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Sculpt 05-03-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by metternich1815 (Post 968486)
I sent a ranked list then too...lol.

LOL! Well, I think everyone does, more or less, as a way of narrowing it down, especially the last 5 or so, ya got to start ranking them.

_____V_____ 05-06-2014 07:22 AM

Still awaiting more entries.

Hope to get at least 20 in before I start the compilation work, which means minimum 7 more.

_____V_____ 05-10-2014 08:53 PM

A request to all those still in the process of making their lists and/or interested in the project but haven't started on their lists yet - if you can submit them to me by the 20th of this month, we can finalise the 100 by month-end.

_____V_____ 05-15-2014 05:34 AM

We are still at 13 entries so far. Those who have sent in their lists are:

metternich1815,
The Villain,
Fearonsarms,
natedog722,
Sculpt,
realdealblues,
newb,
Despare,
totem,
hammerfan,
Straker,
roshiq and
myself.

Still waiting on Elvis_Christ and a few other regulars to chip in with their top 20s before I begin compiling.

Let's hope we get to 20 entries by the 20th.

_____V_____ 05-19-2014 09:36 AM

Last date for submission of entries is tomorrow.

I have started the compilation. We have 179 nominated films, and the ones with the most number of nominations (5) are:

Casablanca,
Raiders of the Lost Ark,
Schindler's List,
Star Wars, &
The Wizard of Oz.

_____V_____ 05-21-2014 10:04 AM

Finalising all compilation entries by this weekend. Expect the Master List for debate by Saturday.

Straker 05-21-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 969833)
Last date for submission of entries is tomorrow.

I have started the compilation. We have 179 nominated films, and the ones with the most number of nominations (5) are:

Casablanca,
Raiders of the Lost Ark,
Schindler's List,
Star Wars, &
The Wizard of Oz.

I'm pretty sure none of those movies made my top 20. :danger:

Sculpt 05-21-2014 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 969833)
Last date for submission of entries is tomorrow.

I have started the compilation. We have 179 nominated films, and the ones with the most number of nominations (5) are:

Casablanca,
Raiders of the Lost Ark,
Schindler's List,
Star Wars, &
The Wizard of Oz.

179 is a good number of films, both in many agreements and different films.

13 entries and 20 each equals a possible 260 different films. I'm not a probability expert, but if everyone had the same 10, and 10 different, that would equal 140 films. And we have 179 films, so that's about the equivalent of everyone having about 7 of the same films (which would total 176 films)

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Originally Posted by Straker (Post 970017)
I'm pretty sure none of those movies made my top 20. :danger:

LOL! You sir, are a trailblazer. Or is it out-of-touch? ::big grin::
Me on the other hand, all of those 5 were in my Top 20 list.

roshiq 05-21-2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 969833)

Casablanca,
Raiders of the Lost Ark,
Schindler's List,
Star Wars, &
The Wizard of Oz.

Only one was in my top 20.

Straker 05-22-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 970074)


LOL! You sir, are a trailblazer. Or is it out-of-touch? ::big grin::
Me on the other hand, all of those 5 were in my Top 20 list.

I'm probably just out of touch.... Its already bizarre to me to think that Raiders of the Lost Ark got more votes than say, The Godfather.

_____V_____ 05-22-2014 07:55 AM

Two more entries have come in - from neverending & Giganticface. Thanks to both.

Takes the total tally to 15.

The Villain 05-22-2014 08:23 AM

Realizing now I sent in my list of my personal favorites, and not what I think are the best movies ever made. Should I do another list?

Straker 05-22-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 970125)
Realizing now I sent in my list of my personal favorites, and not what I think are the best movies ever made. Should I do another list?

I don't think it will matter too much, I'm guessing there will be enough room for debate and discussion for you to back or retract votes. I'm sure we've all missed plenty of movies that we might want to back when we see the compiled results. I know I will overlooked a few movies in my list that probably deserve a spot.

My list is pretty much made up of personal favourites anyway, just minus all the horror.

Kandarian Demon 05-22-2014 09:05 AM

I'd be happy to send you a list, although the "deadline" was a few days ago...anyway, I think this is a really good idea, I love movies in general ::cool::

_____V_____ 05-22-2014 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 970125)
Realizing now I sent in my list of my personal favorites, and not what I think are the best movies ever made. Should I do another list?

Up to you, my friend.

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 970133)
I'd be happy to send you a list, although the "deadline" was a few days ago...anyway, I think this is a really good idea, I love movies in general ::cool::

You can still send me your list. I am in the process of compiling so no problems.

Kandarian Demon 05-22-2014 09:39 AM

Ok, I will start working on my list now ::cool:: Just a quick question... would Close Encounters of the Third Kind be a crossover movie? I guess it's scary at first, but the aliens turn out to be friendly in the end, so I'm not sure...

_____V_____ 05-22-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 970144)
Ok, I will start working on my list now ::cool:: Just a quick question... would Close Encounters of the Third Kind be a crossover movie? I guess it's scary at first, but the aliens turn out to be friendly in the end, so I'm not sure...

Sci-Fi/Drama.

The Villain 05-22-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 970137)
Up to you, my friend.

Well i just don't want to mess up the process. I remember there were some issues when we were doing the best of the decade list with people voting for personal favorites over the very best. If it won't affect anything, i'll just leave it

Sculpt 05-22-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Straker (Post 970120)
I'm probably just out of touch.... Its already bizarre to me to think that Raiders of the Lost Ark got more votes than say, The Godfather.

Well, for what it's worth, I enjoyed Raiders far more than The Godfather. It's just personal taste.

_____V_____ 05-23-2014 05:30 AM

16th entry is in - sent by Kandarian Demon.

We should have our fleshed out Master List by tomorrow evening.

Giganticface 05-23-2014 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 970183)
Well, for what it's worth, I enjoyed Raiders far more than The Godfather. It's just personal taste.

Me too, big time.

Unlike the 100 Years of Horror project, my submission this time is definitely a list of personal favorites, as opposed to greatest movies of all time. Heck, I think I even have Happy Gilmore in there.

The other project, to me at least, was an opportunity for horror fans to use their appreciation and expertise to put together a practically canonized list of the greatest horror movies of all time. For this project, however, at least the way I'm approaching it, our collective expertise doesn't necessarily make us the authority on the greatest movies of all time. That's not to say we couldn't do it, but my suspicion is it will be a bit weighted towards sci-fi, fantasy and action. Something tells me The Sound of Music won't be in the top 20. So I'm approaching this one much more lightly, and probably won't intensely debate any of the choices. (Hopefully that's not the opposite of what V's intent was!)

Straker 05-23-2014 03:11 PM

Well I hope if Happy Gilmore makes its into our top 100 films of all time you all allow me to throw a hissy fit in peace....

Giganticface 05-23-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Straker (Post 970224)
Well I hope if Happy Gilmore makes its into our top 100 films of all time you all allow me to throw a hissy fit in peace....

Heh, I bet you won't have to. :)

Sculpt 05-24-2014 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 970125)
Realizing now I sent in my list of my personal favorites, and not what I think are the best movies ever made.
...
I remember there were some issues when we were doing the best of the decade list with people voting for personal favorites over the very best. If it won't affect anything, i'll just leave it

I think most of us have personal favorites that maybe favs largely for reasons other than an overall film excellence. But I think most all of the time everyone's favorites are also the very best films.
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Originally Posted by Giganticface (Post 970207)
Me too, big time.

Unlike the 100 Years of Horror project, my submission this time is definitely a list of personal favorites, as opposed to greatest movies of all time. Heck, I think I even have Happy Gilmore in there.

The other project, to me at least, was an opportunity for horror fans to use their appreciation and expertise to put together a practically canonized list of the greatest horror movies of all time. For this project, however, at least the way I'm approaching it, our collective expertise doesn't necessarily make us the authority on the greatest movies of all time. That's not to say we couldn't do it, but my suspicion is it will be a bit weighted towards sci-fi, fantasy and action. Something tells me The Sound of Music won't be in the top 20. So I'm approaching this one much more lightly, and probably won't intensely debate any of the choices. (Hopefully that's not the opposite of what V's intent was!)

I think you're right, knowing this group, especially from the Top Horror Films from Each Decade selection process, we could tilt towards Sci-fi, Fantasy and Action, as compared to AFI, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. And knowing this group, with 15 critics electing the list, making it highly valid, current 2013, and well represented.

neverending 05-24-2014 01:17 AM

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But I think most all of the time everyone's favorites are also the very best films.
I have to disagree. People like a lot of terrible movies, and will argue the hell out of why they are great.

The Villain 05-24-2014 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Straker (Post 970224)
Well I hope if Happy Gilmore makes its into our top 100 films of all time you all allow me to throw a hissy fit in peace....

If Happy Gilmore gets in feel free to throw a very public hissy fit

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 970251)
I have to disagree. People like a lot of terrible movies, and will argue the hell out of why they are great.

yeah there's a big difference to a movie you enjoyed and an actual good movie. Someone could love a terrible movie for whatever reason but it doesn't make it good

Fearonsarms 05-24-2014 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 970261)
yeah there's a big difference to a movie you enjoyed and an actual good movie. Someone could love a terrible movie for whatever reason but it doesn't make it good

I disagree. People have different views on what a good or terrible movie is. It depends on what you want from a movie. What one person considers the ingredients for a good movie, another person may consider those same ingredients make a terrible movie and vice versa. A person's reason for liking a movie is just as valid as another's reason for thinking it terrible

Straker 05-24-2014 06:37 AM

That is often where the debate is with these things.... Trying to convince someone that cheesy action flick they love, that evokes all those wonderful nostalgic feelings isn't top 100 film material is never going to be easy. In fact, its usually impossible.

The Villain 05-24-2014 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fearonsarms (Post 970268)
I disagree. People have different views on what a good or terrible movie is. It depends on what you want from a movie. What one person considers the ingredients for a good movie, another person may consider those same ingredients make a terrible movie and vice versa. A person's reason for liking a movie is just as valid as another's reason for thinking it terrible

All I'm saying is there's a difference between a movie you enjoyed and a great movie. A lot of the time it overlaps but there are plenty of movies that people like that are not great movies. They may be good or enjoyable but not all of them should be included in a list of best movies. There's different criteria for personal favorites and actual great movies

Fearonsarms 05-24-2014 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Straker (Post 970269)
That is often where the debate is with these things.... Trying to convince someone that cheesy action flick they love, that evokes all those wonderful nostalgic feelings isn't top 100 film material is never going to be easy. In fact, its usually impossible.

Yeah if someone likes a cheesy action flick enough for them to argue for it's inclusion that makes an interesting debate. I'm looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 970270)
All I'm saying is there's a difference between a movie you enjoyed and a great movie. A lot of the time it overlaps but there are plenty of movies that people like that are not great movies. They may be good or enjoyable but not all of them should be included in a list of best movies. There's different criteria for personal favorites and actual great movies

I'm just saying that one person's trash is another person's treasure. I don't see how there is different criteria for personal favourites and actual great movies-it's personal opinion either way. V said earlier that if people wanted to pick 20 action movies they could. I personally don't like them but if people wanted to they have the right to choose them if they believe they are the best movies. It's still personal opinion if you think they are the greatest or terrible. Same for any movie.

neverending 05-24-2014 08:18 AM

And this is why we can't have nice things...

totem 05-24-2014 09:08 AM

Personally, I don't see the need for a debate. The concept of "Top" is pretty open-ended all by itself.

If we simply elaborate the name of the list to say HDC's:

Top personal favorites, or
Top drive-in flicks, or
Top date night horrors and so on, we'd all be clearer on the goal without the notion of some definitive 'top' that all of us must agree to.

I mean I'm a fan of Sharknado, but I've flushed things down my toilet that were better made. So 'best' movie? no, but personal picks? you betcha. ::stick out tongue::

_____V_____ 05-24-2014 10:10 AM

The whole objective of this compilation is to show the world out there that we, as passionate horror fans, can also give a definition to non-horror films as well.

All of them may not be the absolute best in their respective genres, and it may not be similar to many other top 100s out there which have THE absolute best films in their lot, but I hope there's enough quality in the final 100 to make the list stand out as one on its own.

The Godfather didn't make the cut in my top list as well. As great as it might be, it wasn't a complete entertainer in my view, IMO. I went for uniqueness/novelty of presentation over the rest - that's why a NeverEnding Story with it's rather special/unique premise and executed idea, and a Back To The Future Part II (not part I, mind you), made it into my top list.

Why Part II, you might ask? Because in my view, this film has the most unique storyline in all of cinema-dom. It's unique, it dares to be different, and it stands out from the rest. Good enough to tick all of my boxes. (besides being a huge teenage-year favorite)

Kandarian Demon 05-24-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 970270)
All I'm saying is there's a difference between a movie you enjoyed and a great movie.

In a way, I agree - BUT who gets to decide who is right and who isn't? I mean... most of us will feel that "I" am right when we judge a movie. Or maybe we feel that our opinions are more valid because we're older than the person that we're debating - or because we've watched a lot of movies, or know a lot about movie history.

But that's not nescesarily true. Just like so-called B movies are sometimes wonderful, and an award-winning "classic" might remind you of the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes".

But when that's said, there is definitely a LONG list of movies that I really enjoy, but wouldn't call great art... I KNOW (or do I?) that they're badly done, but I still enjoy them. I wouldn't nominate such a movie for a list like this.

roshiq 05-24-2014 10:43 AM

In my top 20 there are
1 from 20s,
1 from 40s,
5 from 50s (including 3 Asian movies!)
3 from 60s,
3 from 70s,
3 from 80s,
2 from 90s
&
2 from 00s.

Entertainment value wasn't only factor in my consideration, may be that's why TGF made into my Top 20. No Star Wars, no Casablanca and no Tarantino! ::smile::

Giganticface 05-24-2014 01:51 PM

I think what it boils down to is are we judging art or are we judging entertainment? If we're judging entertainment, then the fact that I've watched Raiders of the Lost Ark like 20 times means something.

Have any of you guys seen the series that originally aired on TCM, and now is on Netflix streaming, called The Story of Film? I was enthralled by the entire series and found it very educational and fun to watch. The guy's approach is definitely an eclectic, artistic point of view, while still capturing all the important milestones and movements over the history of film, including how the ideas made it into the mainstream. Throughout my watching experience, I was adding movies to my IMDb watchlist that I now felt I needed to see.

The truth is, however, I haven't seen most of those films, and even if I did, as great as they are, I might not vote for them in this list. For me at least, determining the "greatness" of a film is for someone else to decide -- probably even some on this forum... I know Straker, ferretchucker, neverending and others have proven to have a deep appreciation and knowledge of film as an art form. Me, I'll mostly just tell you why I liked or didn't like it (which, frankly is more than some folks do when they reply to someone's review with nothing more than "That movie was crap"). I'm not saying I'm incapable of insight, just that the insight is based on enjoyment rather than academics.

For horror lists, however, I feel it's our duty to do the job like a bunch of horror freaks should. :) The 100 Years of Horror list was our opportunity to capture the most appreciated and influential films in horror history, from the perspective of folks who appreciate them the most, and we did an awesome job of it. People will come to this site for the sole purpose of learning about that. They won't come here to learn about film in general. That doesn't mean we can't have fun building the list.

neverending 05-24-2014 03:41 PM

Can we not enjoy a film because of its artistry? The Godfather is a film that people here keep pointing out as a great film they don't enjoy. I enjoyed the hell out of that movie and have rewatched it many times. Scorcese is a true artist whose work astounds me. Of course I enjoy being challenged, educated and enlightened by art. I keep getting reminded time and again that many people don't care for that. They just want to see things explode.

Kandarian Demon 05-24-2014 04:42 PM

You could have the best cook in the world prepare a meal for you with all the ingredients that you hate the most, but your tastebuds still wouldn't like it. This wouldn't mean that you have "no idea what good food is", neither would it mean that the cook didn't do a perfect job. There's nothing wrong with the ingredients either, and the guy at the table next to you isn't wrong for enjoying the same meal.

The same can be said about movies, or any other type of art.

Straker 05-24-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 970301)
. Of course I enjoy being challenged, educated and enlightened by art.

This for me is the essence of what elevates a movie from 'something I have fun watching' to a great movie.

neverending 05-24-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 970303)
You could have the best cook in the world prepare a meal for you with all the ingredients that you hate the most, but your tastebuds still wouldn't like it. This wouldn't mean that you have "no idea what good food is", neither would it mean that the cook didn't do a perfect job. There's nothing wrong with the ingredients either, and the guy at the table next to you isn't wrong for enjoying the same meal.

The same can be said about movies, or any other type of art.


Sure, people can SAY anything. ::sad::


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