You would think somebody's instinct would be to fight back. Also I know quite a bit about Glocks and they are prone to reloading complications and jamming which is why many police and security forces are starting to move away from them. It seems like people just don't try but, it's not their fault, this kid was a maniac and didn't deserve the media attention he's got. His name, his face, and his videos should have never been shown. I agree with Pr3ssur3 about the whole final word thing.

im so glad im a girl and i dont have to know shit about guns.!!!

if you lived outside america you wouldn't have to no shit regardless of your gender. also, one final thought as this thread is losing momentum, i'm absolutely shocked that some of you lot think that more guns are the answer to these massacres. i propose a ban on guns closely followed by bruce willis and john wayne movies. less guns=less murders.

Ban "Bruce Willis" flicks?Are you CRAZY?:mad: :D


They can take our guns,but don't F*CK with "Die Hard."

Like I said, I'm sure if the other students were armed as well and it would have been a fair fight as opposed to a suicide quest, they probably would have fought back.


How is that relevant? Cho's gun didn't jam & USA Today ran a story this morning about how his shooting spree was nearly ceaseless. On a Glock 19, after the last shot of a clip, the slide locks back automatically. One push of a button near the trigger with the thumb ejects the cartridge, the other hand pops in the new clip, then the same thumb pushes the slide release & you are back in action. It literally takes like 3 seconds at the most for someone that knows what they're doing.

No arguement there. The media sensationalizing the event feeds into the fear (Media cultivating fear. Imagine that!) people have in general and is probably creating new pyschopaths as we speak.

The media needs something to cook its beef upon, and they have got a barbecue on their hands. This incident's levity is only being marred by its sensationalisation. As long as they keep cooking the story up, this country will hit the meat-grinder in no time.

What I find truly sad is that after Columbine, you'd think that there were more measures to prevent such an occurance again. Apparently history will continue to repeat itself. News stations will play Cho's videos and another gaggle of disenfranchised people will copycat for their 15 minutes of infamy, the same finger pointing from the "No Guns/ More Guns" sides debate will flare up again long enough until something more sensational happens, the families will bury their fallen and everyone will go on with their lives until the next one. Nothing changes. People get riled up enough to have an opinion, but never enough to do anything.
CK

yes banning guns will bring down crime and murder for a short time mabe 20 years if were lucky but people will always find away to distroy one another. and you can kill people with more then guns, the problem is society makes us think there is a certain social standerd on how to act what to think, and that causes out casts, racism, people being judge, these things can cause phycological problems, then society says if you get help for your issues your broken and that is not normal, so that creats more tension then one day a boy in school has had enough of people thinking hes wierd because he likes blue hair or because he dosent dress trendy etc and he goes and kills, it could be avoided if people excepted that every one is diffrent no ones personality is alike and that its ok to get help when things are bothering you, there will always be crim and murder as long as societys views are like this im saying if it changes that peoplewill stop doing bad things but it will go down, think how many kids and women kill there parents/husband because of the abuse that goes on, its to hard to get it dealt with you know how much proof a school needs to have to get a parents right taken away when there abuseing there kids, there has to be pictures, the kids have to stand on that stand and tell there parents beat them, wives have to risk there lifes to just try to escape, and i dont want to hear that there is no reson a girl cant keep a guy from herting them, guess what some guys are stronger then girls and from exspriance if you go to leave a man and he says no and is stronger then you he will foce you against a wall and scare the shit out of you and punch and hit you just to make sure you dont walk out that door, its hard to get the cops involved they need proof otherwise there is nothing they can do, so some times people get killed some times its the abuser some times its the victiom, dont you think if a person could get people to help them it would stop? but crime will never stop, i feel its because people dont give a shit enough about other people, most people would walk by when they see a girl in a ally geting yelled at and hit in a store they wouldent say shit because its"none of there buissness, they have no compasion, im sorry guns arent the problem people are, were to selfish, we dont want the issues that come with it, and we give in to our anger, and thoughts, i would go on more but im probily gonna get bitched at by people and i dont want to get in fights i just had to say this

good stuff there, but try using a period (.) *that looks like a small tittay*

yeah i foget to use them, bad habbit and then i forget to proof read another bad habit but yeah thanks for pointing out, glade you have my back (sarcatic)

i like your point of view and oppinion its a good one, it might be difrent then mine but i can agree with it some what.

what does one do .?
This has nothing to do with the rights to own a gun..however it has more to do with ..how easy it is to obtain one,whether it be legally or illegally.
These students who have been on killing sprees all had 2 things in common..
they were upset by something on thier campuses and easy access to weapons.
I want to also point out..that these students came from good..law abiding homes.
So where does that leave this issue..?

once again abuse causes vilolence.

i had a friend who tried to kill them selfs and was in critical condition in the hospital, i went to go see there mother and i asked her why he wasent seeing a theripist she said (my child dose not need counseling, those are for phycopaths and insane people) i looked at her and said (are you serious your son was abused by his father sience he was 5 and you stood by and did nothing until two years ago, then because he fails school you ship him back to the fucker who abused him which resulted in him wanting to kill him self. he told me this. and you ddont think he needs help. why?" she said back "last time i checked it was none of your business what are family situation is like" i said "it is if my firend tells me and then almost sucedes in killing him self" i left the house after that and never went back

two weeks later the boy was locked up on the phyc ward of a state hospital because he told the theripist if he went back to his dads house he would either succed in killing him self or if his dad beat him up again he was going to poisen him. he was in the hospital for 1 year and he lives by him self know im not sure were but he wont go near his father becasue of what he is scared to do, so you see my point in abuse causes vilence and peoples ignorace on thereapy is having an effect. you also dont need a gun to kill some one. you can use just about any thing

im not saying there all going to kill. i was abused, you dont see me beating people up, but most people who haved killed abused or not have mental health issues that have mostlikly not been dealt with enough for some reson im a true believer in therapy and meds if need. i think alote of murders should have been in thereapy all along you never now mabe some of the most famous murders would have never had a chance to commit a crime

oh yeah it never is one factor i agree im not saying that its just abuse sorry i think i was being missunderstood and then i missunderstood you. but i definatly agree that it never is one reson and how many was it with the columbine shooting? i forgot

for some reson i thought they killed more people then that

so he just went and killed people alwasy a nice thing to do you know not be racist in killing (being sarcastic)

lol no its good i find things funny

This is completely wrong, given that the majority of illegal firearms in America come from legal sources.

Therefore if guns are harder to obtain, there is far less chance of casual shootings like at Virgina Tech - the fewer illegal guns that would remain in the system after amnesty may be available to determined killers, but through much more effort and at a higher cost.

Using the drugs comparison again, if they were legal we would have a lot more addicts harming society.

"I can't go to school
cuz I ain't got a gun
I ain't got a gun
cuz I ain't got a job
I ain't got a job
cuz I can't go to school
So I'm looking for a girl with a gun and a job ( and house... with cable )
Don't you know where you are

Lost in America"






Cho's gun didn't jam but I'm saying that since I personally know they have those issues I would have rushed him. If you read about me dying in a gun shooting then I will be the "overzealous victim who should've thought before he rushed at the gunman". Now if seven or eight people rushed him...
Ah well, as far as the drugs thing goes I think it's an unfair comparrison but marijuana is illegal here and that doesn't stop anybody who wants some from getting it.

But more people would be able to casually try it - and become hooked - if it was available for sale in shops.

I agree with pr3ssure on most of his points.

I don't agree with this.
Speaking as a person from a country where stricter firearms laws are in effect, I can tell you that I've seen more bullshit happen on account of easily "legally" accessble weapons in the states just last week than I've seen here all year...many a time have I looked and thought it's the ongoing backwards referrals to backwards times, and many attitudes about the potential of change only scream fear and paranioa...It's hard, I guess to make the first step an admission that maybe things aren't going so shit-hot with your current laws (or ways of life, it seems, for some) and all that, but hey - take it from the "outside"...it's largely worked here. I'm unaware of exact figures of crime, assault and death by firearms here throughout my lifetime to compare with that of the states, but from what I've seen, there's no way it could be remotely close.
The whole "rights" issue is null, in my opinion. If you've got the "right", so do they.
Think about it this way...I know it's a seperate matter, but it comes to mind...If chemical drugs and weed (not that I've got any problems with WEED at least...some laws are stupid, unequal, unfair, and do little but take up the valuable time of law enforcement, but hey, another issue) were as legal as, say alcohol, they'd be more easily accessible too, wouldn't they? More prone to getting used? almost certainly...
There's a reason alcohol effects more peoples health and lives than pretty much any OTHER drug, right?
Why do you suppose that is?
Availability.
Humans...they're impulsive, and at times irrational.
I mean, how many times have you seen an argument, or even, hell ,been in one yourself when you've thought if there was a gun involved someone might just get shot?
We are capable of going zero to "what the fuck" in mere seconds.
Well hey...you states folks might in fact SEE it first hand a whole lot more than I ever would...I just think as a species (thats right not just focussing on you guys in the US) the majority of us are too volatile to have these weapons readily and legally available to us...
As for non-lethal weapons, I'm all good there. Pepper sprays, tazers, whatever...at least you'd know if one nutjob decided to go take out his issues with a bunch of innocent people, nobody would have to DIE...I'm sure even if the criminal element had the choice of a either obtaining LEGAL tazer, or an illegal firearm, they'd go with the easier option. whats the worst that could happen? A few people get zapped before a few others manage to apprehend or disable the attacker? See, I dunno about you guys, but personally, I'd rather hear about something like that happening, than ONE GUY taking the life of OVER 30 PEOPLE.
Too bad he had the RIGHT too, hmm....
That's all I think I'll jump in and say here.

He had a right to own a gun (if he was over 18, and the gun was legally registered in his name)...He did NOT have a right to kill people...

I have a right to go to the pharmacy and purchase Tylenol, take it home, keep it in my medicine cabinet and use it when I need it...BUT, I do NOT have a right to give my baby a bottle of Tylenol and kill him with it...

Just about anything can be a weapon if you intend to kill someone with it



That being said...My personal opinion on guns is "Guns are portable, metal testicles"

Thing is...as a (seemingly) rational person in general, YOU might see the distinction between the two, but do they?
Everyone's got a right to buy one, yes?
Seems that in some peoples perspective, their rights go a little bit further.

But yeah, ok I'm an idiot...I must be wrong because you think you must be right, hm? Nice logic.

When we had our last changes in the law regardng firearms, MANY, of the number of firearms handed in for destruction were not legally obtained or under the liscence of the intended owner.
Guess it takes them out of the hands of both?

...and generally far more expensive. I don't know how your whole criminal element works, but in my experience here, the SHIT you'd have to go through to get one, and THEN the price...wouldn'yt be worth MY effort that's for sure. Not even if I was "a little bit angry"...
Yes, you would have to odd extreme case here and there...but I think the problem in general would be far less, I mean, one would assume you DO see what's been happening as a problem, yes?


It's paranoid thinking like this that'll keep your kids getting shot.;)
Sure, if people want it that bad, they can and probably will get it...but should they be giving away free samples of the latest manufactured drug with every beer, you saying that you honestly don't see the drug problem becoming worse?

I'd say that people just fall into alcoholism far easier, and it's a more widespread problem than most other drug use, but...however you want to put it...it wouldn't be so dangerous if every asshole above a certain age COULD legally get their hands on it, would it?
This is why there's responsible service of alcohol laws in place....I assume you folks have them too? Say I agree with you...
Guns. Far more dangerous than many a non projectile weapon...
Yeah, unfortunately I'd say there's not quite so many "tell" signs (I mean, hey...obviously...) on a customer looking to buy a gun it seems...removal of the ability to buy a gun, would be the only way to effectively lessen the problem.

Horse-shit. Speed and other amphetamines, just to begin with the REALLY obvious one...make people FAR more prone to violent outbursts. Also might want to have a look next time you get between a "dry" heroin addict and their next score. Another good point from someone calling ME the idiot.

Next time, try talking about something before chucking a little GIRL hissyfit and saying "waaaah, you're wrong! idiot!" Just because you believe your point of view to be valid doesn't mean that all and any other, aren't.
You cannot argue with the facts.
Mere comparison speaks volumes...
Live your life controlled by fear, that'll just fuck up your day.

I think you should definately take your own advice.
What's YOUR big groundbreaking solution then? Don't see you coming up with a whole lot...too bad people like you...who seem to be a majority...are just too damn sure of themselves to even give anything (that's a proven successful solution) else a try...guess in this case we'll never know.

But...whatever...I don't try and convince the lost.
Wasn't my initial intention...'nor was it to start or participate in an argument with a snappy little cunt that thinks they know everything.
So...have a good 'un, and listen, I hope that none of your family gets shot up by the local kid you last condescended to, forcing you to reassess your point of view.
;)

This thread sucks...and so do all of you. :D

nice job maniac post a thread thats going to start fights, people every one has there own oppinion and unless you have a phd in drugabuse, abuse phycology, or personal exsperiance you have no right telling people there idiots, my mom new people who would mug some one for another hit of hairoin (i know spelled wrong sorry) or coke, lsd, e, but then she new people who could kick the habbit with no problem and no vilont out burst, and alchole my dad was an alcholic and abusive do to it, but my mom was one to and the nicest person drunk, the way drugs effect people is always diffrent in my oppinion any hard drugs other then pot and alchole are idiotic to do because of what it dose to you physcaly and emotionaly and drinking people need to be more responsible and admit when there having a problem, im not bashing any ones oppinions im just stating every ones chemical make up in there brain is diffrent, drugs will always exist and so will weapons, i think mabe every one needs to be less critical of others oppions to the point were your calling some one an idot and meaning it, were supposto be friends and talk like adults when it comes to serious issues, truthfully i could dissagree with alote of you when you say i smoke pot and say to you fuck this i hate pot it ruins people and stop talking to you but i dont because your good people and i think you react to it diffrently and probily dont have a problem. cant we all just get along and be friends sorry for miss spelling lack of commas and etc, its not a big thing to me

Discussion? Debate? Argument? I thought this was a t-h-r-e-a-d...not a t-h-r-e-a-t...

Pointing...then replying and pointing...then replying and pointing...then replying and pointing...honestly, all the jib-jab in this thread wont bring back the people who were lost...neither will it heal the families who stand broken...

Wanna put your energies to where it counts? Go to the nearest church, light a candle at the altar for all those who are gone, and then walk into the world you live in, and make someone happy. Who knows where you and the other person would end up the very next moment?

Or if even THAT is too difficult, make someone smile.

In a world such as this, it would be the least you could do. For a fellow human.


My two cents in.

verry true

I always make people smile, It makes me feel all warm and good inside.

Yes...because it wouldn't BE a crime?
Duh.
Are you saying legality is the only driving factor for you to make your decisions on? Oh sure...legalize murder...sure, you can kill someone legally, but yknow it STILL would be something I'd consider a "problem". Just as your "legal" firearms are.
Most people can draw the line between
*I can legally obtain a firearm to protect myself...etc
&
*If it's legal, I can obtain it and use it as I see fit.
...Unfortunately, that doesn't really apply to those that all of a sudden snap and say "fuck it, they're all gonna die".

Maybe if your laws were different, the case would be different. Here, the laws ARE different, and it's not just a matter of a few hundred dollars more, the pricing easily goes up tenfold. Yeah, sure, some people could do this...but it would be far fewer and further between...and I believe it would take most STUDENTS out of the equation at least?
If there's one thing I've known criminals to be, it's notoriously lazy...fits in with their whole deal..."what can I do so I don't have to get a job"...etc They go with what's easy.
You keep referring to the criminal element as though it's mainly them that's the problem? The problem is availability...kids shooting eachother up and everyone says "they were always really quiet, kept to themselves, I'd never expect them to do this" time and time again. Are these people your standard CRIMINAL element? No.
For fucks sake...this guy got through 30+ people! Where were all your fellow citizens with THEIR guns to stop him, hm? didn't happen. A lot of good legal firearms did THIS situation...No staff, no security, nobody stopped them before that high a headcount...and it took place over two hours?
I don't think there's ever been a better case to think about changing certain laws.

If that's what you think it was...coming from someone over the internet, living in a different country and all:rolleyes: How astute. It wasn't a threat, passive aggressive or otherwise.
Are you saying that if yourself or family fell victim to such an attack carried out by a person who simply did it "because they could", you wouldn't feel a little differently about the easy availability of firearms?
See...you've just illustrated my point about the paranioa. So you've moved on from calling me an idiot to perceiving me a threat? Anything to ignore the validity of the points I've clearly made, sinking so low as to insult sombodies intelligence when what's written here is in no way reprasentative of a persons IQ or smarts...all of this hostility, even though I speak from an outside perspective, from a country that because of anti-gun laws, suffers far less than yours?
What you ignore is before your eyes, and it's sad.
Since we're calling names though, allow me to offer you my take.
You're obviously a dogmatic, self absorbed fool.
It's unfortunate that a discussion had to swing towards an argument...but at least it's clear who turned it that way, I was trying to provide an observation and some imput from an outside perspective, then someone went on the immediate defensive...touch a nerve?
Nothing personal, but I think maybe you ought to be medicated.
Don't bother talking to me again...you're just trapped, and I have no intention of running in circles with someone of such closed mindedness. It's people like you that contribute to the negative perception of your country.
End of discussion.

Well, I guess we can end this debate now...As it turns out, this didn't happen because of the easy accessibility of guns (or the fact that the shooter was a fucking nutcase)...It was all because of video games :rolleyes:

http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29410

All I got to say to that is...BLAH!

:mad: :rolleyes:

And I thought it was all Oldboy's fault!

Oh, I'm positive it would have been because of horror (or violent action) movies, IF someone had seen him watching horror movies instead of playing video games:rolleyes:

they don't need that,


just the chance that he could have seen it is enough




childs play 3 anyone :rolleyes:

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/weblog...nging_rock.jpg
he was inspired by the violence and extreme gore.

Whats next? Blame the kitchen-sink for being too slippery? Or the breeze for being too loud? Maybe the flies and bees who keep buzzing around the ears...:rolleyes:

Honestly, this is a pathetic attempt to feebly grasp at straws. They should ve taken it a whole lot more seriously than this.

Yep,I remember that example.

more wonderful reporting by the scum newspaper,
sorry i mean the sun newspaper :rolleyes:




with one hand they blame violent cinema for everything wrong with society...


...and with the other they give away copies of hellraiser/halloween to boost their circulation.