I came to the mb, because I don't have many friends, and I wanted a little support from people that I've known a while. I didn't mean to stir up trouble, and the last time I checked, talking in a cyber place or a bar to your friends wasn't attention whoring.

I mean, what was I supposed to do? I was by myself, bleeding, and there was nobody to talk to. So, I came here. The last place on Earth. I'm sorry if that was so wrong. I just didn't know what else to do.

Before the fact, I didn't want to talk to anyone, but after I'd gained some rationality, I wanted an ear (or eye as the case may be).

So say whatever you want to about me. It doesn't matter. I'm an unconscionable human being, you're an unconscionable human being. We're in the same boat. We may as well not tip it over.

stubbornforgey 10-30-2005 10:53 AM

I sympathise with you and yes it is great when you feel that when you have nobody to talk to in R/L you can come to a forum and let it all out..most of the time you find support..and as you can see..sometimes you don't.
CheEba..obviously you have dealt with your shit by being angry ..what you must have been going through is a fucker..however...its doesnt give you the authority on the subject..yelling, screaming..being abusive is not going to get you anywhere but a reputation for being a right dickwad.
Many of us have had to deal with crap in our lives..some of them too deep to mention and we have all dealt with them in our own way.
I too feel like you..'hurting yourself is pretty sick shit' but what leads a person to want to hurt themselves is sicker still..none of us can offer a solution as we are not qualified but we can offer at least a supporting ear.
You dont give a fuck''thats kewl!!no body is actually asking.

fannyface 10-30-2005 10:55 AM

I'm sorry but I reckon Haunted's right. You are all silly. petty boring fuckers and I for one wish to take no more part of this pish! Goodbye! :mad:

fannyface 10-30-2005 11:01 AM

p.s. why are australians such whiney bastards anyway?

fannyface 10-30-2005 11:05 AM

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[i]being abusive is not going to get you anywhere but a reputation for being a right dickwad.
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like I mentioned before... ;)

MoonLit Meadow 10-30-2005 11:20 AM

Cheeba-I'm sorry for what you had to witness, with regard to the story you posted. I truly am. Nobody should have to go through that, and I can't begin to imagine the pain it must've caused you and those that you loved.

On the other hand, not everyone's situation is the same. Everybody deals with things differently. Some people have "better" ways of dealing with things than others. When I get angry, or depressed....I don't cut myself. However, some people do...and whether you want to believe it or not, it's not always in their control. As an outsider, I may think it's stupid...or selfish...etc. But I'm not in the state of mind where I would think that I needed to do that, so who am I to judge? I don't know what that kind of desperation feels like.

If something like what happened to you had happened to me, you better believe I'd be angry about it...but if somebody else found themselves in the same situation...maybe I'd try and help them, and share my story with them...so they could perhaps see what kind of damage and pain they would cause to THEIR family if they did it...I'm not sure I'd take my anger out AT THEM...

I don't know about Haunted's life, but I have to imagine that she feels the way she does for a reason. Just like I act out in certain ways about certain things for reasons only I know...or anyone else does for that matter.
I agree with the fact that we have to be responsible for our actions, and that we have to help ourselves. But sometimes in order to help ourselves and change, we have to know that there are people around us who love us and are there to support us...

I'm glad that you're a strong person who seems to be quite capable of taking care of himself...but not everyone is like that...not everyone is that strong. We all have our breaking point, and how we act in times like that will always vary.

I can respect that you feel that suicide, etc is a selfish act...but I'm not sure I can agree with you attacking Haunted herself...People who are thinking of it (suicide, etc) aren't in a "normal" state of mind...if they were, they probably WOULD think about the consequences, etc...and they wouldn't do it.

Mental health issues are REAL, and they have to be treated. To tell somebody whose suffering from schizohprenia, psychosis, depression, etc that they should just get over it and "help themselves" just doesn't work. What also doesn't work, I have to imagine, is making them feel worse about themselves. The act itself may be a terrible thing...but to attack the person....I can't say I agree with that.

I have a B.A in Psychology, so I'd like to think that I'm somebody whose sensitive and mature enough to deal with this subject with an open mind...even though I don't have "personal" experience with it. And I'm pretty sure that Trippin' HAS had personal experience with the matter, but I could be wrong...so, I have to believe his intention here is only to support her...not wave his dick in her face ;) Or whatever was said.

Anyway, not that it matters to anyone...but what matters to me is that people realize those who suffer from any mental health related issue shouldn't be looked at as selfish or crazy, etc...but as people who obviously need help...there's a person there...not just the "issue". However, that doesn't mean I excuse the things they do...I don't buy into every person whose on trial and tries to plead insanity, etc. But I realize that those who TRULY suffer from a m.h related issue have real problems that take time to resolve...and sometimes, sadly...there is no resolution.

Haunted, I genuinely hope that you continue seeking treatment for whatever it is that's going on in your life...and that through that treatment, you deal with your issues and become an even better person than you already are.

Cheeba-We've always been friends, and this is in no way an attempt for me to be a bastard toward you. I'm just honestly surprised you reacted in the way that you did. But you have your reasons, I know. Again.. you just surprised me...I may not agree, but I'm not trying to judge...just stating my opinion b/c it's an issue I care about...just like everyone else.

Marroe 10-30-2005 11:53 AM

As I state my opinion here (I guess I can, everyone else seems to be), I am not "siding" with anyone elses opinions, or putting Haunted down in any way...just speaking from my own experiences with a suicidal mother.
After my mom left my dad she went nuts, went thru boyfriend after boyfreind...and I swear after each and every breakup she "attempted" suicide in one way or another, was put in the hospital numerous times, got put in all sorts of anti-depressants...you get it I'm sure. And why did she do this only after breakups? Simple, for attention. And after each and every one of these attempts people would walk on eggshells around her, and totally baby her...why? In fear she would do it again bacause we all knew she would.
The last time this happened was almost exactly one year ago. Her husband left her for probably about the 5th time for his ex. She was staying with me at the time...when I came home from work this day, I was shocked to see my little brother sitting in the living room floor surrounded by broken glass, crying. I started looking around my apartment and saw there were broken picture frames all over the place, blood all over the furniture, the walls, the floor, my little brother...you name it. So I checked to see if he was ok...nothing coming from him, so I went to the bedroom. My mom's husband was standing in the doorway, I pushed past him and saw my mother on the floor bleeding from both arms, and when I glanced in the bathroom I saw sleeping pills oll over the floor.
I asked her husband what the fuck he was thinking having my little brother here during this...and he said he couldn't leave because my mom needed him there, and he was trying to get her up to go to the hospital. So I told him to fuck off and get my little brother out of here, and finally after a bit of argueing and frantic screaming, he did.
That night I didn't take my mother to the hospital, I didn't even talk to her until she got off her ass and came to me..then all I did was yell at her and tell her what a selfish bitch she was...gave her a box and bandages and told her to clean up herself and help me clean up her mess. Of course she didn't...after about 3 hours of nothing she finally came into the living room and tried to "talk" to me. This turned into the most intense conversation I have ever had in my entire life...I'm not going to get into the entire conversation because this post is already much longer then I'd hoped it would be...but I will say I did make her realize how selfish, and stupid she was being every time she did this, rather than walk on eggshells around her. She didn't like it much that night, she kept threatening me with doing it again...but I really, truely didn't give a fuck at that point. It wasn't until about a week later she actually thanked me for making her realize exactly what she was doing to herself, and our family. Yes, she THANKED me. So what the point of this long, boring post is....maybe Haunted doesn't need to be babied for her actions here. As I've learned with my mother, it only gave her an exuse to do it again...more attention. Personally, I'd rather have positive attention. Maybe someone DID need to tell her exactly how she was acting to make her realize her life is worth a more than what she makes it out to be.
As much as you people want to call Cheeba an asshole for what he said, and think he doesn't care about Haunted...I can tell you from my experience with my mother, that it's the exact opposite. And as TTR said about never having "incident in life"...words like that come from the exact opposite in life.

pinkfloyd45769 10-30-2005 11:56 AM

I understand that some people dont agree with what Haunted did, but why come to her thread and say negative things? I dont want to piss anyone off, however did you ever here of "if you cant say something nice dont fucking post?" Sorry you have to you Haunted that your thread has to be filled with bullshit! Sorry to you as well Cheeba for what you have went through in your life, but it seems to me you would be more compassionate:(

Spallalala 10-30-2005 12:11 PM

Im sure that many of us have been in the situation where they have either tried to kill themselves or have been around someone that has tried.
I have been in both situations. My mother slit her wrists in front of me when I was 5 or 6, with a bottle she had just smashed over the wardrobe.
Im not here for any kind of sympathy from anyone so please dont give any.

You dont have to run to a forum to get help or sympathy, there is professional help out there, they will help more then anyone in here could.

As for you lot bitching at comments made by cheebs, I say get over it. He isn't being an asshole. He has just witnessed many stupid things that haunted has displayed in here.

Not here to bitch just telling you what I have seen.

Haunted, get some help, eat healthy, dont drink too much and be happy ok. Get back to being who you were when I first spoke to you. You have changed alot since then.

And Meadow it is possible to control what you are doing to yourself.


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