Of course they should be blamed and punished accordingly, but it won't happen most likely.

I agree 100 percent.

i dont think anyone is going to argue the fact that these kids should be in neck deep shit and some kind of clockwork orange reconditioning program - but i think when people see this they also tend to look at the bigger picture ..

these are kids ..

where do you start to draw the line with parental supervision/responsibility ?

some asshole kid at 13 running around getting in shit at 1 in the morning is 100% the responsibility of the parent/parents.

at what point do you say - well, nothing the parents can do about it ?
individually ? no - that would be a nightmare in the courts - so they had to pick an age.

until that time there is parental responsibility.. and seriously - i myself havent seen a kid who was raised by parents that gave a shit - capable of crap like these little bastards.


both the parents AND the kids ahould get a royal ass kicking - legally, finantially, and physically.

Where I'm liveing at the moment, youth gangs controll certain parts, you just don't go east.

But they are following in their parents foot steps..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_e1jSYqGY

An age is just a number, IMO.

Until and unless the kid is good enough to take on the world, it is parent's responsibility. How do we find it? Well the parents are the best judges themselves of course.

Which brings me to another point which Urge touched on earlier - why would some parents even give a shit? The case in point is an unwanted pregnancy. The guy didn't want it...the woman didn't want it...and yet the kid is born. How can such a kid get any sort of affection or attention from such parents?

Sometimes it makes me wonder, its better to abort than to raise such a kid and not give a shit about him. Such kids are more prone to grow up as rebels and vigilantes...maybe even a Bundy or a Dahmer.

Its a guranteed fact that almost 95% of all rebellious teens come from family backgrounds where they just aren't needed by their folks.

Blame the rich ones for the other 5%.

Absolutely. And as soon as my National Forced Eugenics Plan comes into play, unfit parents will be sterile until they prove that they are fit parents.

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But on a more serious, less crazy and sociopathic note...

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This whole situation disturbs me on a few different levels, especially the violently exploitative voyeuristic nature of the issue at hand. I find it absolutely disgusting and disturbing that this video would not only be posted, but be host to thousands of hits. It strikes me personally as a feminist (yes, deep inside this rough angry shell there is somewhat of a feminist in me) who sympathizes specifically with crimes against women (call me sexist if you like - we all have sores that break our heart and strike us personally and vulnerably - violence against women and children does that to me).

Good thread, Hammerfan. It was something that really bothered me when I heard about it, too. The bottom line is: Fights go on every day. But this fight, beating, abuse, was watched by so many people... What's wrong with us?

you dont have to be a feminist to have that button pushed ..

you just have to be a person with a sense of decency.

unfortunately kindness and decency is viewed as a weakness these days.

you can almost understand it coming from people who have a background that breed nothing but a total absence of self-worth ..

the ones that get me are the middle and upper class wannabe's that buy into the 'cold' bullshit.

ANY kind of gang mentality makes me want to puke.
fucking pack of wild unthinking dogs .. should be treated appropriately.

Yeah, I was just concerned that if I went on a "violence against women" tirade, the response would be, "YOU'RE SEXIST: VIOLENCE AGAINST BOYS IS TERRIBLE TOO," which YES, it IS.

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It's just that issues like this one strike me hard, to the core, and personally.

And I agree with you. I just don't understand the gang mentality. It's obviously people who are lonely and looking for a familial sort of unit (mayhaps there isn't a reliable one at home). Then again, I am not a child psychologist nor do I study gang/mob mentality, so what do I know in the matter?

But, what you said seems very insightful. You sound like a decent person with a good sense of right and wrong. Not everybody has that. A lot of people these days have a skewed sense of right and wrong. Let's take it down another path and talk about people who abuse animals. Another "hot button topic" for me. If I ever saw someone - child or adult - abusing an animal, I think I would go psycho on them.

It's really the only answer that I can come up with the support the reliance and allegiance of gangs. If there is no supportive family unit, the family unit is broken (single mom/dad), or the child is from a working family (mother and father are not around), the gang would serve as a surrogate family in the absence of those familial and parental influences. You see these cases more in lower socioeconomic situations where both mothers and fathers are forced to work and also the rate of single parents are higher (think about a single mother taking care of a son who is pursuing the typical father figure - a gang member could easily serve as that paternal strength and protector).

But anyway.

I definitely agree with you on animal cruelty; it's something that evokes a specific and strong response from me; I have a very difficult time seeing animals being abused, even in film and on TV when I know it's just part of the script; the thought of the abuse honestly haunts me (also with rape or child abuse scenes; they disturb me and I have a difficult time watching them).

What confounds me is how people simply do not believe that animals have feelings. It's true; my ultra-conservative friend Liz honestly does not believe that animals have feelings; I would get pissed off when she would kick my cat or toss her off her lap. But people feel that way.