I'll remove my backing of Hell House and back Martin as well.

A turnaround - The Brood drops out of the top 4, and Martin storms in.

A new contender here, Herzog's Nosferatu, joins the race for the final 2 HM spots. Of course, Magic and Night Stalker still lead that race, with The Brood still in contention.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=907

What next?

It's an interesting idea. One good thing about all of us picking 6 films is we get past the pet films everyone has demonstrated they have, and we get a wider consensus and find common appreciations of notable works.

Perhaps V might consider trying to combine the best aspects of both ideas: with the basic point system we're already using, each person backs two films, which allots two points each. And then their remaining four films are awarded one point each. That gives important films weight, and still affords a wider consensus.

For personal consideration/discussion: should any of us really decide to neg any films with the initial intent of try to 'make room' for another film we prefer? Rather, we seemed to have had been building a precedence, not only that negging would be extremely rare, but also that one wouldn't neg a film for being merely OK, but rather extremely bad in some way.

If I'm allowed, I'll back again, Frankenstein the True Story. It's a quality television production with a star studded cast, and the only film to tell the entire story of Frankenstein as it was written in the book.

I'll also cast a vote for Night Stalker.

Although I see your point, I think it becomes a problem if we have to back "just to back", if that makes any sense. Maybe that's just me, but I think you should back a movie because you think it deserves to be on the list, and not because "I'm missing 2, I guess I've got to pick something... "


I totally agree with this. It shouldn't become a competition about who gets to have their favourite movies on the list. I wouldn't neg vote something unless I REALLY thought it was dreadful. But - NOT telling others what to do, this is just my personal opinion on neg voting.

There was only one time that I used negative voting to ensure a film that I thought was better would make it. All the other times, that I remember, I disliked the film that I neg voted and did not think that it deserved to be on the list. I have used it very rarely, in my opinion. Sometimes the films I wanted in were not necessarily my favorites, just films I believed should be on the list. For instance I loved Tarantula, but believed, objectively, that The Quatermass Xperiment better deserved to be on the list. I do get and understand what you are saying and I do agree that negative voting should be reserved.

Awesome, loving the honourable mentions for this decade.... I'll back The Night Stalker too. I'm guessing my backing for Frankenstein: The True Story still stands from earlier in the process, hoping that it can still make a late run into the final couple of spots!

Just to clarify my position on the two neg votes I made. I have hardly made any in this process, but when I do its because I don't believe the film belongs on the final list. If anyone can give me a reason why this is not the correct way to use a neg vote, I'm all ears...

And we have The Night Stalker joining the ranks under Honorable Mentions as the 5th chosen film.

Still need to find ONE more, out of SIX frontrunners for that final spot.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...398#post954398

*bump*

Still need to finalise 1 more film before we start on the 80s, folks.

Question: on the 1970s list page, of the 6 you have underlined, what you're calling the "six front runners", The Brood and Legend of Hell House have a (-1); does that mean that are no longer in contention? If so, then there's really 4 underlined contenders; and "Magic" has a majority (3). Looks like we might be spent on 1970s. I'm pleased with the 22 and 6 Honorable Mentions with the most backings.

It simply means they are still in the fray, but have scored a negative vote each (by Straker). They will need more support to break away from the rest. Effectively, Magic and The Brood are tied together with equal support at the moment.

Again, I must ask you to refrain yourself from jumping the gun. We are still in search for that final film for the Honorable Mentions.

I'll back Frankenstein: The True Story

Respectfully, I was not jumping the gun, V. I was asking you a question, and subquestion/conclusion. I was confused; I thought if someone negged a film, it meant it was out of the competition completely; that we all had a "veto" power, as opposed to that it was simply a minus one in the backing count. Now I know better. thanks!

Villain's latest backing means 3 films are now in joint contention for that final spot for Honorable Mentions - Frankenstein: The True Story, Magic & The Brood.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=907

Which one will break free and assert it's dominance?

I will back Frankenstein: The True Story

:cool:




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I will back Frankenstein: The True Story.

Sweet! I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's good, and I'll be watching it soon. Always nice to get a good recommendation. I like where the 70s listed ended up.

Okay, the majority have called it, so here's our final tally for the 70s:-


IN THE CUT

Halloween (1978) - 10
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974) - 10

Alien (1979) - 9
Carrie (1976) - 9
Suspiria (1977) - 9

Dawn of the Dead (1978) - 8
Jaws (1975) - 8
The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971) - 8
The Amityville Horror (1979) - 8
The Exorcist (1973) - 8

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - 7
Phantasm (1979) - 7

Last House on the Left (1972) - 6
The Omen (1976) - 6
The Wicker Man (1973) - 6
Zombi 2 (1979) - 6

The Hills Have Eyes (1977) - 5

Eraserhead (1977) - 3

Salem's Lot (1979 TV Movie) - 2

Rabid (1977)

Black Christmas (1974) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by realdealblues, metternich1815, Kandarian Demon)[IN]

Burnt Offerings (1976) - 2 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by realdealblues, Giganticface, The Villain)[IN]

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HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Sentinel (1977) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by Giganticface, The Villain) {realdealblues*}
Martin (1977) - 2 {Straker*, neverending*, Giganticface*, Sculpt*, The Villain*}
The Night Stalker (1972 TV Movie) - 2 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by realdealblues) {The Villain*, neverending*, Straker}
Frankenstein: The True Story (1973, TV) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending) {The Villain*, Kandarian Demon*, metternich1815*}
The Driller Killer (1979) {Neverending*, The Villain*, realdealblues*, Giganticface*, metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}
Deep Red (1975) {Giganticface*, realdealblues*, metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}




DEBATABLE

The Andromeda Strain (1971) - 3


MINORITY

A Bay of Blood (1971) - 2 (backed by roshiq)
Frogs (1972) - 2
I Spit on Your Grave (1978) - 2
Let's Scare Jessica to Death (1971) - 2
Magic (1978) - 2 (backed by Sculpt) {Giganticface*, The Villain*}
The Brood (1979) - 2 (backed by roshiq) {The Villain*, realdealblues*, Sculpt*} (-1)
The Dunwich Horror (1970) - 2 (backed by hammerfan)
The Legend of Hell House (1973) - 2 (backed by roshiq) {metternich1815*} (-1)



SINGLE VOTES TO

A Virgin Among the Living Dead (1973)
A Warning to the Curious (1972 TV)
Alucarda, la hija de las tinieblas (1977)
Awakening of the Beast (1970)
Blood for Dracula (1974) (backed by roshiq)
Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter (1974)
Damien: Omen II (1978) (backed by Kandarian Demon)
Daughters of Darkness (1971)
Deliverance (1972)
Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark (1973 TV)
Dr. Phibes Rises Again (1972)
Dracula (1979)
Dracula A.D. 1972 (1972)
Empire of Passion (1978)
Flesh for Frankenstein (1973)
Frightmare (1974)
Ghost Story (1974)
Gojira tai Hedora (1971) (backed by Sculpt)
Grizzly (1976)
House of Dark Shadows (1970)
I Drink Your Blood (1970) (backed by roshiq) {realdealblues*}
It's Alive (1974) {metternich1815*}
King Kong (1976) {Giganticface*} (-2)
Kingdom of the Spiders (1977)
La noche del terror ciego (1972)
Le frisson des vampires (1971)
Madhouse (1974)
Non si sevizia un paperino (1972)
Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979) {metternich1815*, Sculpt*}
Orca (1977)
Soylent Green (1973)
Sssssss (1973)
Straw Dogs (1971) {Giganticface*}
Tales from the Crypt (1974)
Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970)
The Food of the Gods (1976)
The Ghost Galleon (1974)
The Horror of Frankenstein (1970)
The Incredible Melting Man (1977)
The Other (1972)
The Satanic Rites of Dracula (1973)
The Spell (1977 TV Movie)
The Stepford Wives (1976) (backed by metternich1815)
The Tenant (1976)
The Town That Dreaded Sundown (1976)
Theatre of Blood (1973)
Trilogy of Terror (1975 TV Movie)
When a Stranger Calls (1979)
Willard (1971)
Within the Woods (1978 Short Film)
Your Vice Is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key (1972)


SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 70s :-

A*P*E 1976
Daigoro vs. Goliath 1972
Empire of the Ants 1977
Gamera vs. Jiger 1970
Gamera vs. Zigra 1971
Godzilla vs. Gigan 1972
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 1974
Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973
Night of the Lepus 1972
Prophecy 1979
Queen Kong 1976
Space Amoeba 1970
Terror of Mechagodzilla 1975
The Food of the Gods 1976
The Giant Spider Invasion 1975
The Mighty Peking Man 1977


{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS}




We now move into the 80s...

IN THE CUT

A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) - 10

Evil Dead II (1987) - 9
The Evil Dead (1981) - 9
The Shining (1980) - 9

The Thing (1982) - 8

Friday the 13th (1980) - 7
Hellraiser (1987) - 7
Poltergeist (1982) - 7

Aliens (1986) - 6
An American Werewolf in London (1981) - 6
Fright Night (1985) - 6
Re-Animator (1985) - 6

Basket Case (1982) - 5
Videodrome (1983) - 5

Cannibal Holocaust (1980) - 4
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986) - 4
The Fly (1986) - 4

Pet Sematary (1989) - 3
Scanners (1981) - 3
The Howling (1981) - 3

The Changeling (1980) (backed by Straker, seconded by The Villain, Giganticface, metternich1815, fortunato) [IN]
The Beyond (1981) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by tiberius, fortunato, Giganticface, realdealblues, neverending) [IN]


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HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Return of the Living Dead (1985) - 4 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon) {metternich1815*, Giganticface*, The Villain*}
Demons (1985) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by Straker) {Giganticface*, Kandarian Demon*, neverending*}
Day of the Dead (1985) - 3 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by realdealblues) {metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}
The Fog (1980) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon, Straker) {The Villain*} (-1)
Near Dark (1987) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Sculpt) {Giganticface*, The Villain*, Straker*}
Sleepaway Camp (1983) - 2 (backed by metternich1815) {Giganticface*} {neverending*} {fortunato*} {Straker*}



DEBATABLE


Gremlins (1984) - 4

Child's Play (1988) - 3 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues)
Christine (1983) - 3 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by natedog722)
Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981) - 3 (backed by The Villain)
Prince of Darkness (1987) - 3
Pumpkinhead (1988) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain) {Kandarian Demon*} (-1)
Santa Sangre (1989) - 3



MINORITY

A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987) - 2
Bad Taste (1987) - 2
Cat People (1982) - 2 {Straker*} {neverending*}
Cujo (1983) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
Friday the 13th Part III (1982) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
From Beyond (1986) - 2
Pin (1988) - 2
Poltergeist II: The Other Side (1986) - 2
Predator (1987) - 2 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, tiberius)
Psycho II (1983) - 2
The Entity (1982) - 2
The Gate (1987) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Lost Boys (1987) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Vanishing (1988) - 2



SINGLE VOTES TO

A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985)
Altered States (1980)
Angst (1983)
Baxter (1989)
Blue Velvet (1986) (backed by neverending) {Straker*}
Children of the Corn (1984)
Combat Shock (1984)
Creepshow (1982)
DeepStar Six (1989)
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (1984)
The Funhouse (1981)
Galaxy of Terror (1981)
Ghost Story (1981)
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (1988)
Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988)
Inferno (1980)
Killer Klowns From Outer Space (1988)
Le notti del terrore (1981)
Leviathan (1989)
Link (1986)
Maniac Cop (1988)
Maximum Overdrive (1986)
Men Behind the Sun (1988)
Monkey Shines (1988)
Motel Hell (1980)
Mr. Vampire Saga (1985)
Ms. 45 (1981) (backed by neverending)
My Bloody Valentine (1981)
Nekromantik (1987)
Night of the Demons (1988)
Phantasm II (1988)
Phenomena (1985)
Possession (1981)
Silent Night, Deadly Night (1984)
Tenebre (1982)
Tetsuo (1989)
The Believers (1987)
The Blob (1988)
The Hitcher (1986)
The Monster Squad (1987)
The Stuff (1985)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 (1986)
The Video Dead (1987)
The Woman in Black (1989 TV Movie) (backed by The Villain)
They Live (1988) (backed by Sculpt)
Warlock (1989)
Xtro (1983)


SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 80s :-

Alligator 1980
Gamera: Super Monster 1980
Godzilla vs. Biollante 1989
King Kong Lives 1986
Pulgasari 1985
Q - The Winged Serpent 1982
The Lair of the White Worm 1988
The Return of Godzilla 1984
Yamata no Orochi no Gyakushu 1985

{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS BACKINGS}



The initial backings/negations stay.

Adding a special "Giant Monster" films section at the end for due consideration, since it was demanded.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones from the DEBATABLE section onwards.
The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the remaining films for our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can shortlist TWO films from the 4-votes section which have the maximum backings for our Top 22, and get the Honorable Mentions from the rest.

OR we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our chosen films.

Either way, let's hear it.

Pumpkinhead and The Fog

I forget. Can I back a film that I backed last time? I can't remember.

If I can then Demons and Pumpkinhead.

If not then The Fog and Pumpkinhead

I love Child's Play but it shouldn't be on the list. I do think it should be included in the honorable mentions.

Nope, you can't.

NE's & Villain's opinions added. Looks like The Fog will be joining the ranks as the 21st chosen one for the 80s.

Really have to get behind The Changeling here guys.... It's such an oversight that this didn't make the original 20. I'd put it amongst the best ghost/ haunted house movies ever made. George C. Scott is outstanding as the troubled composer and Melvyn Douglas puts in a stellar performance in what I imagine would have been one of his last appearances on screen. This one really is a timeless classic that needs to be recognised. The ultimate 'Things that go bump in the night' movie. Full of tension, atmosphere and genuine chills with barely a drop of blood in sight.

I completely missed it there. I actually thought it was already in. I've recently seen it and agree with you, it is amazing movie and really scary. Definitely deserving to be on this list. I'd like to remove my backing of The Fog and back The Changeling instead.

Agree. I think the Changeling is the one most worthy of the top 22. I'll back it.

So am I getting this right, if it was in your original 20 movie list, you can't back it?

I'll back Near Dark and The Changeling.

I don't think its if it was in your original 20. But when we first started backing films, if you backed a film and it didnt get in, your backing from that period remains so you can't double back it. You'd have to either plead your case for the movies you've already backed or back new ones.

I know it doesn't make sense to back more then two films to be included but i feel that its ok for me to back The Woman in Black since nobody else has. It's an intriguing well made horror movie that is very scary despite being a made for TV movie. It doesn't resort to cheap jump scares or have to use gore or other tricks to scare the audience. It pulls you into it's terrifying atmosphere and chills you to the bone.

Sorry that i keep changing my votes around and mixing things up. I think sometimes i don't take the time to think about my votes initially which i really should stop doing.

I am really surprised that Predator (1987) did not already make the list. It has some really brilliant performances, especially by Schwarzenegger. The premise is pretty interesting. Additionally, I find the atmosphere to be perfect. This movie, for some reason, still creeps me out. Of course, one can not forget the brilliant score by Alan Silvestri. Not to mention the fact that the Predator has become a pop culture icon. Some may argue that it is a sci-fi, but I will make two points. First, Aliens is on the list. Secondly, that is true, but the horror themes are strong, so, unless someone is a horror movie purist, they can not deny that this film is definitely a horror movie. Anyway, this is my defense of this movie. If it does not make the main cut, then it should at least make honorable mention.

Agreed. Definitely deserves a spot on the honorable mentions at least.

Oh, now it makes sense... thanks for explaining :D

No problem i was a little confused at first too but figured it out

I will back The Fog and...

Hmm, it's almost impossible for me to choose between Pumpkinhead and Return of the Living Dead, but if the general opinion here is that we should stick to two, I guess I'll back Return of the Living Dead.

My REASON for doing so:

I've socialised a lot with other horror fans over the years, and the ONE movie pretty much everyone seemed to love was Return of the Living Dead. Even non-horror fans seems to enjoy it, and friends have quoted that movie more times than I can count. And wasn't it the movie that actually started that whole "braaaaain!" thing too? :D

Some of you might disagree with me simply because it's a comedy, but it's honestly my opinion that Return of the Living Dead is one of the main reasons why zombies have crept into pop culture the way they have, and that the movie has quite a lot to do with how people in general perceive zombies.

And this is why I think the movie deserves to be on this list - yes, it's a comedy, but I think it's an important movie for the genre.

Predator and The Beyond

Had to take quite some time to review these remaining films...

Most Worthy for 21 & 22:

The Return of the Living Dead (1985) - Is a surprisingly excellent film. I expected the same-old tired plot, & cardboard characters to support gory scenes. Turns out Dan O'Bannon (writer of Alien) took old theme & made a top notch 'A' film, supporting Horror film making. It's successfully scary and funny. It's funny because it's 'so real', the humor is organic. The classic line is, Corpse: "Come in dispatch. Send more paramedics."

Near Dark (1987) - director Kathryn Bigelow artfully & skillfully shot film. Explores the seductiveness of evil.


I already backed The Return of the Living Dead, but Near Dark I'm newly supporting. So I may back another film.

Neg - Pumpkinhead - I was hoping to like this film. I've always liked the old style 'folk' horror tales. Although Pumpkinhead was interesting, & some nice cinematography, I decidedly think it just was not a good film. The story, script & especially the characters were shallow and disjointed, didn't care about the characters, acting was subpar. It just didn't work. It's just not good enough to be in the top 22. (I'm not the only who thought so; as it's universally poorly rated by critics and masses alike).

I would have backed Near Dark, as I think it's a better film than either of the films I did back, but it wasn't in the right category.

Wasn't in the right category? You mean in the Debatable section? (Per V's written explanation) all the films listed below the top 20 you can back. But actually, you already backed Near Dark for the Top 20. Your backing is what caught my eye. Really good catch. I'm seconding your original backing. Very worthy film.