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bwind22 06-10-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dude Guadalupe (Post 704959)
Where's your proof?.......................you lie

First post in this thread.

What's up Dude G. How's it goin?

Dude Guadalupe 06-10-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 704968)
First post in this thread.

I refuse to believe it

:D

GorePhobia 06-10-2008 01:30 PM

Heyo bwind you crazy mofo!

I believe ya and I can't wait until he is the President.

I just hope he can get shit done and fix problems like the economy and the gas prices and all that jazz.

The Mothman 06-10-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 704850)
I'd just like to remind everyone that I called Obama as our next president way back in February of 2007.

That is all. :D

yep, it was a good call, but he's not winning.
a bunch of stupid, indecisive and naive hillary supporters are now deciding to support McCain instead. Im voting for Obama, but hes not winning.

X¤MurderDoll¤X 06-10-2008 09:41 PM

mccain is old, white and male. he's already the next US president.

bwind22 06-11-2008 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mothman (Post 705189)
yep, it was a good call, but he's not winning.
a bunch of stupid, indecisive and naive hillary supporters are now deciding to support McCain instead. Im voting for Obama, but hes not winning.



Time will tell I guess, but I hope you're wrong. McCain = more of the same. Obama = new direction for the country.

bwind22 10-08-2008 04:23 PM

Latest polls have Obama up on McCain 49% to 43%. :D

I called this almost 2 full years ago. Just wanted to point that out. :cool:

Leprucky Cougar 10-08-2008 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 494016)
http://www.popmatters.com/images/new...arackobama.jpg


I just heard this morning that Senator Barrack Obama (Illinois) is considering a run at the Oval Office in '08. Oh please, let this happen!!!!! He is 1 of the 2 politicians in Washington that does not yet seem corrupted by our system! If you've ever heard him speak, you probably noticed a well grounded, well spoken, intelligent young (for a politician) man that really seems to know where HE stands, and not just where his party thinks he should. If the democrats are serious about wanting the White House, this is the man they need to run. Not Hillary, not John Kerry and certainly not any of the lesser known people who's names are floating around... Hillary, Kerry, etc... are too polarized already. They are too far left to pull in the "gray area" voters (That's just a term I use to refer to those of us who vote every election, but hold no political affiliation to any certain party.) Obama is a moderate liberal and a middle of the road democrat and I honestly think that if he runs, he will win. Granted most of America probably hasn't even heard of him yet, let alone hear him speak, but once they do... Well, let me just introduce our next president.

Now, the real icing on this cake will be if the Republicans get their act together too and give us the other middle of the road candidate that hasn't been corrupted by Washington yet.... Norm Coleman (Senator, Minnesota) He used to be a middle of the road Democrat and then switched to middle of the road Republican and that alone should tell you he has no problem standing up to the parties. If we get Coleman vs. Obama in 2008, I might just find myself having some restored faith in our political system because those 2 both actually seem like real people when you hear them. They don't seem like puppets and certainly not like deceitful politicians. They both seem to genuinely want what is best for their constituants and the people of the country and I'd be happy to vote for either...

I agree about the Obama justifications...but disagree about Kerry & Clinton. You said that they are too far left....not even....besides low voter turnout one of the reasons Kerry lost because for many he was left ENOUGH. And at the time, the democrats should've been working harder at defining themselves, rather than going on and on about what their opponents did vs. what they should've done; Remember just 2.5 yrs after 9/11 in the 04 elections, republicans were united. Democrats? Not exactly...some were converting to the other side. While others became what I like to call "conservative" dems voting republican on things like minority rights (ie-women, homosexuals, etc)

However thankfully unlike Kerry and Clinton he's done a magnificent job at balancing both; knowing when to not "bash" McCain's policies and records but indicate the tremendous flaws and highlighting substantial points as to why his may not be perfect--but much better than the staus quo; an d much better for the "average" [middle class] americans, etc.

Hillary when Bill was prez used to be able to do that; however at the time I belive '93 or '94, any Hillary Clinton supporters you can correct me if I'm wrong was a HUGE ADVOCATE FOR HEALTHCARE. Like Great Britain and France, she wanted universal Healthcare and had pretty good poliicies for ir. However, when your husband is a democratic president with a republican GOP it's very hard to get legislation you want passed. Anyway the republicans were pretty pissed at the idea of a first lady being "active" in the presidency in addition to her policy (republicans wanted to keep healthcare privatized and usually slash a good 60% of programs democratic presidents before them create) so they made a deal. Hillary essentially became "one of them." She accepted a $800,000 bonus, with "implied gurantee" she would secure a spot as New York Senator when Clinton's term was up, in promise she'd "keep her mouth shut by the bill and drop it." If anyone watches Michael Moore's documentary: SicKo--on US failing health care system you can get filled in on all the details.

However since then--especially in her campaign against Obama healthcare was always a strength of hers. She was even considering reforms for it. Thankfully if there are any Hillary supporters here she supports Obama, she spoke and gave her support formally at the convention; so please vote for Obama if want to stay on the democratic party. We need your help more than ever to secure the White House and encourage undecided voters to get out there at the polls. :)

Shannon can't wait for people to Barack the Vote on Nov. 4th :)

bwind22 11-04-2008 06:16 PM

Just in case any of you forgot where you heard it first.... Right here.

Time to crack the champagne. This one's over. Woohoo!

neverending 11-04-2008 06:20 PM

It's true! You got a magic 8-ball?

hellfire1 11-04-2008 06:21 PM

I'm with Murderdoll and Mothman. I think McCain is going to win, though I'm seriously hoping this won't be the case.

Marroe 11-04-2008 06:21 PM

I have to admit I have been nervous about this all day but I'm feeling good now:)

btw...hi all:p

neverending 11-04-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hellfire1 (Post 753576)
I'm with Murderdoll and Mothman. I think McCain is going to win, though I'm seriously hoping this won't be the case.

Have you been watching the election coverage AT ALL?

The Flayed One 11-04-2008 06:24 PM

For those watching, all Obama needs is one more state, because California & Washington WILL go Obama. It's almost over. Obama will be our next president.

hellfire1 11-04-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 753579)
Have you been watching the election coverage AT ALL?


Why no.. I'm not on msnbc at all (at 4:30 am my time, by the way) and I'm just talking out of my ass. :rolleyes:

I'm not calling it till I see it, and it isn't over yet.

The Mothman 11-04-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 753573)
Just in case any of you forgot where you heard it first.... Right here.

Time to crack the champagne. This one's over. Woohoo!

its not called yet over here, but kudos for calling it. Im getting pretty excited, because it looks pretty good.

hellfire1 11-04-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flayed One (Post 753580)
For those watching, all Obama needs is one more state, because California & Washington WILL go Obama. It's almost over. Obama will be our next president.



And this is why you have my vote. ;)

Thank you, that was very informative.

novakru 11-04-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Marroe (Post 753578)
I have to admit I have been nervous about this all day but I'm feeling good now:)

btw...hi all:p

Good to see you!
How are you?
How's baby??

Despare 11-04-2008 06:46 PM

I could care less how people vote but I'm so sick and tired of people voting simply because they want a president that isn't white. I guess it's just bad to be white now just like it is to be a Christian or to have a decent amount of money (unless you're an actor than you can be a multi-millionaire and still be a man of the people and denounce the rich). Looks to me like Obama has it all tied up, he'll have a democratic congress too so he'll get his ideas passed...

Marroe 11-04-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by novakru (Post 753593)
Good to see you!
How are you?
How's baby??

Hey! I am good, thanks! A bit crazy after all the hurricane stuff but all is good now. And the baby is great. She'll be one next month:( How's yours?


Well, PM me anyways because I don't wanna go too off topic:D

novakru 11-04-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 753596)
I could care less how people vote but I'm so sick and tired of people voting simply because they want a president that isn't white. I guess it's just bad to be white now just like it is to be a Christian or to have a decent amount of money (unless you're an actor than you can be a multi-millionaire and still be a man of the people and denounce the rich). Looks to me like Obama has it all tied up, he'll have a democratic congress too so he'll get his ideas passed...

Fuck that
I am THRILLED I can tell whomever to FUCK OFF when I am called 'whitedevil bitch'


Obama is THE MAN now:cool:

pinkfloyd45769 11-04-2008 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marroe (Post 753578)
I have to admit I have been nervous about this all day but I'm feeling good now:)

btw...hi all:p

OMG!!!Where have you been?Its good to see you again:)How are you?

hellfire1 11-04-2008 07:04 PM

*Phew*

and YAY!

The Flayed One 11-04-2008 07:05 PM

It's over! Obama is president!

The Mothman 11-04-2008 09:53 PM

woooooooooooo!

hellfire1 11-04-2008 11:07 PM

Sigh... I'm so happy this man has finally been elected. After living abroad for so long, and seeing firsthand how much our reputation and the way the world views us has been tarnished these past 8 years, and personally suffering the backlash, it feels great to be proud again.

Fucker better do right by us. :p

Leprucky Cougar 11-04-2008 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flayed One (Post 753609)
It's over! Obama is president!

Wooohoooo! Guys as you can rightfully imagine I am beyond estatic right now. I haven't been to bed. It's 3am here and I've been glued to Cspan, Cspan 2, Cnn and msnbc watching senate, house and presidential results. Not sure if any of you all missed me the past two days but I was at my local Obama campaign office campaigning like crazy--phonebanking and door-to-dooring doing everything in my power to encourage voters to get out there and cast their ballots, making sure they had the right polling information, and making sure everyone had those absentee ballots in--stressing the importance of voting even if it wasn't the candidate I agreed with--the fact that this time we can truly say it matters. I was campaigning for Virginia and I like to say I partook in making them blue--1st time for them since LBJ was Prez! Of course not by a huge margin 51-49 but that's still making a huge statement on their progress.

Since 7pm I along with majority of my dormmates were glued watching the results at first many were worried because between 7 and 8:15 there was a lead of I believe 88-44 McCain-many were very tense and either thought McCain's gonna' win or we will be up all night because of the nail-bitter situation. Especially when it came to FL, OH, VA, NC, and PA. I reassured everyone that it's far too early to call because 15 states closed their polls at 8 (I know my homestate Maryland does for sure) and another 15 closed at 9.
Shortly after there were huge sighs of relief as we checked the electoral college again and there was a 199- 97 lead for Obama. More and more results came in as my dorm was still divided [on the left we had the obama supporters far right -republicans, in the middle the nader/ron paul supporters/ "non caring people"--these were the ones who didn't
vote for illegitimate reasons] Following that I'm watching statistical comparitive analysis of each candidate's party during the 04 and 00 elections to see how great or how worse than did than their preceiving party. As you can imagine, Obama did far greater a job than John Kerry in 04. For McCain some states equal, some states not as much. Then all of sudden I see 297 Obama, 160 for McCain and the reality starts to sink in that it's over because he only needed 270 and got way more than that. The obama supporters leave the dorm and start running all around campus celebrating. I stay around just in case something shady happened like a contesting of the votes--a want for a reccount--a concession speech, etc. Then around 11:45-12am the number get even larger: Obama 315, McCain 190 and I start to fantasize a in a good way of course in what this means. Then the majority of the republicans tell me "it's cool," "they'll get over it and they don't care anymore" and respectfully went away in defeat, although a few rebellious ones posted signs up that said "Death: RIP Democracy on 11.4.08" . After that, I listened to McCain's concession speech --which to me sounded a bit choreographed, not entirely from the heart and covertly irate--nonetheless was a respectable approach to address and redirect his supporters--although many were responding in a rally form of comply rather than a speech (Ie--extreme boos, nothing politically respectable). Within the next half hour I get more results more increased numbers--all before I watch Obama give remarks live from Chicago followed by an appearacnce of his wife and family alongside Biden and his family. The words he spoke, feelings I felt, and scene I saw was outrageously breathtaking and exhilirating at the same time. Within the next 20 minutes of me checking out the electoral college once again I saw Obama 339, McCain 149. That's when I finally verbally and mentally celebrated because then I knew despite any deficit, argument, recount or contestation--I knew there was absolutely nothing McCain could do to pull it off no matter if all the precints for the remaining states was in. He just couldn't get it done with the math.

What I was so amazed by is how many political analysists (including myself although not officially lol) said that just because someone is winning in the polls doesn't mean they will on election day. Well tonight/today it happened. And there have also been remarks that proved that even if a candidate doesn't win the popular vote he can still win presidency because of the electoral college. This happened--sort of. Obama did have the popular vote -not by a close margin though 51-49. But ironic to most turnout's he (like Bush in '04) won by a landslide!--actually outdoing Bush's 04 election by a bigger number. The keys here: He got the swing states he needed and by good enough margins and the ones that were assumed to be his (naturally democratic states--the West and Northeast coast) won by significant numbers.
The last time I checked the numbers : 2:45 am et it was Obama 359, McCain 159.

So there's my experience through the whole thing. I can't wait to the inaugaration on January 20th 2009. ANti-bush supporters actually have countdown clocks that countdown the days minutes hours and seconds til his last day. I live in Maryland, so I'm about a half-hr (45 minutes if heavy traffic and without shortcuts) away from DC--and I'm thinking about going to the inaugaration. One of my friends here has family that works in DC during all the prez inaugarations and actually has a good reason for work now-so I may attend with them. I don't know how many of you guys on HDC are Democrats or republicans, or independents-- but regardless I'm proud to know any Obamacans here. Sorry for being fanatic about this whole ordeal but we've got the 44th President on his way to the white house. Woooo!!!! We shall gain our respect back (hopefully) on the international circuit. Troops you've done a noble job thus far: it's almost time to come home!! :) :) :)

Leprucky Cougar 11-04-2008 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hellfire1 (Post 753686)
Sigh... I'm so happy this man has finally been elected. After living abroad for so long, and seeing firsthand how much our reputation and the way the world views us has been tarnished these past 8 years, and personally suffering the backlash, it feels great to be proud again.

Fucker better do right by us. :p

Yeah and so far no backlash in terms of severe actions have taking place regarding his victory. Let's hope the same for his inaugaration.

Nella 11-04-2008 11:55 PM

LC, you know a LOT about politics! :)

I'm glad Obama won. I'm not very political but I do think it's time for a change. I'm glad gas prices have gone down and I hope they'll continue to go down. I heard taxes were supposed to be a lot higher...I haven't been watching the news so I was wondering what Obama will do about the war...

saffronsinclaire 11-05-2008 12:07 AM

Whooooooo! Go Obama!

Leprucky Cougar 11-05-2008 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nella (Post 753697)
LC, you know a LOT about politics! :)

I'm glad Obama won. I'm not very political but I do think it's time for a change. I'm glad gas prices have gone down and I hope they'll continue to go down. I heard taxes were supposed to be a lot higher...I haven't been watching the news so I was wondering what Obama will do about the war...

Why Thankyou Nella. I'm working on it....lol Just promise me if I run in 25 years I have ur support. :)


Glad u asked.

Taxes? you won't see a change or rise if u make under $250,000.00 a year

War? Making the focus of the war be AL Quieda and the terrorists--not Iraq. Making sure they shift to their own power as we BRING BACK OUR BABIES in Iraq in and fight the real enemy. And slowly bring 'em back in an "efficient and responsible" manner

Nella 11-05-2008 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar (Post 753713)
Why Thankyou Nella. I'm working on it....lol Just promise me if I run in 25 years I have ur support. :)


Glad u asked.

Taxes? you won't see a change or rise if u make under $250,000.00 a year

War? Making the focus of the war be AL Quieda and the terrorists--not Iraq. Making sure they shift to their own power as we BRING BACK OUR BABIES in Iraq in and fight the real enemy. And slowly bring 'em back in an "efficient and responsible" manner

Yeah, I'll vote for ya. :)

I asked about the taxes because my dad makes at least 4 times that amount per year. He's gonna have to pay big time. We were talking about that yesterday, in fact.

Cool. Did Obama actually say "BRING BACK OUR BABIES". I think that would be wonderful. The war's been going on for too long, IMHO.

Leprucky Cougar 11-05-2008 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nella (Post 753718)
Yeah, I'll vote for ya. :)

I asked about the taxes because my dad makes at least 4 times that amount per year. He's gonna have to pay big time. We were talking about that yesterday, in fact.

Cool. Did Obama actually say "BRING BACK OUR BABIES". I think that would be wonderful. The war's been going on for too long, IMHO.

oh that phrase was me in the heat of the moment--I get in the zone when I'm talking about politics, debating or narrating. That was just my oratory coming out


Yeah he'll have 2 pay---but in the long run--it won't be like he's downgraded from billionaire to millionaire --just not as much as before til tax returns of course and theoretically speaking it makes more sense. I would get into specifics but I haven't been to bed and my brain's moving slow so bare with me

Nella 11-05-2008 03:22 AM

I have to say that the stimulus payment was pretty cool. I got $300. I hope we get that kind of benefit from Obama. Or was that simply a move by the IRS?

Leprucky Cougar 11-05-2008 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nella (Post 753724)
I have to say that the stimulus payment was pretty cool. I got $300. I hope we get that kind of benefit from Obama. Or was that simply a move by the IRS?

Wasn' t the IRS....was Bush's lame duck way of fixing the econ

For some it benefited for others it was just gas money--nothing heavily contributed

Nella 11-05-2008 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar (Post 753726)
Wasn' t the IRS....was Bush's lame duck way of fixing the econ

For some it benefited for others it was just gas money--nothing heavily contributed

I thought is was George W.'s decision. I just had to ask as I said I'm not very political, and I don't like to get involved.

Yeah, my son got $600. I would have gotten more if I'd had him to claim as a dependent.

Leprucky Cougar 11-05-2008 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nella (Post 753730)
I thought is was George W.'s decision. I just had to ask as I said I'm not very political, and I don't like to get involved.

Yeah, my son got $600. I would have gotten more if I'd had him to claim as a dependent.

I know...take no offense to the lame duck comment. That's political talk for when when we talk about a politican stuck in a rut type of situations.

Nella 11-05-2008 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar (Post 753731)
I know...take no offense to the lame duck comment. That's political talk for when when we talk about a politican stuck in a rut type of situations.

None taken. Thanks for filling me in on the little questions I had.

Zero 11-05-2008 04:53 AM

quack quack - i just hope george jr. doesn't get us into another war before he flies off to his texas pond

neverending 11-05-2008 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero (Post 753753)
quack quack - i just hope george jr. doesn't get us into another war before he flies off to his texas pond

Just like his daddy did for Clinton....


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