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Vodstok 11-17-2004 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by urgeok
a review i heard aknowledged the dreamy non linear feel of the film but he said that was very much a part of Japanese horror cinema and he praised it anyway.

Interesting concept... nonlinear worked well in pulp-fiction. it also worked well in The Highlander. (well, semi nonlinea).

In the grudges case... i believe that is what we writers call "poor writing"

"What the hell, transition whenever you feel like it and dont tie it together well. People will get it anyway. And if they dont, they just arent very sophisticated...."

urgeok 11-17-2004 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Vodstok
Interesting concept... nonlinear worked well in pulp-fiction. it also worked well in The Highlander. (well, semi nonlinea).

In the grudges case... i believe that is what we writers call "poor writing"

"What the hell, transition whenever you feel like it and dont tie it together well. People will get it anyway. And if they dont, they just arent very sophisticated...."

the japanese in many cases also are like a lot of italian horror which is heavy into style over substance.
Sometimes I can deal with it.. others ... sure it can be tedious.
At least i guess i can see why others wouldnt like it.

Vodstok 11-17-2004 10:16 AM

That would explain a lot.. I cant stand style over substance (okay, so i liked independance day, sue me). I always believed that people who use this technique should leave the writing to someone else.

urgeok 11-17-2004 10:34 AM

i can be tolerant sometimes.
I find that the Hong Kong filmmakers are the worst.
I mean John Woo is a fun director but people like his early films because they are funny, old fashioned, and dont translate well to english, not because they are brilliant .. technically or otherwise.
everything is slo-mo ...ultra cliche ...
It just doesnt work as well for them ..

I think the italians get away with it because of the huge emphasis they put in the music and camerawork ..
The Japanese horror films are still somewhat musically challanged .. they rely on that cheap keyboard sound to much .. like a Richard Band production ..


anyway i still need to see the damn thing to make up my own mind. if i ever get a chance..

Vodstok 11-17-2004 11:07 AM

On the note of italian films, suspiria was a huge letdown. it was exactly what i expected of an italian horror flick, wich isnt a good thing in my book.

newb 11-17-2004 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Vodstok
On the note of italian films, suspiria was a huge letdown. it was exactly what i expected of an italian horror flick, wich isnt a good thing in my book.
Don't let zwoti see this :eek:

urgeok 11-17-2004 11:43 AM

well, i know what he means .. they are an aquired taste. I'm fully aware of their shortcomings but i love them never the less..

Vodstok 11-17-2004 11:51 AM

Ilove Mcdonald's double cheeseburgers, and consider a dinner at taco bell "special".... So to each his own.

zwoti 11-17-2004 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Vodstok
On the note of italian films, suspiria was a huge letdown. it was exactly what i expected of an italian horror flick, wich isnt a good thing in my book.
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Originally posted by newb
Don't let zwoti see this :eek:

tachii 11-18-2004 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by urgeok
try 2000 - 3000 movies i own and havent seen yet ...



how does that happen
i only have about 7 which are still waiting around for viewing
of course i don't open them up until ready to watch
is your case the same?


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