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Angra 02-23-2009 05:28 AM

This might come as quite a shock for you V, but i say no to movies such as Oldboy.

If Oldboy and Co. gets accepted, I'd like to add Tony Jaa's "The Protector" as it shows the horrors of elephant killings in asia.. and it's damn good.

Despare 02-23-2009 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 790510)
Any of those your personal favorites more than the others?

When I finish my list I'll let you know which ones I personally enjoy more.

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Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 790510)
The ones I've seen that I omitted, I find pretty overrated:
  • A tale of two sisters
  • Re-cycle
  • The eye
  • Ju-on: the grudge 2
  • ringu 0

I'm with you on all but Eye and Tale. I have both Eye movies and find them very effective and as far as Tale of Two Sisters, I sat down and watched that flick followed by Audition with a buddy and both of us liked Tale better.

roshiq 02-23-2009 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 790670)
But if we are leaving the window open by including Se7en and other similar thrillers under the genre's broad definition, Oldboy stakes a claim too.

So...what will it be?

then it also easily deserve a place in the list along with the other two vengeance films and obviously Memories of Murder.:cool:

Doc Faustus 02-23-2009 07:06 AM

Horror novelists and scholars prefer an inclusive definition of the genre. If that's the way Stephen King, Clive Barker, Kim Newman and others like them think of the genre, I think it's a smart way for fans to approach it. If we only went with movies that were undeniably horror with no crossgenre content, no uniqueness of setting and nothing debatable in tone, we'd end up with...umm....well, there's...

ferretchucker 02-23-2009 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 790644)
Your arguments stinks.

If we look at it like that EVERY movie is a horror movie in one way or another.


And how can we argue about Ichi? That movie is gory and gross as hell. Of course THAT's a horror movie.

STOP IT, ALL OF YOU! You're tearing this family apart!


Seriously, I didn't know people cared so much about Asian Horror.

As for Godzilla, I thought the first film was worth a watch and the rest were good for laughs at how bad they were. Especially with the inclusion of Monsterland and Minilla.

ChronoGrl 02-23-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 790644)
Your arguments stinks.

If we look at it like that EVERY movie is a horror movie in one way or another.


And how can we argue about Ichi? That movie is gory and gross as hell. Of course THAT's a horror movie.

YOUR "slippery slope" argument stinks.

Oldboy and Lady Vengeance have classic gothic horror themes that make the movie more than just another Asian action flick. Note that I haven't included "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" here. The line that I am drawing is that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance both include intense horror themes that challenge the audience's perception. "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" is more of a pulp action drama.

They're not just action - There's more going on that follows classic horror themes.

Angra 02-23-2009 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 790700)
YOUR "slippery slope" argument stinks.

Oldboy and Lady Vengeance have classic gothic horror themes that make the movie more than just another Asian action flick. Note that I haven't included "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" here. The line that I am drawing is that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance both include intense horror themes that challenge the audience's perception. "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" is more of a pulp action drama.

They're not just action - There's more going on that follows classic horror themes.


I don't see the horror. Sorry.

ChronoGrl 02-23-2009 07:59 AM

I like this discussion. Just started a thread here about it so as not to clog up this thread anymore.

Now back to the Top Asian Compilation!!

newb 02-23-2009 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 790681)



I'm with you on all but Eye and Tale. I have both Eye movies and find them very effective and as far as Tale of Two Sisters, I sat down and watched that flick followed by Audition with a buddy and both of us liked Tale better.

I agree re: The Eye. Its the only movie in the last 10 years to actually send a shiver down my spine. I know a lot has to do with the audio [ and I usually have surround sound crank up pretty good ] but that damn calligraphy scene gets me every time.

urgeok2 02-23-2009 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by newb (Post 790708)
I agree re: The Eye. Its the only movie in the last 10 years to actually send a shiver down my spine. I know a lot has to do with the audio [ and I usually have surround sound crank up pretty good ] but that damn calligraphy scene gets me every time.

same here exactly - the Eye is an excellent ghost story.


i know for a fact that i'm not going to be able to come up with a list with anything on it not already mentioned here (let alone Zwoti's list)

The Flayed One 02-23-2009 09:08 AM

I sent my list. I didn't include anything that made the original two HDC 100s just to try to get variety in.

For those of you who haven't seen it, I suggested Kakurenbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPz50Kh7cI

_____V_____ 02-23-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 790674)
This might come as quite a shock for you V, but i say no to movies such as Oldboy.

If Oldboy and Co. gets accepted, I'd like to add Tony Jaa's "The Protector" as it shows the horrors of elephant killings in asia.. and it's damn good.

Its your turn to be shocked, Angra, but I completely agree with you.

Read the thread from the beginning. It was my "no" which started this debate.

zwoti 02-23-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 790710)
i know for a fact that i'm not going to be able to come up with a list with anything on it not already mentioned here (let alone Zwoti's list)


not all of them are good, but virtually all of them haven't been mentioned by anyone else (i could have added a bunch of awful thai films. but i'm not that cruel),



but you are going to need over 100 films to do a top 100.



so initially it has to be quantity over quality, the judges can sort out the quality later.

Doc Faustus 02-23-2009 09:44 AM

That's why I think we should keep the list broad. I don't mean counting Chungking Express or anything, but Horror/Exploitation/Camp is a good standard. They would still be things of interest to horror fans and this site is meant to enlighten horror fans and show them things they like.

The Flayed One 02-23-2009 09:54 AM

With the Other HDC Top 100, I didn't make any stipulations as to what was sent in, other than it not be a part of the original Top 100. There were several movies there that were not even remotely close to being a horror movie, but I let the judges define what was and was not acceptable. I suggest we do the same here instead of debating it in the thread.

If we must, however, I propose a question in the Oldboy/Ichi debate. Do you consider Full Metal Yakuza viable for the list? I find it to be a middle ground between the two.

neverending 02-23-2009 10:04 AM

I've seen no mention of Snake of June.

People hate it that much?

Papillon Noir 02-23-2009 10:05 AM

Okay, here's my list (I tried to do them in order of preference as much as possible):

Perfect Blue
Ninja Scroll
Vampire Hunter D
L.I.L.Y. Cat
Audition
Battle Royale
Demon City Shinjuku
Wicked City
Oldboy (I'm with Chrono here!)
Paprika
Imprint
Legend of the Overfiend
Death Note
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Tetsuo: Iron Man
Death Note II: The Last Name


I think if you're looking to expand the list, I don't think you should try to include exploitation but to expand to horror series. Since anime series are such a staple in Japan, a lot of exceptional horror are in these series and I think they should definitely be considered.

My anime series list:

Gantz
When They Cry
Elfen Lied
Berserk
Death Note
Boogiepop Phantom

zwoti 02-23-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 790749)
I've seen no mention of Snake of June.

People hate it that much?

no, it's just not on my list.


vital is though :D

ChronoGrl 02-23-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 790749)
I've seen no mention of Snake of June.

People hate it that much?

I've never seen it...........

_____V_____ 02-23-2009 12:57 PM

Title of compilation is changed, as per debate and discussion in the thread. Have added Angra's, Doc's, Flayed's & Papillon's recs to the compilation, alongwith my own list.

Also, I have a small announcement to make. But that will be later, when I get in touch with someone.

Angra 02-23-2009 01:10 PM

Maybe we should all just watch more asian horror movies and then get back to this thread in about 6 months..

scouse mac 02-23-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by newb (Post 790708)
I agree re: The Eye. Its the only movie in the last 10 years to actually send a shiver down my spine. I know a lot has to do with the audio [ and I usually have surround sound crank up pretty good ] but that damn calligraphy scene gets me every time.



Its one of my favourite films.

That scene is one of the few which has ever made me jump and swear aloud!
:eek: :eek:

_____V_____ 02-24-2009 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 790779)
Maybe we should all just watch more asian horror movies and then get back to this thread in about 6 months..

Thats certainly a pretty good option too.

Announcement stands postponed till further notice. Things didnt work out on that front.

EDIT - Nevermind.

Despare 02-24-2009 08:47 AM

Before we rush to judgments on any movies, let's see what everybody has to say via their lists. :)

_____V_____ 02-24-2009 08:54 AM

Announcement



As of right now, Despare is host and in charge of compiling the Asian Horror/Exploitation Top 100.

I am stepping down, and handing over all the lists sent to me so far to him, and would like to request all members and (future) Judges to co-operate with him and support him fully in finalising a worthy 100 as a collective representation for fans of Asian horror both in HDC, and around the world.

All those who havent submitted their lists yet, please do so and PM them to Despare directly. He will take over from here onwards.

Thanks.

roshiq 02-25-2009 12:13 AM

Will the deadline be remain same for submitting list or there may be any extension?

I tried to pm Des but I guess his pm box is overloaded to accept any new one.:)

roshiq 02-25-2009 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Flayed One (Post 790727)
I sent my list. I didn't include anything that made the original two HDC 100s just to try to get variety in.

For those of you who haven't seen it, I suggested Kakurenbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPz50Kh7cI

Saw it yesterday, excellent! Thanks for sharing here.:)

Despare 02-25-2009 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by roshiq (Post 791054)
Will the deadline be remain same for submitting list or there may be any extension?

I tried to pm Des but I guess his pm box is overloaded to accept any new one.:)

I like the deadline of March 1st but it's really up to you guys. Have a few Netflix on the way? Want to visit the local rental place and rent the few Asian horror flicks they have collecting dust in the back? Let me know.


My box has more room now.

Angra 02-25-2009 10:10 PM

I have to get this out my system.


I think it's bullshit that we're adding exploitation movies to the horror list just because we haven't watched enough good asian horror movies to fill out a top 100.

Instead why not just settle with an asian horror top 50 compilation?

Or wait half a year with this list and let some of us asian horror nuts look for more good titles to add. I mean, what's the hurry?


We can always make a HDC Asian exploitation top 20/30/40whatever compilation.

ferretchucker 02-25-2009 10:52 PM

Where's the love for the blaxploitation?

Angra 02-25-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 791208)
Where's the love for the blaxploitation?

I don't know what blaxploitation is.


I've got nothing against explotation movies. I just don't see the genre go that well together with Horror movies on a top list. Of course, some horror movies ARE exploitation, but the ones that aren't will ruin this list for me.

Despare 02-26-2009 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 791209)
I don't know what blaxploitation is.


I've got nothing against explotation movies. I just don't see the genre go that well together with Horror movies on a top list. Of course, some horror movies ARE exploitation, but the ones that aren't will ruin this list for me.

You know what, if five people here think a certain exploitation movie is in the horror genre as well maybe it should be considered. I'm sorry it wouldn't mesh with your opinion but sometimes you just have to not be a pompous ass and open your mind a little bit. For fuck's sake man, it's a community project, it's not one lone voice being heard.

Angra 02-26-2009 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 791213)
You know what, if five people here think a certain exploitation movie is in the horror genre as well maybe it should be considered. I'm sorry it wouldn't mesh with your opinion but sometimes you just have to not be a pompous ass and open your mind a little bit. For fuck's sake man, it's a community project, it's not one lone voice being heard.


Whatever..

This list is not my child anymore.

Despare 02-26-2009 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 791214)
Whatever..

This list is not my child anymore.

Being disagreed with doesn't set well with you does it? Don't be a baby, your input would be so valuable on this list but instead of submitting, discussing, and voting you're presuming that a lot of non-horror flicks will be included with this list. Not all exploitation is horror but a lot of it is, and maybe youre definition of horror doesn't include alot of that but it should be up for discussion as to what exploitation films can fit into the horror genre. If you can't see that, then you're blind to open discussion anyway.

newb 02-26-2009 04:46 AM

hmmm.....This is going well.

urgeok2 02-26-2009 05:02 AM

i thought the name of this forum was Horror Dot Com

yet exploitation is discussed as much as horror if not more at times

violent action films
martial arts films
revenge films


i've been on at least 5 major 'Horror' forums and have found that exploitation flicks were very muched discussed on every single one of them because the overlap in theme, atmosphere, and interest. It is undeniably entwined with 'pure horror' around our film sensibilities.

and nothing reflects this more than the asian market.

realistically .... with 'pure horror' - pure asian horror - even a top 50 would be pushing it ... the last 25 would be mediochre at best.

this is to be a list of films we use to recommend to each other - it might as well include all the films that horror fans would appreciate.

Despare 02-26-2009 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by newb (Post 791216)
hmmm.....This is going well.

If somebody doesn't want to take part because they can't be open to the ideas of the forum then it's unfortunate but won't kill the project.



Kakurenbo looks great Flayed, can't wait to check it out.




I hope Smackytherabbit sends some recs...

Papillon Noir 02-26-2009 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Angra (Post 791206)
I have to get this out my system.


I think it's bullshit that we're adding exploitation movies to the horror list just because we haven't watched enough good asian horror movies to fill out a top 100.

Instead why not just settle with an asian horror top 50 compilation?

Or wait half a year with this list and let some of us asian horror nuts look for more good titles to add. I mean, what's the hurry?


We can always make a HDC Asian exploitation top 20/30/40whatever compilation.

Actually, I think Angra brings up a really good point. Obviously most people here don't watch as much Asian horror to come up with 100 movies, so I think narrowing it down to only 50 is a good idea instead of trying to include it with exploitation.

I also think maybe doing a separate exploitation would be a good idea, I could probably come up with more exploitation than horror for asia. Plus this would be better than trying to force them together. Not everyone who is looking at a horror list may want to see a bunch of exploitation there and vice versa.

Despare 02-26-2009 05:32 AM

Nobody even knows the suggestions yet! We're jumping to conclusions...

Why don't we see which films are suggested and go from there, if we object then we object, but CHILL OUT.

Papillon Noir 02-26-2009 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 791217)
i thought the name of this forum was Horror Dot Com

yet exploitation is discussed as much as horror if not more at times

violent action films
martial arts films
revenge films


i've been on at least 5 major 'Horror' forums and have found that exploitation flicks were very muched discussed on every single one of them because the overlap in theme, atmosphere, and interest. It is undeniably entwined with 'pure horror' around our film sensibilities.

and nothing reflects this more than the asian market.

realistically .... with 'pure horror' - pure asian horror - even a top 50 would be pushing it ... the last 25 would be mediochre at best.

this is to be a list of films we use to recommend to each other - it might as well include all the films that horror fans would appreciate.

Maybe we should skip asian horror then and just do an exploitation only or perhaps expansion asian horror to foreign horror (which you could break out by region if you wanted to) or something? I still think that trying to smoosh horror and exploitation together is just going to taint the list though. :cool:


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