Great points, Sculpt.

And I agree, this going to be worse than I thought. It's pretty bad when someone negative votes six well-respected films, simply because they're "not Top 100 for me." (Note, I'm not referring to Straker.)

I'm pretty sure I'm out on this one.

I think what Straker is saying here is 100 is a limited number when there are actually so many deserving candidates out there in considering not only American but world cinema as a whole. Any ardent movie fan may get frustrated while be a part of such wonderful & massive project & when he or she sees some 'great' movies have initially started to filling the spots in final/top 100 when there's still a big number of 'greater or greatest' movies (& which is also more than hundreds) are still left/waiting for consideration; moreover, plenty of them even failed to get a single nomination in the initial voting process.

But yeah...I agree with you, Sculpt that it's actually or literally impossible to satisfy everyone while we're conducting this kind of compilation with a range of people with different tastes in movies. There's not a single "Top/Best..." movie list ever created that made everyone happy, IMO.

Btw, have you guys played on flickchart? Ranking your own movie list by choosing between a choice of 2... it's a great time-killer! ::big grin::

Before everyone jumps ship, let's just take a tally for the 13 films in debate right now.

Objections have come from:

Back To The Future - 3 (roshiq, Straker)
Die Hard - 3 (roshiq, Straker)
Dog Day Afternoon - 3 (realdealblues)
Edward Scissorhands - 3 (roshiq, realdealblues, Straker)
Gone With The Wind - 3 (roshiq)
It's a Wonderful Life - 3 (roshiq)
Monty Python & The Holy Grail - 3 (The Villain)
Pulp Fiction - 3 (roshiq, realdealblues)
Saving Private Ryan - 3 (realdealblues)
The Empire Strikes Back - 3 (roshiq)
The Terminator - 3 (roshiq, realdealblues, Straker)
Titanic - 3 (roshiq, Straker)
Twelve Monkeys - 3 (realdealblues, Straker)

Approval for all films: Sculpt, Giganticface, metternich1815.

Since all other methods seem to be failing and we are running in circles, let me try my "easy-peasy" elimination method here...

All films have 3 nominations each, and all see approval from 3 members, so that's SIX per film. Now, taking objections into account, we are left with:

Back To The Future - 4
Die Hard - 4
Dog Day Afternoon - 5
Edward Scissorhands - 3
Gone With The Wind - 5
It's a Wonderful Life - 5
Monty Python & The Holy Grail - 5
Pulp Fiction - 4
Saving Private Ryan - 5
The Empire Strikes Back - 5
The Terminator - 3
Titanic - 4
Twelve Monkeys - 4


So, filtering further, we have SIX more films with at least 5 overall thumbs-ups, so I am moving them into the final compilation. That will take our overall tally to 20.

We are left with SEVEN films with 4 or less overall thumbs-ups, so I am moving them into the backburner with the other TWO films from the previous set (Matrix & Once Upon A Time In The West) for debate later.

We are still left with 80 spots to fill, from the 2-nominations and single nominations section. And of course, we have 25 Honorable Mention spots up for grabs as well. So that's 105 spots left to fill, from a residual list of 208 films.

Pretty good ratio, don't you all agree?

So the ones who move on to the final list are - Dog Day Afternoon, Gone With The Wind, It's A Wonderful Life, Monty Python & The Holy Grail, Saving Private Ryan and The Empire Strikes Back.

Films moved to the backburner are - Back To The Future, Die Hard, Edward Scissorhands, Pulp Fiction, The Terminator, Titanic and Twelve Monkeys.

We shall go through the films with 2 nominations later today.

hehehe...so I'm the one with highest number of objections::embarrassment::

Anyway, I'm good with V's final selections above, glad DDA made it to the Top 100. Let's move on...::cool::

So, someone isn't allowed to disagree with something just because it's well-respected?

I disagreed with George W. Bush's Policies even though he was President of the United States and well respected by lots of other people. Are you saying I should have voted for him anyway, even though many of his ideals went against everything I held as being "good criteria" as a leader?

Come on...

I realize I'm in the minority on most things and that's fine. I disagree with many of AFI's top movie picks. I disagree with Roger Ebert all the time. Who cares?

I didn't get any sense of emotion from Saving Private Ryan, I thought it was boring and dull and overrated. I probably won't ever watch it again. Travis obviously felt it was an emotional story and enjoyed it. Good for him. Neither of us are alone in our beliefs and I don't think any differently about Travis. We just disagree on what we saw in the movie. So what? That's what makes the world go round and helps give it it's diversity. Different strokes for different folks.

V says the movie is in. I'm not taking my ball and going home. Whatever makes it in, makes it in. I still get to express my opinion, as do you, and Sculpt and Straker and Roshiq and anyone else who wants to vote on an open forum. The majority is going to rule in the end anyway.

Exactly. The whole point of this is to create conversation and debate. Were all going to argue over our choices. I don't care if someone neg votes a movie I think belongs in but I'm also going to argue my point for the movie and I'm not gonna get upset if people disagree with me or my movie doesn't get in. As long as nobody's being insulting and offensive There's no reason for anyone to get upset.

See...still friends ::big grin::

And definitely reiterate the insulting and offensive. Most of us are sarcastic and half joking with our quips, but there's never any reason to be deliberately nasty or insulting to someone.

Continue on when ready V...

These are the kind of discussions I like to see. Well thought-out, mature, and intelligent.

Makes me wish I was good at expressing myself via the written word.

Nah, sorry man. I knew that would get misinterpreted. My bad.

All I meant was that I don't think a film should get a negative vote just because it's not in *your* top 100, which is basically the only reason you gave. It should get a negative vote if it's clearly undeserving, and hopefully you can provide some reasoning behind the negative vote.

Believe me, its not about wanting things all my own way, I have been involved in enough of these processes to realise that if you get one little victory against the swathe of myopic thought you can consider it a success. I'm just bored of ragging on people's favourite movies and sounding like a pretentious dick. I cant really muster up much but a general sense of apathy right now.



@Sculpt: Of course I've seen Edward Scissorhands....