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NiKKiE 11-23-2008 11:34 AM

Wow so you just insulted me by calling my a idiot maybe you'll get banned too

so skyblue i take it your a fag boy too?

urgeok2 11-23-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761940)
Wow so you just insulted me by calling my a idiot maybe you'll get banned too

so skyblue i take it your a fag boy too?


you are a FUCKING idiot.

better ?

Posher778 11-23-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761940)
Wow so you just insulted me by calling my a idiot maybe you'll get banned too

so skyblue i take it your a fag boy too?

No, he won't get banned. You can't ban someone for being 100% right.

Deep4est 11-23-2008 11:35 AM

If I were gay I wouldn't admit to it. Not because of the prejudice and bigotry toward gays but because my walk in closet is so damned clutered with junk I can't even get into it nevermind coming out.

ferretchucker 11-23-2008 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 761904)
There's no such thing as science pretty much determining something. Either it's a fact (They have pinpointed the gene) or it's a theory (Someone believes it, but have no proof.) Plenty of scientists speculate their theories as fact, but it's doesn't make it true until they can prove it.

Like I said, if it was genetic, there's no logic in that gene surviving evolution for hundreds and thousands of years. My own personal scientific theory is that it's a personal choice the individual makes. Until I see proof to the contrary, I don't think I'll be persuaded to believe otherwise.

But the idea is that it isn't a gene, but merely a more balanced amount of hormones. Everybody has both male and female hormones. Men have more male one, women have more female ones. But if a man has a closer balance of man - woman hormones, he may be attracted to males, as women are. It's the same but opposite for gay women. It's not really one gene. And though it's no fact yet, it's more than just a theory, as they have a lot of evidence to back it up, but not enough to make it totally conclusive.

I personally don't see how it could be a choice, because if it were, the gay people who receive constant abuse for it would merely change. But they don't because they can't help how they feel. Same as I'm sure you wouldn't be able to stop finding women attractive, even if you tried.

hellfire1 11-23-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 761948)
I personally don't see how it could be a choice, because if it were, the gay people who receive constant abuse for it would merely change. But they don't because they can't help how they feel. Same as I'm sure you wouldn't be able to stop finding women attractive, even if you tried.



Well said and agreed.

skyblue342 11-23-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 761948)
I personally don't see how it could be a choice, because if it were, the gay people who receive constant abuse for it would merely change. But they don't because they can't help how they feel. Same as I'm sure you wouldn't be able to stop finding women attractive, even if you tried.


Wow your so young ferret but your very wise.:)

ferretchucker 11-23-2008 11:47 AM

I get that a lot. ;)

skyblue342 11-23-2008 11:48 AM

I can already see you as a adult being really wise and mature thats awesome.

Posher778 11-23-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by skyblue342 (Post 761965)
I can already see you as a adult being really wise and mature thats awesome.

And gay, don't forget gay.


Just kidding Gabe...:p

bwind22 11-23-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 761948)
But the idea is that it isn't a gene, but merely a more balanced amount of hormones. Everybody has both male and female hormones. Men have more male one, women have more female ones. But if a man has a closer balance of man - woman hormones, he may be attracted to males, as women are. It's the same but opposite for gay women. It's not really one gene. And though it's no fact yet, it's more than just a theory, as they have a lot of evidence to back it up, but not enough to make it totally conclusive.

I personally don't see how it could be a choice, because if it were, the gay people who receive constant abuse for it would merely change. But they don't because they can't help how they feel. Same as I'm sure you wouldn't be able to stop finding women attractive, even if you tried.

Well, what you are refering to is a chemical imbalance. That's entirely possible, but it actually seems like a more negative statement than calling it an individual choice or a gene they are born with. A chemical imbalance suggests something is wrong with their body and they could go get a perscription to correct it, which I don't really agree with. I don't think anything is wrong with them physically and they certainly shouldn't have to take medication to 'correct' their chemical imbalance. (Also, I don't believe the scientific community is working on a cure for homosexuality. I realize you never suggested they were, but a chemical imbalance is something that could be 'cured'.)

And for the record, I am not on the same page as this Bible banger Nikkie that just showed up. I don't think being gay is a sin and I don't hold it against anyone. Like I said earlier, I have some gay friends. I just personally don't believe that it's something people are born with. At some point in their life, through nature, nurture, environment or just personal preference, they decided to like people of the same sex. If it occured at a very young age, it's perfectly reasonable to me that they would just assume that's the way they've always been. And some day, science may prove that wrong, but until that happens, that's just my own personal theory/belief.

missmacabre 11-23-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761924)
No one is born gay. Gay is a sin therefore since no child is born a sinner you could of never been born gay. Dont get offended im allowed to think what is right :)

People like you give Christians like me a bad name. I hate to get into a religious debate but the basic rule for being a Christian is Do unto others as you would have done to you. As Christians we should be accepting of others and try to understand them. Not to tell people they are wrong for not agreeing with us, and certainly not to make others miserable.

bwind22 11-23-2008 11:55 AM

Any good Christian will tell you that God is the only true judge of what is and is not a sin, so in condemning people here for being gay, are you not sinning yourself?

NiKKiE 11-23-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 761976)
People like you give Christians like me a bad name. I hate to get into a religious debate but the basic rule for being a Christian is Do unto others as you would have done to you. As Christians we should be accepting of others and try to understand them. Not to tell people they are wrong for not agreeing with us, and certainly not to make others miserable.

Are you stupid? Christians do not go with gays we are against them why? God created us not to be gay adam and eve man and woman not man and man woman and woman. If you were a true christian you would not be for gays.

NiKKiE 11-23-2008 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 761973)
Well, what you are refering to is a chemical imbalance. That's entirely possible, but it actually seems like a more negative statement than calling it an individual choice or a gene they are born with. A chemical imbalance suggests something is wrong with their body and they could go get a perscription to correct it, which I don't really agree with. I don't think anything is wrong with them physically and they certainly shouldn't have to take medication to 'correct' their chemical imbalance. (Also, I don't believe the scientific community is working on a cure for homosexuality. I realize you never suggested they were, but a chemical imbalance is something that could be 'cured'.)

And for the record, I am not on the same page as this Bible banger Nikkie that just showed up. I don't think being gay is a sin and I don't hold it against anyone. Like I said earlier, I have some gay friends. I just personally don't believe that it's something people are born with. At some point in their life, through nature, nurture, environment or just personal preference, they decided to like people of the same sex. If it occured at a very young age, it's perfectly reasonable to me that they would just assume that's the way they've always been. And some day, science may prove that wrong, but until that happens, that's just my own personal theory/belief.


I've been a member since 03 i didnt just show up stupid.

skyblue342 11-23-2008 11:58 AM

EVIL WOMAN BE GONE! haha

missmacabre 11-23-2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761981)
Are you stupid? Christians do not go with gays we are against them why? God created us not to be gay adam and eve man and woman not man and man woman and woman. If you were a true christian you would not be for gays.

I guess I'm stupid then. God created Adam and Eve, and yes I think that is the way a relationship should be. Doesn't mean I am going to war with every person who isn't like that. Many of my best friends are homosexual or bisexual, Posher included. I love and accept all of them, just the same as I love any human being no matter what. It's not my place to tell them if their lifestyle is right or wrong. I feel I am on this earth to be there for people and attempt to make it a better place by making people happy. Nothing less, nothing more.

massacre man 11-23-2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761981)
Are you stupid? Christians do not go with gays we are against them why? God created us not to be gay adam and eve man and woman not man and man woman and woman. If you were a true christian you would not be for gays.

I never understood how people could have this mindset...

skyblue342 11-23-2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761981)
Are you stupid? Christians do not go with gays we are against them why? God created us not to be gay adam and eve man and woman not man and man woman and woman. If you were a true christian you would not be for gays.

Dont call her stupid. You know these are the things you think, okay. Your thoughts are allowed here thats fine but you shouldnt insult people. Your a rude evil person and i get tired of hearing this crap. Why did you even come back on here to rant and treat us like crap. Go away seriously your not wanted your just going to get banned.

hellfire1 11-23-2008 12:04 PM

Bwind, since you believe sexuality is a choice, do you believe you also chose to be heterosexual at some point in your life?

Simple curiosity...

NiKKiE 11-23-2008 12:05 PM

You people are stupid. Why has this world come to this. Gays accepted like there good or something.. there monsters created by satan. Im disgusted with how there looked upon as normal.

missmacabre 11-23-2008 12:09 PM

BTW I'm with Bwind on sexuality being a choice for the most part. When I look at my friends and just in most situations there is something that happened to cause their homosexuality. My friend's Moms for instance were straight but are now lesbians because they had so many bad relationships with men. A few friends who are gay had been sexualy abused by the opposite sex when they were young. young enough to have not yet gone through puberty and had an attraction to the opposite sex. Then they are suddenly afraid of the opposite sex and what else is there?

ferretchucker 11-23-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Posher778 (Post 761968)
And gay, don't forget gay.


You sound just like the guys at school! :P

And Bwind, I wouldn't even dare think you were like Nikki. She's on a whole other page.


And Nikki. God is meant to be all forgiving. He gave people free will for a reason. Gay people can live their life how they want. Being gay isn't a sin. Show me the eleventh commandment that says "Though shall not pound ass" (no offense to our homosexual posters intended). Maybe you need to be reminded of this.

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 761351)
The thing that annoys me is that racists, sexists and homophobics choose to be those things. A persons Race, sex or Sexuality isn't their choice. I think discriminating someone for something they can't change is despicable, though as Despare said, they have a right to their opinions. I think I'd rather they didn't voice them though. Because the second something leaves the persons mouth, they can't take it back and it effects those who heard it.

Think what you will, but speaking it creates hate. You think that's what Jesus preached? Hate your fellow man for their way of life? NO! Those who preach hate, in the Christian religion, would go to HELL!

hellfire1 11-23-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 761996)
BTW I'm with Bwind on sexuality being a choice for the most part. When I look at my friends and just in most situations there is something that happened to cause their homosexuality. My friend's Moms for instance were straight but are now lesbians because they had so many bad relationships with men. A few friends who are gay had been sexualy abused by the opposite sex when they were young. young enough to have not yet gone through puberty and had an attraction to the opposite sex. Then they are suddenly afraid of the opposite sex and what else is there?



Then my question applies to you as well.

La Chat Noire 11-23-2008 12:11 PM

It really drives me crazy when people use God and religion as an excuse for intolerance and prejudice. Don't most Christians believe God unconditionally loves and accepts people for who they are?

massacre man 11-23-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761993)
You people are stupid. Why has this world come to this. Gays accepted like there good or something.. there monsters created by satan. Im disgusted with how there looked upon as normal.

No, monsters created by Satan are those filled with hate.

ferretchucker 11-23-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by massacre man (Post 762002)
No, monsters created by Satan are those filled with hate.

That was what I said JACKASS!

Stay calm ferret. Stay calm...

:p


I think some people can become gay later in life, but once again, it isn't just a wim. In this case, it is something that affects their mind so badly they cannot forgive the opposite sex. This is more of a psychological trauma than a choice. At least, that's how I feel. I still think that in all cases, people can't consciously choose.

missmacabre 11-23-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hellfire1 (Post 762000)
Then my question applies to you as well.

I'm young and have had my experimental time. Either way was enjoyable but personally I like guys better. Biologically I can see why either sex would say "Hey, I like having a strong man to protect me, but ladies are all soft and curvy and emotionally understanding." That said, sexuality to me is all about love. I am in love with a man and I love how having his arms around me makes me feel protected. I know I'll be with him for the rest of my life, so when we started getting serious I chose right then to be straight. I just have no need for a lesbian relationship.

missmacabre 11-23-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by La Chat Noire (Post 762001)
It really drives me crazy when people use God and religion as an excuse for intolerance and prejudice. Don't most Christians believe God unconditionally loves and accepts people for who they are?

Exactly. Unfortunately I don't think it's most.

stubbornforgey 11-23-2008 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761993)
You people are stupid. Why has this world come to this. Gays accepted like there good or something.. there monsters created by satan. Im disgusted with how there looked upon as normal.

Did you know that in the original Romeo and Juliet play..
Juliet was played by a man??
Who are you to label others because of thier opinion?
Being prejudice is not normal either.

hellfire1 11-23-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 762006)
I'm young and have had my experimental time. Either way was enjoyable but personally I like guys better. Biologically I can see why either sex would say "Hey, I like having a strong man to protect me, but ladies are all soft and curvy and emotionally understanding." That said, sexuality to me is all about love. I am in love with a man and I love how having his arms around me makes me feel protected. I know I'll be with him for the rest of my life, so when we started getting serious I chose right then to be straight. I just have no need for a lesbian relationship.



Understandable. But to me, it isn't that you "chose" to be straight... you just chose to be in a committed relationship. And the person you chose to be with just happens to be a man. And for me, personally, if you've had relationships/experiences with both genders, that makes you bi. Or at least bi-curious.

bwind22 11-23-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761982)
I've been a member since 03 i didnt just show up stupid.

I don't give a shit how long you've been a member. You just showed up in this thread. Douchebag.

I'm not gonna waaste my time on you. You'll be banned before the end of the day.

bwind22 11-23-2008 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hellfire1 (Post 761992)
Bwind, since you believe sexuality is a choice, do you believe you also chose to be heterosexual at some point in your life?

Simple curiosity...

Fair question. I believe procreation of the species is the natural instinct of any animal so we're all born hetero by default. At some point, certain people decide to be homosexual. *shrug* That's cool.

missmacabre 11-23-2008 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hellfire1 (Post 762009)
Understandable. But to me, it isn't that you "chose" to be straight... you just chose to be in a committed relationship. And the person you chose to be with just happens to be a man. And for me, personally, if you've had relationships/experiences with both genders, that makes you bi. Or at least bi-curious.

I can understand why you would think that I'm bi, and I have had to explain this to my friend once too. Bi-curious maybe, definitely even. Not Bi anymore though, cause when I was experimenting I was attracted to girls and guys. Now I can look at a guy and still find him sexually attractive but when I see a hot girl all I think is that she's pretty. Or oh, I like her blouse. Whatever... just no feelings for women you know?

I wish I was better at explaining what I think and putting things into words.

Freak 11-23-2008 12:39 PM

I dont have a problem with gay people.If you wanna be gay that's fine.What I do have a problem with is the one's that go running down the stree announce it to the world.The ones who talk in those really feminine voices and say things like "Oh my gosh." or who walk and sit like a woman.

ferretchucker 11-23-2008 12:43 PM

True. I think sexuality is yours and so you shouldn't force it onto people. It's like "You're gay. We get it! Stop trying to prove it to us...WE BELIEVE YOU!"

urgeok2 11-23-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKKiE (Post 761982)
I've been a member since 03 i didnt just show up stupid.


you definately showed up stupid..


its not like you had a choice to show up any other way

Despare 11-23-2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 762022)
True. I think sexuality is yours and so you shouldn't force it onto people. It's like "You're gay. We get it! Stop trying to prove it to us...WE BELIEVE YOU!"

The thing that makes me angriest about that is when schools let their students demonstrate or have a "gay pride day". It's a sexual preference and has no place in schools.

ferretchucker 11-23-2008 12:54 PM

I think when gays do that they're hurting their cause by perpetuating the idea they're different to straight people. Why not just leave it at we're all humans?

newb 11-23-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 762026)
you definately showed up stupid..


its not like you had a choice to show up any other way

LOL........classic:D


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