This thread just came to my attention. A film of mine that's been in production limbo for what feels like forever falls under the dead kid category. I have most of it shot and made a '60 Second Film' version/trailer for some contest and included it at the beginning of another friend's film release since I was his editor. His film was released and reviewed by someone I'm not best friends with, but have always been on good terms with. At the end of the review, he stated the trailer for my film was 'total crap'. I was aghast. Everyone who had seen it thought it was well done, creepy, atmospheric, etc. even if it was bizzarre and rather ugly. I wrote to him to ask why he stated that. His reply was simple. He thought it was really well done, etc., but felt I had broken the unwritten rule of horror. 'What's that ?' I asked. I not only SHOWED a dead child in it, but I broke an even worse taboo by showing the child getting killed. Natuarally I thought he was joking. Apparently not. He said he simply could not give me a good review based upon that premise. I thanked him for his honesty and have since gone back to putting my original vision for those scenes back in. The original scenes are easily10 times more graphic. A slow motion scene of the little girl getting shot in the head, rivers of blood, skull and brains everywhere. I toned it down for the trailer. Knowing it bothers people that much makes me want to keep it now even more. Never compromise your artistic vision (unless you get a lot of money to LOL).
CK
PS You can see the '60 Second Film' at :
Sins of The Mother / Going, Going... trailer

Moonsorrow, if you want to look so different to set yourself apart from everyone in the first place, don't you think you're going to get some mixed perceptions from people then ? Nothing worse then people who cry out for attention then cry when it's negative LOL
CK

hey fuck you, not looking for atention, i get enough as it is...why do looks always have to be acociated with attention...
i dont feel comfortable in baggy fucking pants, i dont feel to good in a siut either, nor do i feel good in a jogging siut.
i like the clothes i wear and i dont do for anybody but me, and anybody who thinks diffrentley... go fuck yourself(s)

Yeah, nothing about this seems to scream 'Look at me ! Look at me !'. LOL
CK
PS Fuck you, too :D
Your Dungeons and Dragons team awaits.

your the kind of person im talking about here, you take one look at me and you got me pegged, you got me in a both and all figured out havent you?
someday your going to piss of the wrong person, if this was face to face it would have been me, your in luck this time.

that picture makes me want to kick ass

I would love to look like that.

But my job prevents me from doing so.

Moonsorrow - I know what it's like to be different man. I also know what it's like for everyone to think you are doing it for attention and for the sole purpose of pissing people off. That's not what it's about. It's about being yourself, regardless of what other people think.

Go for it. I may not necessarily want to see it, but if it's as shocking as you make it sound, I'll have to. Nothing scares me anymore, except midgets.

exactley, in todays modern society its the individuals that count, even (fluff)ho is an individual and she does count as much as i hate to admitt it...even that little turd who just pissed me off...cant remember the name. what would a man be if we were all the same?

You're the one bitching about the negative attention you get from wearing blood and fangs and shit. How am I pegging anything wrong ? If you don't like people's reactions, DON'T WEAR THEM.
Sorry to get you in such a tizzy. However, I would like to take you up on your offer. If you're ever in Chicago, look me up. You'll be swallowing those fangs and the blood and tears will be for real, cutie. Nothing worse than hearing kids with bad attitudes making anonymous threats from behind their computers. Esp when they're wearing make-up.

christ...this is pathetic, threats over the internett? personaly i would rather eat my own face then set foot in america.

wow. you give me too much credit. all i do is hang out.. but i guess i am a lot weirder than most. so is what im told

hmmm ? Eat your own face ? You have the fangs for it I guess. Hope you don't get indigestion though. I'll get the rest of America to sign my sympathy card for you saying how sorry we are you won't be coming. I was going to bake a cake, too. Oh well.

a cake is no fun when your all alone love

hmmm I'm sure I can work them into the unshot footage somehow LOL
CK

if i had a dime id give you one, so you could buy yourself a better brain and maby half a sence of humor...its late, im tierd and im hitting the sack.

All of America was going to come out for your party. We were all going to hide in Wyoming or some other big waste of a state and jump out and yell 'surprise !' in your honor (or do you prefer 'honour' ?) when you arrived. <sigh> I guess I'll be the one to break the bad news to the rest of the nation you won't be coming any time soon now. We'll probably wear armbands and have a national day of mourning this week.
CK

...and if I had a schoolchild's spelling lesson book, I'd give it to you. You write like you need it. Sweet dreams. Don't forget to take off your make-up before you go to bed, cutie. :D
CK

So you would have him just give in? Just give up his individuality so he doesn't have to put up with the bullshit? Why? Because that's the way things are? It's bullshit. Society should not dictate who we are. Unfortunately, that is the way it is. Does that mean we should like it or give in to it? Not at all. If anything, it should make us fight harder to retain that individuality.

Attitudes such as the one you have were the cause for religious inquisitions where people who were labeled as "different" were executed for being that way. It is the cause of racism, and the cause of undue hatred based solely on the way someone looks. It disgusts me. Especially when people use the excuse "Well, everyone else thinks/acts/talks/looks this way, why shouldn't I?" Just because everyone else you know is bigoted and can't tolerate the differences in other people doesn't mean that you should be the same way.

I know it's on the extreme end, but not liking different ideas and people is what brought Hitler to power. Just think about that. THEN, come back and tell me "fit in because you should, and don't bitch if you don't". That is a very juvenile, lazy attitude that can lead to very bad things.

He does pretty damn good for someone who's native language isn't English.

Your best bet is to drop this battle. I can outwit the likes of you any day.

hmmm the thread was about 'dead kids in movies' and somehow he has to bring up his look again, even though he's already posted the same topic in General. What does his preference in wardrobe have to with this topic here ? Nothing. He wants to look different ? Fine. Most people here do and have taken as much shit if not more than he has. Sounds to me more like he a personal insecurity problem then. What that has to do with dead kids in movies, I have no idea. Don't give in, but also don't whine about it, especially on an unrelated thread. He made it quite clear he doesn't like the negative attention he gets, but continues to do it anyways. My solution was simple: either deal with it or quit, but don't blather on about it like it's some crusade the rest of the world has against him personally (on an unrelated post mind you).
As for English being his second language, he sure picked up 'fuck you' quickly enough to post to me. That ranks right up there with 'your mama' as the sign of a lost argument. If he didn't agree with me, I'm sure there are many other ways of expressing it rather than the ever convenient 'fuck you'. Again, 'fuck you' is probably the most universal, NON-INDIVIDUAL way of being able to disagree without any thought involved. I'm sure we'd all love to see George W. break out with a 'fuck you' in a national debate against Kerry on tv just for that reason, but it's unlikely LOL
As for outwitting the 'likes of me any day', Ege, I'll look forward to you trying. This overall is a weak topic at best and not worthy of some serious debating. Maybe a topic of the pros and cons of midgets in cinema would be better suited for that :D
CK
PS Back to the original subject at hand, I hope you enjoyed my '60 Second' condensed film opening if you watched it.

Meh. Shit happens.

Nice host, BTW. 300kbps+ is a very nice download speed.

Ok, here's what I thought of the trailer: Good idea. Horrible acting on the part of the woman though. The father seems to be an ok actor and the kids... well, kids are kids. They don't have to act.

The audio was too loud, it's garbled. Need to master it a bit more, though it may just be from the compression. What bitrate was the sound done at? What codec? Is it .mp3 audio? You may want to consider sacrificing a little filesize for better audio quality. It really takes away from the trailer. An extra MB or so isn't going to make much of a difference. I like the overall effect though.

Good job. :)

Thanks. The mom is still going to reshoot some scenes for me. I'm pretty decent at editing, but some things are impossible to work around LOL. She's actually in it because she has a near identical twin sister, who also appears in the film (important plot point).Worst part was the little boy has the one line of dialogue that the entire film revolves around. The original boy decided 12 hours before shooting that he didn't want to do it and it turned out his replacement has ADD (kind of like 'Rain Man' with a real bad attitude LOL). He repeated the line all day long until I was actually filming. I've learned way too much the hard way from this film and it's still not done yet. On the plus side, scream queen Kimberly Lynn Cole appears in it. She still thinks the storyline is brilliant even if the actual film is bogged down by my non-actor friends LOL. This winter's filming of my 'Resurrection Mary' will actually have real actors this tiime. I want to make horror movies, not horrible movies LOL
CK

check out from dusk till dawn the little asian kid gets mutilated

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yeah i had to go to a babies funeral while the family was on vacation he rolled off the balcony of the hotel he was only about 2 months old

Or losing your kid because your ex wasnt paying attention, like Eric Clapton.... That situation was fucking horrible

allright, my last words on this topic...i was making a comparrison, it was on topic. out.

Children... So small.. So Innocent... So easy for killers to get....

Re: Kids Dying Violent Deaths in Horror
 

Two that spring to mind are Mimic, where two kids looking for an insect pupa in the subway get eaten alive, and 28 Days Later, where that kid infected with the rage virus get his head smacked in with a baseball bat.

was this shit worth dredging up again ?

I think that they should start making horror movies when ONLY kids die, because nothingh pisses me off more than terrible kid actors.

I noticed that long ago, and so I was thinking of having a little kid die a gory death in my movie since you don't see it much....dont know for sure yet though...I know alot of little boys around here are into horror movies(because they complimented my Leatherface & Michael Myers costumes) and I'm sure I could get one to agree to get all bloody for a movie scene.

If you're going to put kids in a horror movie, don't make them smarter or less vulnerable than adults or teens. Don't take your audience for morons. Kids dying in horror movies is a good thing in my book.

I definitely won't...I'm sort of basing this movie on real events...not entirely of course because it's a horror movie. But I'm taking a few things from real life and putting them in the story and basing some characters on people I've known...and most people I've known haven't been the smartest.

Personally I would like to see MORE of that. I mean, why do the kids always live (not always, but you know what I mean.) Its always the adults or teens. Its a horror movie, and I'm sure a evil psychopathic insane killer isn't going to be nice enough as to spare a child. Or some freak, sudden occurrence where someone comes in at the exact right time to save the child. What are the chances? Honestly.

well, lets see if i can explain this properly.

the people who make films - for the most part - are adults.
adults dont enjoy seeing children die onscreen.

this might be a difficult concept to grasp for some of you at this time.

after 20 more years of reading newspapers and watching the news where this kind of shit happens for real, you may begin to understand why it doesnt seem necessary to put it in films.

I know there are a number of people out there who feel nothing is sacred, nothing is taboo.
I hope for future society's sake this changes eventually.

A couple of weeks ago I saw the Ring Two. While I didn't care much for the movie, the young boy in the film, did have a sinister look most of the film, (very pale, dark circles under the eyes, that sort of stuff). I think this type of character is very effective for the creep factor. The young boy in Pet Semetary is really creepy when he comes back too. If the demise is implied, not graphic/gorey then I think it can be effective.

Adults die violent deaths too, you know. My point is, if you're going to put kids in horror movies and make them unvulnerable, then you are an idiot.

would you say that all those directors who have worked on rape movies enjoy seeing rape scenes?

who said invulnerable ?
sure they die .. i believe the thread said 'dying violent deaths'
implying 'why arent kids seen graphically killed onscreen' ?

i gave you the same answer you'd get from people in the industry.
very few people want to film that. And very few people want to see it..

the ones that do should seek help.