I'll back The Host as well

Done.

We are still at the default SIX.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...57593&page=120

I'm okay with those six too. I would personally swap a couple out, but I'm sure we all have that opinion.

My thoughts on the current candidates:

I don't think The Orphanage is necessary because it's in the same vein as Pan's Labyrinth and The Devil's Backbone, but it's a pretty good film. I found the story fairly uneventful, and I predicted the ending, but the atmosphere is decent, albeit overly-dependent on creepy loud noises. If we were going to add a slow-burn atmospheric film, I'd pick Session 9 by a mile.

I agree with some others that Final Destination is not a great film. However, it's the only true slasher in the bunch (by "true" I mean formulaic), so if nothing else, it shows that slashers are not en vogue, and in order to gain notice, they had to do something gimmicky like remove the physical stalker altogether. That's not a great reason to include it, but at least it's a justification.

Some of the other suggested films are really good too. Mum & Dad, The Host, Pulse, Ils, Frontiere(s), Thirst... All worthy. I wouldn't vote for Pulse simply because we already have The Ring and Shutter. I'd rather see some non-"J" Asian horror get in, like Oldboy or Thirst (and I'd pick Oldboy for its notoriety). A much as I love them, I'd have a tough time including two New French Extremist films in the Honorables -- it would be a missed opportunity to sweep up with greater diversity -- but I strongly feel that one should have been in the top 24, and another in the HM's due to the extent of its influence, overall quality, and breadth of style and subject matter.

I guess at this time, I'm not going to add any backings unless someone wants to lobby for a particular film. The films I, personally, would include are Inside, Black Swan, Oldboy, and Session 9, all of which I've already backed. I also like Battle Royale in the list for being a unique outlier (but not officially backing it at this time... I might if it looked like it was going to fall). That would leave one spot for another quality choice, maybe The Signal or The Host, or Devil's Backbone, even though it would double-up on del Toro. He's one of the important drivers of the genre right now, so deserving.



My thoughts on the overall list, realizing this has no bearing:

If we could fine-tune tune the list (understanding that we can't), I'd get rid of The Ring because we already have Ringu in the 90s, or make it a Special Mention since it does have importance for bringing J-Horror worldwide. I think this is a result of us submitting our 2000s while debating the 90s.

I'd remove Dog Soldiers because Neil Marshall doesn't need two, and The Descent is a better representation.

I also don't love having both Behind the Mask or Cabin in the Woods in the top 24. I actually think neither is worthy of such high rankings, but I don't have an issue with one being there. Both satirize our genre by joking about cliches, providing explanations of common flaws, and reinforcing stereotypes. I'd rather dispell that believe by including good films. ;) They're both fun though, and if I were picking one it would be Cabin in the Woods because it's actually scary in parts, and does a nice job with the immoral game show trope. My main beef, however, is just that I think including both is redundant.

I watched Little Otik before backing it (actually not quite finished yet) and it's great. In my mind though, it's proabably a better fit for Honorable Mentions due to its relative obscurity and being a stylistic outlier, but that's only if I were fine-tuning this list to the Nth degree... It's well deserving of a top spot.


Thanks Sculpt... I appreciate the kind words.

If I were fine tuning the list, my first targets for culling would be Jeepers Creepers, Signs and Cabin in the Woods.... None of them are strong enough to warrant a top 20 spot. We are way past that point though and somehow they were all popular choices and represent the opinions of the majority which is ultimately what this process is about.

Yep, totally agree about representing the opinions of the majority. Just throwing my thoughts out there.

Jeepers Creepers is the one film on the list I haven't seen.

No rush there.... Its kinda fun, nice brainless popcorn flick that doesn't tax the brain, but equally doesn't add any value to the genre. I quite like it I guess, but there are easily 50 better films from the era.

Good to know, for both the positives and negatives you point out. It's on my watchlist, but never seems to make the cut come movie-watching time.

Agree wholeheartedly. Also agree with Gigan on Dog Soldiers. I enjoyed all of the films, just wouldn't considering them great or extraordinarily noteworthy. (I know we aren't editing)


If, as a group, we decided against going with the top 6 films (after 21/22 was done), then these would be my 6 HM choices:

The Host aka Gwoemul (2006)
Oldboy (2003)
Pulse aka (Kairo) (2001)
Inside aka À l'intérieur (2007)
Hard Candy (2005)
John Dies at the End (2012)

I still gotta see this one.

John Dies at the End is on Netflix. I think it's fast paced semi-narrated directing, plot and story was really effectively executed, fascinating, and a lot of fun, serious and humorous at the same time. It's sort of it's own fusion type of horror film. I thought it was really smart, and played like stream of consciousness. Not without flaws, but I thought it was original and notable.

Looks like the majority are in favor of the 6 Honorable Mentions as well, so if there aren't any more late surprises, shall we call it for the 2000s here?

We still need to go through ONE more step before we wind up this project.

In case it got lost in my long post, yep, I'm cool with the six.

The only movie i have a problem with is Final Destination. I really dont think it deserves a spot anywhere on here

If folks wanted to go with the new 6 HR backings, I'm ok with it. One could add up the new backings and see what you get.

Looks fine to me...

Is anyone else against Final Destination? Reason I ask is because of Villain's latest post, plus the -1 beside it's name in the list.

Last call, before we wrap up proceedings and go to the last step of our project.

I'll give FD a neg.

Two negative votes for Final Destination - from Villain & NE.

It still has 5 backers (and 3 votes) so it stays in place unless another contender springs up to take it's place. Either that, or someone else negates it's position, in which case it will drop down and the 6th Honorable Mentions spot will be vacated.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...57593&page=120

I'll give this 12 more hours.

If I'm counting right, I think that would put it at 3 votes, which is still one vote more than any other film, so it's still in the top six.

Looking at the rest of the films with 2 votes, there are some good ones there. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm actually considering voting for Hostel. I know that opinions vary on the film, but you've got to admit, that film's name comes up in a lot of horror conversations. If you were to ask many casual horror fans to name 5 horror films from the 2000s, that film might actually get more mentions than any other. Also, the first time I saw it, I was utterly terrified by the concept. I had trouble shaking it for several days, and couldn't help talking about it, even with people that had very little interest in the conversation. Even if you don't like the film, it's hard to deny that there are some unique concepts in it, like the gang of children that will spare your life for candy.

I'd back Hostel. I feel it was very important in getting horror back on track. It definitely influenced, along with Saw, the torture porn craze and its actually a pretty disturbing film IMO. I really liked it when it first came out. I think the only reason it gets bad remarks is actually because of its sub par sequels.

I'll remove my negative vote for Dawn of the Dead and move it to Hostel. While I agree the film's premise was unique, it was lacking in most other places for me. It seemed like more of a ripoff of Psycho and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre than anything. And the acting was not really that great either. Final Destination is a superior films in many ways, in my opinion. The premise was really unique and well-executed. The acting was not Academy Award material, but it was not bad either, in my opinion. As for formulaic, that was the kind of the point. It was intended to be a different kind of slasher. I think there is a lot more to it than many here have assumed. Anyway, in my opinion, it is far more deserving to be on this list than Hostel, which is why I will negative vote Hostel. I respect everyone's opinions, but simply strongly disagree. Other than that, the Honorable Mentions section is fine with me.

I'm fine with Hostel not being on the list. There's plenty of other movies that deserve it more. However i do like the film and believe it to be important to the genre due to when it came out and what it contributed towards however the real reason i backed it is to try and get rid of Final Destination. All your arguments showed was that Final Destination is better, in your opinion, then Hostel and shows just how mediocre FD is.

I like Final Destination, i really do. It's stupid fun. But it's basically just "Let's see how everyone dies next." It's not scary, it's not well made or well acted. If it weren't for all the ridiculous sequels they churned out, it would be forgettable.

Final Destination is barely a movie, it's a cheap gimmick. It's not a good movie that somebody made. It's an interesting premise that someone came up with and then turned into a movie.

That's why I mentioned adding them up, because I posted, if we're not sticking with original 6, then my 6 HR backings are (and I've included the backings):

The Host aka Gwoemul (2006) (backed by The Villain) {Straker*}, Sculpt) [The Host on netfilx]
Oldboy (2003) (backed by neverending, seconded by Giganticface, Sculpt)
Pulse aka (Kairo) (2001) (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker, Sculpt)
Inside aka À l'intérieur (2007) (backed by Giganticface, seconded by neverending, Straker) {The Villain*}, Sculpt)
Hard Candy (2005) (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815, Straker, Sculpt)
John Dies at the End (2012) (Sculpt)

I think The Host, Oldboy and Pulse would be better choices than Hostel. I'm leaving official counts to V only, but for the sake of making any practical sense whatsoever: my HR backings would (unofficially) give these three films 3 backings each. One switch by someone would seal the 6th HR.

Villian - would you support Oldboy or Pulse over Hostel?
Mett - would you support Host, Oldboy or Pulse over Hostel?
Gigan - would you support Host or Oldboy over Hostel?
Straker - would you support Oldboy over Hostel?
neverending - would you support Host over Hostel?

If any of you would, than that would become the 6th HR (unofficially).

I hated Oldboy and have only seen the remake of Pulse so no i wouldnt. But i would prefer Host over Hostel and Final Destination. I know i've already backed it but thats one i would really like to see make the list.

All added.

2 films drop down from the SIX, and thus 2 spots have been vacated. We have 3 new contenders for those slots, which makes it a fight between 5 films for 2 spots.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...57593&page=120

Battle Royale
Final Destination
The Host
Oldboy
Kairo (aka) Pulse

Need to find 2 from the above 5.

I've already backed Pulse and Battle Royale. I'll also back Oldboy.

You already backed Oldboy too. I think you were the first. :)

Damn...lol...

The remake of Oldboy looks really cool to me. Directed by Spike Lee.

Like I needed another reason not to see it.

I really don't get why people like that movie so much.

Well, we seem to be at a standstill, so in this battle personal preferences, I guess I'll start voting for other peoples' favorites.

Battle Royale
The Host

FYI - The Host is on Netflix.

Miike is a god...

So is Chan-wook Park. ;)

Yep, I've seen it.

I just wanna say, Oldboy is one of my favourite revenge flicks and The Vengeance Trilogy, for me, is at the zenith of revenge cinema. I also think Park Chan-wook is an amazing writer and director. That said, when I think Oldboy I don't automatically think 'horror' which is why I haven't backed it.... I'll be honest, its also why I am a little disappointed to see a lack of support for 'Thirst'. Want some Park Chan-wook in the list? Get behind his best 'horror' flick before its too late!

Damn... this senility thing is really getting to me.

Still haven't heard what people like about it so much, aside from it has a good director. (That is if NE can remember who made it.) All i've read is that it's great.

I'm not knocking anyone's personal opinion. If you like it, that's cool. I just don't and if it was some run of the mill movie, i really wouldnt care but this movie get's a lot of praise and i just don't see why.

Done.

And we again arrive at SIX selected for Honorable Mentions :-

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...57593&page=120

If majority are in favor, we can call it here and move ahead.

To the Bat Cave

I'll go with those.