You mean the Danish or something else?

What ya mean?

I'm just wondering if you mean the Danish dogma series, or an entirely different 'Pusher'.

I wasn't entirely impressed, but this may be, unfortunately, because by my peers this film was driven with nothing but hype, the kinda people that dig watching online footage of people getting tortured and killed, and that's the mindset I took to it while watching, at least at first.

I definitely recognized it for something else though, but I have to say that the highbrow allure which the story aims for falls short in comparison to something like Le Calvaire or Martyrs. It's hard to take it really seriously when the few nasty scenes seem to define the film itself, (As decreed by many sources, not necessarily saying the film claims this itself, but with its story, this is how it felt to me.) and that's a bit sad since this film takes itself very seriously.

The famous scenes are something indeed, but I kind of had to laugh at the newporn scene. It might have shocked me a bit more had I seen an umbilical chord anywhere. Would have added to the realism. Plus Milo raping that guy in the eye? What the heck? That would work wonderfully in a slasher like Friday the Thirteenth, but the approach to realism that this film yearns for is shot to hell with scenes like that. But what do I know, maybe you can actually kill someone by raping them through the brain. Oh and the antagonist cheering on Milo after he smashes half his head on the floor...haha, right. It seems that everyone is so psychotic in this that it should belong to genres spawned in the seventies. Not too subtle...

I didn't dislike it though. There are different ways to view a movie, and if I don't get too technical about things, it was a whole lot of fun, although a bit dragging at times.

Even though it seems obvious, I completely missed it - Makes me understand the purpose a bit more... Even though I still don't think I could sit through it, I guess I get the point...

But this whole discussion comes up again for me... Does the the end justify the means? I guess I ask this because I have such a tough time with exploitation films...

Just keep repeating, "It's only a movie... It's only a movie..."

Desensitized much?
We horror fans watch countless of films where people get murdered and die, what's wrong with raping babies?

Hmmm... If I were truly DEsensitized, wouldn't I not be bothered by baby rape? :rolleyes:



I don't think it's so much judging (the word "wrong" implies that I was judging either the makes of the film or its fans) - It's about my own personal tolerance to the subject matter. Just because one is a fan of horror in general doesn't mean that that person is a fanatic about ALL ASPECTS horror. Everyone has their favorite and least favorite sub-genres. Personally, I have an extremely difficult time sitting through torture or exploitation films. I'm not judging those who do - On the contrary, I am still incredibly interested and want to know as much about the subgenre as possible - Since I can't stand to watch, I like to ask those who have seen the films and those who enjoy them. I bumped this thread in particular to get the take of Ferox and EC whom, not only enjoy these films, but also have a considerable knowledge of this genre as a whole so while I don't think I'd ever want to watch the film, I like to know what genre fans truly think of it.

To say We horror fans watch countless of films where people get murdered and die, what's wrong with raping babies? is a glib, annoying over-simplification and I'm not sure what your point is.

Ferox: This might have come off wrong way; I was actually trying to compliment you on your observation of the metaphor of being "fucked at birth" - I used the term "obvious" toward myself because I missed that completely and felt silly for doing so. It seemed "obvious" to me once you said it, but I didn't catch on to it by myself.

:o

It's actually darkly clever.

It's a very well made film, but I'm still trying to decide if I can get past that one scene (not the newborn porn scene). That scene was exceptionally disturbing.