Ok.. so disagree. With proof. Otherwise you're just like a mother that tells her infant "because I said so."

You need to have backing in your beliefs, otherwise why would you believe in it?

I didnt see proof on either side.I do have backing in my beliefs and if someone wants to believe it takes a spine to be considered human life so be it.To me a hearbeat is enough.Scientists crontradict eachother all the time and one will tell you human life starts the way sam decribed and another will tell you it starts right after conception.I agree with some of what he sad just not all of it.Seems the only thing we dissagree on is when its considered a human life.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...&threadid=4179
There's evidence brought up in there.

It's enough to have a heartbeat? Man, if you're not a vegetarian then you're a cannibal.
If you don't have the physical traits that classify you as a human, you're not human.

By the way, you've yet to list your sources for anything remotely scientific you've brought up.

:rolleyes: You must be blind. Sam already posted some.. and he already beat me to rementioning it.

Bravo, Sam. Very well stated, I think. I agree that you can have your beliefs, however you can't impose those beliefs on other people. That's the problem with the Religious Right. They try and make everyone have those outdated out moded oppressive beliefs.

C'mon people, don't be like the Religious Right.

Just to clarify and reiterate, I could never have an abortion, but there is no way in hell that I would tell another woman that she couldn't. Fundementally and for myself, I'm Pro-CHOICE. There should always be a choice.

This thread is to long so i did not read the whole thing but still want to post how i feel. When i was 15 i became pregnent. My boyfriends parents asked if i had considered abortion. I hit the roof Because my choses came before i got pregnent. When you become pregnent a life starts "FACT". If you stop it you have killed it "FACT". I don't belive we have the right to kill our children. As you can see I have very strong feelings about this. If you don't want a baby, Don't get pregnent!!! I also want you to know that my best friend had an abortion when she was young and while it was hard to hear, I stood by her side. She is still haunted today over that Experence.

I'm not going to type a lengthy explanation, I just think it's wrong.

Im not argueing your point sam.What i want to know is at what point is it ok to have an abortion and what point is not??Just because some people need to hear that it reached what they conider the human stage so is that when it shouldnt be allowed to abort?The sites you posted is nothing new and stuff to be honest u learn in 7th grade.

Why even bring science in this when its a moral issue??science dont teach you morals and values.You place to much on physical traits when without a heartbeat you die right??DNA makes up everythin we become and DNA is unique to each indvidual so therefore DNA is a human life at its earliest stages.DNA seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom so therefore with testing we know without a doubt its a human life.It doesnt matter that you wanna knocK DNA.The point is once you have DNA you cannott prove against it as being a human life.

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he's not serious...

please tell me he's not being serious

Uh...DNA is contained within every living thing, and that includes plants and animals. Dude, you might want to re-examine your facts, because you appear to be WRONG.

By the way, Nate, this is not a moral issue, and even if it were what makes you or any other pro-lifer qualified to decide the morals for an ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD? That's why it's not a more issue.

I don't mean to yell at you man, but don't come up in here spouting bullshit. Check your facts. See, if this were an actual debate, you AND Sam would have to qualify your facts with hard data. Sam was pretty good about doing that at the beginning. Let's see some data.