funny how people wont even give it a chance, just because its michael moore

whether or not you want to believe it, he DOES bring up good points. many of which are bi-partisan

"we are a nation based on fear. turn to the local newstation and you hear account after account of child abduction. yet child abduction rates have actually gone down in the past decades"

^^^ so whats wrong with sayin that? shit....

you guys get mad at people who say 'BUSH SUCKS AND DID NOTHING GOOD FOR AMERICA!" when in reality, yes he did. the amount is disputed, but he did do some good things. you michael moore dissers are just as bad as the Bush ones. me? i try and take everything for what it is. singularly, im not gonna base Bush off of one event, same with moore, oreilly, etc...

GDIS

The bottom line is Kerry went to war in Vietnam, and Bush stayed in Texas.

I don't really care if he's running on his war record or not. The assertion was made that he was a "pussy". Personally, I would much rather be in the trenches with Kerry than George Bush.

I think a civil conversation could be had without any name-calling.

if u r referring to gothic chic, she resorted to that sort of thing in an abortion debate a while back. which is why i tend to keep away from her

GDIS

If life, freedom and property are not from God then where could they come from? For me, My faith in God is what lets me know that these are rights everyone is entitled to. Now what political system allows people to experience these freedoms is no concern of mine just that they are allowed to have them. In my belief we as humans should not impede anothers availibility to experience these rights. But it is God creation and at any time he may ask us to endure slavery, hardship, and even death.

I don't see where Gothic-chick called anybody a name in this thread other than Michael Moore. What are you trying to do Fluffho? Stir up more trouble?









You better recheck yourself.

1) myers response, including that statement regarding name-calling, were in response to GC's

2) i first met GC during an abortion debate, where she called anyone who believed in abortions all sorts of names....

3) i added 'if u are refering" on the chance that he wasnt talking to her. then even explained #2

4) i didnt stir up the trouble. it was Je. i only added slightly to it (must i explain myself a 5th time... rather not).

so you were saying?

GDIS

I tend to stay away from you too because you have nothing to say that's of any value to me....


GDYNS !!!!

that is quite a come back......

although i must say i DO commend you on you accurate explanation of the whole .. 'situation'.. for lack of a better term. u had just about 97% of it correct....

GDIS

I'm saying..... She called no one a name in THIS thread other than Moore. Why do you feel the need to call her out about another thread in this thread? Unless.... your trying to start something?







As you were saying?

What's that at the bottom of your page? Looks like your calling everyone a bitch?














As you were saying?

1) #3 from ^^^

2) take a chill pill...... i call everyone bitches.

GDIS

Neither of them. And one of these men has to be our president? errr *shoots self

Oh well... ABB.

so this is what im wondering.. for those who would rather NOT to see any of these guys,.... it seems that they'd go the ABB route. but is there anyone going the other way? or anyone essentialy, throwing away thier vote, either by not voting or just going for nader??

mtv did a special on it, on college campuses and pretty much all of em who didnt care for either, were going ABB

GDIS

first, and this really cracks me up, why is it that bush only has to say"9/11", and everybody forgets 90% of the last four years? not 9/11 mind you, that was horrible, and personally i would have turned the middle-east into the largest parking lot in the world. not just iraq, or afganistan, but every fu***ng country there. but what i'm saying is, i know bush had his hands full, and that there was smoke boiling out of those huge ears. not from anger, mind you, but from the effort that it took for him to think up an option. but he still needed to try and furfill some of his promises that he made, unless he never intended to in the first place. nevertheless, he did manage to do a few things before 9/11. lets take a look at some of his accomplishments. in his first few months in office, bush managed to
1.cut $35 million in funding for advanced pediactric training for doctors.
2. cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by 50%
3. delayed rules that would reduce "acceptable" levels of arsenic in drinking water.
4.cut funding for research into cleaner, more feul efficient cars and trucks by 28%
5.allowed sec. of interior gale norton to request suggestions for opening national monuments for forresting,coal mining, and oil and gas drilling.
6.reduced by 86% the community access program which coordinated care for people without health insurance among public hospitals, clinics, and other health care providers.
7.cut funding for the girls and boys clubs of america programs in public housing by 60 million.
8.cut 200 million from workforce training programs for dislocated workers
9.cut 200 million from the childcare and development grant, a program that provides child care to low income families.
10.eliminated prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees.
11.cut 700 million in funds for public housing repairs.
12.cot 500 million dollars from the epa budget.
13.announced plans for oil drilling in louis and clark nat. forrest in montana.
14denied college financial aid for students convicted of misdemeanor drug charges, though convicted murderers are still eligible.
15. cut 15.7 mill from programs dealing with child abuse and neglect.
etc.,etc........the list goes and on, just tired of typing, sorry.
and if you can honestly say that none of these things effect you or someone you know, i would like to shake your hand, because you are really lucky. because there are millions of people that it does affect. we need to wake up people, whether bush cuts all the taxes or not, we are still going to have to pay for this war, one way or another.

For me, Kerry just sucks less.

and i'll tell you something else, i never had a problem finding a job during clintons term. as for bush, well.....i cant say the same.

Agreed here. This is a good opportunity to point out a difference between republicans and democrats:

Mississippi's governor (Haley Barbour) is a republican. And, in typical republican fashion, he decided that he would save the state some money by laying off over 1000 of the state's public school teachers (of which I am one). Luckily, our district managed to scrape up enough funds to avoid losing any of our teachers, but many districts in the state were not so lucky. Where did the saved money go? Most of it went into the pockets of the university professors and administrators. Republicans have no problem dicking over the poor in order to benefit the wealthy.

Just like our Commander-in-Cheif who went and gave the wealthy in America (Bush and his cronies) a nice tax cut. This money could have been used to help fund this misbegotten war ... but to republicans, politics and big business are one in the same.

Gothic-chick asked the question: "When should we INCREASE military spending? When we're at a time of war and it's too late?" shortly before she proceeded to tactfully request that I "wake the fuck up."

Kerry voted to decrease military spending during the Clinton administration, in the years following the Gulf War when our nation's debt was the worst it has ever been. The Clinton administration not only paid off the debt, but created an economic surplus, which Dubya has not only elminated, but he has also brought us back into the hole that his daddy dug.

Yes, you increase military spending when you are in a time of war, and will not be "too late" when you do so. You sound as if decreasing military spending to help get us out of debt is synonymous with saying "eliminate the military altogether." You decrease the spending when you already have a military that is so over-prepared to go into war that it isn't funny, and when you have a multi-billion dollar national debt. If a short-term war appears, you fight it and increase the spending to make up the losses. If a long-term war appears, you fight it and increase the spending as the war rages on. Decreasing the spending is not going to cause us to lose what we already have.

As for Micheal Moore, I just watched Farenheit 9/11 last night. I agree that this particular documentarian does not present his material without a heap of biases, but the evidence he presents in that film should be startling to ANYONE who watches it (except the Bush administration, who tried to hide this evidence). Even if you don't believe Moore's interpretation of the evidence, you would be hard-pressed to take it on yourself to use this evidence to show that Bush actually had this nation's interest in mind when he took us to war with Iraq.

Stingy, I got a tax cut. I didn't know I was one of Bush's cronies.

One of my biggest problems with Kerry is the fact that he wants to put our military under the control of foreign govt. when dealing with an issue outside of the U.S.A. Under UN control. I just cannot accept that.

The UN is one big joke. Its obvious they are in control of nothing. The situation in Darfur is a good example. The Sudan govt. and arabic militia are commiting acts of genocide. Killing people of African descent. The UN provides the refugees a so called safehaven(camp). A group of Janjaweed milita come in during the night and slaughter hundreds of women and children. What does the UN force at the camp do.... they stand around and watch and
after its over, they decide they need to have discussion about how to handle something like this in the future. What a joke the UN is.

As far as military funding during peace time. Lets look at military advancements. Kerry didn't want to fund the Stealth program. A technilogically advanced plane that would faze out the B-1 and B-2. If Kerry would have had his way we would be making bombing runs with outdated aircraft. Remember World War 2? We would just have to lay waste to whole cities and towns instead of lazer guided bombs that can hit precise targets in the middle of a city.
I wonder what the body count for innocents would be if we were still using outdated weaponary if Kerry would have had his way.

Stingy, quit crying about the poor. The way I see it people are poor because they want to be. This is America... the land of opportunity. The poor should quit crying about being poor and get off their asses and work harder and strive for more. Instead of expecting a hand out from the govt. I have no sympathy for them. I expect no one to take care of me but myself.

Maybe if Kerry gets in office he can take care of the poor and the rich and middle class can pay for it. If you think only the rich will be taxed under Kerrys administration your fooling yourself.

Why is it that democrats always fall back on the class wafair argument, tax cuts for the rich, homeless in the streets, blacks hanging from trees, forcing the elderly to eat dog food so they can get their prescriptions. Then accuse the Bush adminstration of using scare tactics to get votes, the democrats have been doing that for as long as I can remember.

Al Gore paraphrased-I met Mrs. JaneQPublic who had to drove across the country in her Winnebago to see me here before this debate, she told me she had to pick up aluminum cans along the way to help pay for her prescription drugs.-HELLO ASSHEAD, Do you know what kind of gas mileage a motorhome gets???? Do you know what the average motorhome costs??? Sell your damn RV so you can afford your prescription drugs jackass.

This country has turned into such an entitlement society it makes me want to vomit. I bust my ass and so does my lady to make a decent living, and I got a tax cut and by John Kerrys thinking I am part of the richest 1 percent???? Really I didnt know that, I dont see a Ferrari parked in my driveway, I dont see a rolex on my wrist, I dont live in a mansion. I started out living on the street at 17 and worked my tail off to get there, the only people I have to thank are myself and the Gods for giving me the strength to deal with it all.

Yea I feel sorry for some of the homeless and poor, the ones that cant help themselves but I dont feel sorry for the inner city folk who are able bodied and sit on welfare their whole lives, popping out babies so they can get an increase in their welfare checks, meanwhile they run around with $90 air jordan shoes, 300 dollar starter jackets and bling bling spinners on their fucking cars.

Do you know how much I give to charity every year?? In the thousands of dollars, in clothing, food drives, toys for tots, and cash money. I try to make a difference in my community to help the people there. So I dont want to hear anymore bullshit about how conservatives, note I didnt say republicans, are all for fucking over the poor to benefit the rich.

People need a hand up not a hand out, the job of the democratic party is to keep the minorities down and disenfranchised so they will keep so they will keep voting for them. I have to talked to some minorities who have finally come to the realization that the democrats havent done a damn thing for them since the civil war.

Al Sharpton said it best, they bring us to the dance but leave with someone else.

Both of you got a tax cut? I didn't get a tax cut, and my wife and I work our asses off. I went to college to become a school teacher, and my wife manages a branch of a nation-wide franchise. We got a check in the middle of the year that we had to pay back when tax season rolled around.

And both of you also seem to still live under the delusion of The American Dream -- that if you work hard enough, you can have anything you want. That's bullshit. I don't think I need to explain the trickle-down theory of economics to either one of you, but the fact is that 90% of the wealth in this nation is held (and held tightly) by 5% of the population. If I grew up in a elite household, perhaps I would have had a chance. My parents would have been able to afford to send me to a private school, and the university of my choosing. As it was, I had to pay my own way through a state college. Statistics show that, in this country, you basically end up where your parents left off. Sure, there are exceptions, but if you take the idea that "if you work hard, you can be rich, too" to its logical conclusion, you'll see the fault in it. Let's say that EVERYONE works hard, tries their hardest to make it rich. Do you honestly think EVERYONE will share all the wealth? Hell no. The rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, for the most part.

So, you both got a tax cut. Must be nice to have a president that looks out for you folks in your tax bracket. No wonder you stick up for him so vehemently.

A horse would do a double-take at the Kerry physiogamy.

I love this man! :)

I know this is a heated topic....but please keep your comments directed towards the politicians and the issues, not towards the members of this board....

Not only will that convince no one of your own position, it further degrades your argumentive technique.....and makes you look childish....

No wonder you stick up for Kerry so vehemently. You expect a hand out from the rest of us....:rolleyes:

That was uncalled for. All I said was"Quit your crying"

What uncalled for is your bashing stingy's liking a certain candidate because of your perception of him....its neither political nor relevant...

The so called "point" your trying to make is "quit your crying" and accept YOUR point of view? How the fuck OLD ARE you? Are you really that out of ammo, intellectually speaking?

Quite a bit of favoritism is displayed around here.

Even Gothic-Girl who has displayed quite a bit of name calling in the past, has presented clear well thought out arguments here, on issues i quite dissagree with her on...

Your the one thats out of line, and cant make an argument...and if i was displaying favoritism you would already be banned.....as i dont, you are not....

Not only that, the threads not even locked so you can replay once again....

Come on....

*Drinks beer....awaits further slander*

Im sick of you and your mightier than thou attitude.

Maybe Bush should have used that....

"Quit your crying Kerry!"

Ya, that would have swung the Debate around the other direction wouldnt it:rolleyes: ....

You did make some good points earlier tho.....its a shame you ran out of steam apparently....

Not high and mighty, just anti-flame war...and your comments are boarderline, conservatively speaking....

If you could regress to your previous posting style....id have no beef, and consequently, no reason to remove your posts....its funny, no one else has problems with any of my moderating techniques....

And for the record, look at my responses to you, vs. your responses to me....i explain my position, to you and why i moderate accordingly, you further insult.....

Its funny how you take the sides. I thought you were above displaying any forms of favoritism as a moderator.

I am, and if i wasn't being impartial, believe me, Gothic girl would have gotten it far worse than im giving you now....

This has nothing to do with your point of view and everything to do with the immature way you tried to express yourself....

Now, it has become self defeating, and consequently, i must retire from the thread.....as my attempt to stop a flame war has ignited one.......irony knows no bounds.....

But if you could possibly refrain from making other posters the target of your opinions.....you and i will get along fine......

it's funny how you're a broken record. you've said your piece, let it die.

If John Kerry won the presidential debate, why the long face?

All I said was Ouit your crying. Thats so immature?
Why dont you get the last word in and then lock the thread. Like your known to do. Your something else. The word hypocrite does cross my mind.

Who's talking to you? Not me.

hey dipshit, it's a public forum. shut your cockhole, thanks.

Parading around a public forum with an open cockhole?

That's just wreckless.