Belief
 

Well, if there was such a belief as 'Science or Proof' then i would believe it.

But i am a genuine atheist, I think all religions where u believe in something that hasnt been proven are bullshit.

you havent been spending much time in the other parts of the forum then ...

no one seems to mind when people shit all over other peoples tastes in music or film or books ...

mention religion and people get all antsy - even if they dont believe..

i dont think anyone called anyone stupid for believing what they believe.

unlike Kemal i do have a big problem with the rampant hypocracies though. Everyone wants it both ways .. 'sure i believe - but in a way thats tailor made to my needs - besides .. all i have to do is accept Christ as my savior and i'll get a one way ticket to heaven anyway - I'll be forgiven'

Every organized religion - big or small provides a blueprint for living your life..its one of the main functions...

I think most religious people really only care that there is life after death (most, not all) and pretty much do whatever they want within the bounds of societies laws ...but still want to hedge their bets in case there is something out there..

if you only believe in god because 'just in case' then that is fundimentally wrong because it discards everything that creed stands for... how are you deriving spiritual support from that ?

Ah, and here's where we get into a weird no man's land of philosophical thought. Everybody seems to have an interest in religion (even if the say they don't) because nobody really knows. Sure, certain people have faith, but faith is not irrefutable knowledge.

And to say, "This is how it is. God wants this." Is that not to spit in the face of someone who thinks differently? To imply that thikning anyother way is wrong or "a sin?"

Religion (a totally different concept from spirituality or "a relationship with a deity") is a man made structure of thought for worshipping a higher power. The first Christians were of course rebels fighting against the tyranny of the Roman Empire. The Romans eventually adopted Christianity because so many people believed that Christ was the Messiah, that the PEOPLE IN POWER thought it would be easier to CONTROL THE MASSES if they declared Rome a "Holy Empire."

Every "religious" document from the Bible to the Torah to the Qaran is a political document, a basis of governmental law. It is a tool designed to tell people they should live there lives in a certain way and that there are consequences if they don't.

Atheism scares people because it's a step away from anarchy. Because if your Free your spirit, your mind is usually right behind and it's not long before the body takes action.

*thump*

(ningenmanga steps down from his soapbox.)

EDIT: Before someone calls me on it, I want to say up front that there were a lot of other reasons the Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, most of which (including a failing economy, internal power struggles, and really bad military decisions) had nothing to do with God or religion. My ultimate point is that choice to declare themselves "Christians" was a political decision not a "I have seen the light" decision.

We have to have an 'interest' because religious loud mouths say what we can watch, what we can say, what we can think, what we can't say, what we can't watch, what we can't read, who we can marry, who we can't marry who we can fuck, who we can't fuck..blah blah.

America is governed on a bullshit Baptist doctrine!
Islam is shitting all over the World!
Catholicism and that fossil The Pope spread sexism, homophobia and AIDS around when not busy helping and covering up for rapists Priests.

Religion can kiss my arse!

I got bashed about my thread on cops so I'm not gonna bash on this thread. I respect your opinion. I, on the other hand, do believe in God and am not an athiest. You have to think about it really. How could such miracles happen throughout life w/o God. It sure ain't by science. I just thought I'd put in my pointless two cents.;) :D

Yeah...so i guess we can blame him for all the vile injustices as well, like kids with no fresh water for 20 miles and when they do get to it it's full of parasites that burrow into their eyes and make them blind.

Religious sorts always praise ze Lord for little birds and pretty flowers and ignore all the awful crap in the World...A lot of which is in fact done by His followers in His name!

It's just an abomination ain't it.:rolleyes: Seems to me like most people (notive I said most and not all) focus on the bad so that they will have a reason to say "Hey, God don't exist, if he did all this bad shit would not be happening." But, look at it this way, if God didn't exist you wouldn't be here, b/c I know sure as hell I didn't evolve from no monkey. Just stating my mind.............again
:D :cool:

You KNOW you did not evolve from a Monkey?! Really? How?

Belief is not fact.

And Darwin and the science holds up better than Adam and Eve and the fact that proof exists that the Earth is millions of years older than The Bible says it is.

And i'm here because my Mum and Dad fiucked and reproduced in a very scientific fashion.

agreed

I wouldn't know what fashion my mom and dad fucked and I sure am glad for that. I thank GOD for that. Yeah.;) :D

I'm not athiest but I'm also not involved in any religion. I basically believe there is a God and I live how I think is right. I see it like this there is no one religion that's right, because in all religions there's one thing that's constant and that's the fact that Jesus,God,Buddah,Jehovah,Allah ect. ect. loves everybody so if that's the case then if you're following a religion and you honestly think you're doing right then Which ever God is really up there should have no problem with it. I have no problem with people who are athiest, everybody is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and who am I or anybody else to tell somebody what they should be doing.

Well said, Austin!! Bravo!

i ewnt out to dinner with my parents on saturday. we invited my aunt but she is... christian of some sort? anyway, i think until easter, she is fasting every monday-saturday, able to eat on sunday.

fasting as in she can eat bread and water but thats it. anyway, my mom invited her and she said 'why cant u eat tomorrow so that i can eat' (my aunt is cheap. she loves food that she doesnt hafto pay for)

ANYWAY. i said 'if shes hungry why doesnt she go eat with jesus' and my dad glared at me.

were catholic but dont go to church or anything, but i think hes just afraid im .. gona go to hell or whatever? bahh

me and jesus r cool :cool: friends always fuck with each other anyway..

lol :D

that made me laugh for about a minute straight.

My new religion:

Christibudamusdiasm.


the Basic tenant:

BE GOOD AND TREAT OTHERS WELL.

Sorry, no preisthood. Just generally being a good person. no heavan. No Hell. JUST BE GOOD.


Im an atheist leaning towards agnostic. I dont believe in a damn thing, unless someone shows me indisputable proof (no, "Look around you at God's creation" is not proof....)

I have no faith. Dont need it dont want it. But i believe that as intelligent beings, (i use that loosely) we do need a moral structure in order to function in our societies. Religioon is a decent way to teach that morality, but it takes it too far too often. I always liked what Chris Rock said in Dogma:

Beliefs are dangerous. people will kill and start wars for a belief. What's so bad about just having an idea?

pretty much exactly how i feel.

In what way?
Moral in the way The Vartican commits wholesale financial fraud?

Moral in the way Women are denied the right to represent their God as any male priest can?

Moral in the way The Catholic Church instill the use of condoms in a country ravaged by AIDS as a sin?

Moral as in the way women in Muslim countries can be stoned to death for having an affair?

Moral in the way homosexuals are discriminated against and even blamed for 9/11 by ranting Bible thumpers like Rev Jerry Falwell?

Moral in the way child raping priests are either let off, or have thier crime covered up by The Church itself?

Moral as in Islamic extremists, who would say THEY ARE true believers can hack off heads and blow up trains?

Moral as in Jews simply taking land and housese off people already there because the Bible says so?


I think that's enough morals for one post.

Ever notice no one ever has anything bad to say about Lutherans or Mormons?!

You are preaching to the converted (pardon the reference)

but blaming the basic idea of religion for those crimes is like blaming murder on the idea of guns. It's not the tool, it's what you do with it.

Nothing makes me more sick than any atrocity being done in the name of religion. Not to mention the absolute stupidity perpetrated by it (IE, logical, simple solutions to modern problems being labeled as sinful)

But it is a basic human right to believe what you wanyt to believe. Unfortunately, many of the people believe what they want and would deny others their right to their own belief. Dont get me started on the catholic church... i have very little nice to say about it as an establishment, and even less good things to say about the clergy, including the pope.

Read this:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...r/index_1.html

it's about Father James Porter, a man possibly more evil than Hitler.
If you read it, I'm afraid it will do nothing to help improve the opinions of people who hate the catholic church, but it is frightening.

i think we all are well aware of the hypocracies running rampant in any organized belief system.

The origional statement still holds true .. one of the fundamentals of any religion is to lay down a blueprint for life. Most of it is healthy and righteous and for many people - neccessary.

Unfortunately human nature is the problem .. not so much the doctrines (althought there are pointedly some unfortunate and outdated messages in there too)
Much of it is interpreted freely and bent to suit certain religious leaders personal beliefs.

It is the people involved that corrupt what was once an important guide for living withing a society.

Its the same with government, education, police, anything.
People are the problem - not the religion.

There are some undeniably outdated messages re gays, women, etc in most beliefs ... that were bred from the ignorance of the past.

but the bottom line is - that there are still generally positive messages in what the churches push despite the news making crimes that have occured.


Personally i dont need any of it ...

Same here. All along, it has been used by immoral people to keep others in the dark, making the easier to control. Power is a hard thing to give up, and if the Church let their people be more "in the know", they would be giving up a lot of power. plus, they would have to admit to being wrong, which is hard for anyone.

That being said, sadly, they do actually believe they are right with a lot of what they say.

Oh yeah, and the #1 fault with most religions is the #1 fault with communism and a whole lot of other "isms", it fails to take into account that people are people, and people are greedy, self indulgent and ignorant as a whole.

Of course there are bad things in everything.
But few groups, institutions or whatever can base their bullshit on the Word of God and defend there prejudice with a book so popular and widespread as The Bible or the humongous rightiousness of The Church itself.
The Nazis would have loved to have the kind of support mechanism in place for propping up their views that The Church and religion gives.

I have no argument against that, and absolutely no inclination to do so.

Religion just needs to break itself down to prehistoric traditions...
If you worship one god you go here, someone else you live in the next town.

Religion shouldn't be that big of a deal, because it's such a private matter.

Of course, and the late Bill Hicks would agree, it is sorta funny to make fun of...even if it's your own cosmology.

well, unfortunately it'll never be a private deal because people who 'have the answer' feel they want us to share in their joy.

and i finally figured out why they want to recruit...

cause the fun dirty girls are on the other side.

There just arent enough party girls in heaven, and the music sucks.

its like one big bad party.

in our town we are made up of nothing but churches
for instance these people wanted to open a massage
parlor, it was open maybe a week, then the churches
closed it down. baptist churches rule this town, there at leat 8
of thier churches here. the younger kids have to go out of town
just 2 have fun.:rolleyes:

lol That's probably why he hates satan so much, good party envy.

i have decided my responses in this thread will purely be in badge form.....


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and anyone who believes that this sort of thing, yes ,DOES give reason to hate the catholic church is ocmpletely ignorant

in EVERY group, whether religoius, professional, gender, race etc theres gonna be the sickos. stigmas suck.

Completely agree.

Rock and roll.:cool:

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Kiss ? well Kiss my Ass !! :D

Yeah, Kiss kinda sucks....

Keep practicing that guitar, Santa. Maybe next time we'll let YOU play a solo!

Oh, don't encourage him!

HA HA HA HA

-Family Guy

see avatar.

LOL! when u siad 'rock and roll,' i exactly thought of whtas his name in Kiss saying that, mid conversation in that one FG episode :)

i did ! its going ....


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