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LongingLoner 10-05-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 957933)
Ok. first off what is 'Torture porn' ? Do you mean insex or some other BDSM stuff? Is this bad?

I can't see how you can't think RZ's first 2 film are outstanding. He created a bunch of amazing characters and dialogue that we will be quoting for years.
I do think his films have faults but with regard to the 2 I mention they their weak points are neglect able to the over all product.

Torture porn....Saw(cliche) , Movies with constant scenes similar to the revenge scenes in I Spit On Your Grave and containing no worthy story.

Ice Pik 10-06-2013 05:12 AM

Yea, That's most of them. I've had my kids bikes stolen a lot so I always try to catch someone who's doing it. 3 weeks ago someone stole my 4 yr old's plastic basketball goal from the yard. I had his sitting next to a normal one so when I play he can too.

Kandarian Demon 10-06-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelMyers (Post 957947)
Well what about this: you are sitting in a room and hear a strange noise coming from directly OUTside your house. Do you investigate.

I think it would depend on the circumstances what you would do in that situation. You don't get the police to come just by saying "I heard a noise"... and you can't just ignore it either if you think you might be threatened. So what do you do... you try to figure out where the sound is coming from. What I WOULDN'T do would be to open the door, leave the house with the door wide open and yell "HELLO!"... as it's been seen countless times in horror movies.

Edit: One night someone was messing with the lock in the door of my apartment, and although I did have my phone in my hand, ready to dial the police, I banged on the door and yelled "I've called the police!"... in case the guy thought I wasn't home and I could scare him off like that... which I did. It turned out to be a neighbour who had mistaken my door for his own, but he did panic and run out of the building, losing his key on the floor on his way out so he couldn't get back in LOL!

MichaelMyers 10-06-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon (Post 957978)
I think it would depend on the circumstances what you would do in that situation. You don't get the police to come just by saying "I heard a noise"... and you can't just ignore it either if you think you might be threatened. So what do you do... you try to figure out where the sound is coming from. What I WOULDN'T do would be to open the door, leave the house with the door wide open and yell "HELLO!"... as it's been seen countless times in horror movies.

Yes, no sense in being bold and foolhardy. Sneak outside and feel the rush of the beast or ghoul lying in wait in the bush. We can all use some excitement in our lives!

My solution is I have filled a deep moat outside my castle with live gators.

Anthropophagus 10-07-2013 05:41 AM

Trashy crap mashups like Sharknado,or Octoshark,the double headed shark versus the three headed goldfish,Squid shark.........you get my drift.They are all childishly brain numbingly cheap and have no place in horror or any other medium for that matter.

They have no merit whatsoever,they are not funny or `worth a night in with a few tinnies`.To the producers of such crap..............Stop making them and fecking grow up.

staceybethh 10-07-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelMyers (Post 957981)
Yes, no sense in being bold and foolhardy. Sneak outside and feel the rush of the beast or ghoul lying in wait in the bush. We can all use some excitement in our lives!

My solution is I have filled a deep moat outside my castle with live gators.

If I have to do any investigating of an unknown noise I'll just have to walk out with my machete. Turn the tables on 'em haha

Ice Pik 10-07-2013 01:31 PM

I heard some noise in my old apartment one time while taking a shower, I got out and grabbed my pistol (which at the time I was out of bullets) and started cocking it really loud and went searching around. There was nothing but after all said and done I stood there like wtf would I really do with an unloaded gun?

Kandarian Demon 10-08-2013 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ice Pik (Post 958078)
I heard some noise in my old apartment one time while taking a shower, I got out and grabbed my pistol (which at the time I was out of bullets) and started cocking it really loud and went searching around. There was nothing but after all said and done I stood there like wtf would I really do with an unloaded gun?

Yeah... you don't get time to think, you just react...

Ferox13 10-08-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthropophagus (Post 958037)
Trashy crap mashups like Sharknado,or Octoshark,the double headed shark versus the three headed goldfish,Squid shark.........you get my drift.They are all childishly brain numbingly cheap and have no place in horror or any other medium for that matter.

They have no merit whatsoever,they are not funny or `worth a night in with a few tinnies`.To the producers of such crap..............Stop making them and fecking grow up.

I enjoy some of these films - Megapiranha was especially fun..You could use 'childishly brain numbingly cheap' to discribe a bunch of 'cult' classics like Robot Monster, All of Ed Woods stuff, The Giant Claw, The Killer SHrews - do you hate these too.

Anthropophagus 10-08-2013 09:49 AM

I think when they where made it was all about lack of money but with real ambition,Ed Wood was a dreadful director we know that but he had heart.

The latest craze on these mashups are just dumb,plain and simple.It is simply an excuse to churn out some gibberish in hope that someone will watch them.I dont.

And as long as i have at least one ounce of a brain cell in my head i never will.

Sicknero 10-08-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthropophagus (Post 958129)
I think when they where made it was all about lack of money but with real ambition,Ed Wood was a dreadful director we know that but he had heart.

The latest craze on these mashups are just dumb,plain and simple.It is simply an excuse to churn out some gibberish in hope that someone will watch them.I dont.

And as long as i have at least one ounce of a brain cell in my head i never will.

Dumb, plain and simple is exactly what some of us like sometimes and a lot of people do watch them. And they're just a huge piss take as well, nobody is forced to watch them.

Anthropophagus 10-09-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sicknero (Post 958132)
Dumb, plain and simple is exactly what some of us like sometimes and a lot of people do watch them. And they're just a huge piss take as well, nobody is forced to watch them.

Yes i know that,the same as nobody forces me to watch the X-Factor or watch those fecking Kardasians and all the other bollocks on tv,but some people do.I would rather eat my own face.

If i want childish crap i will put Sesame street on.

Berserker 10-12-2013 10:36 PM

Shakey camera movies. As mentioned already, stuff like found footage, and entire movies being filmed through someone's camera lens. It's not that it's entirely that bad; it has its charms. But there's just too much of it out there, and frankly, I don't find convulsing images you can't see and incessant screaming all that scary. It's just really annoying.
Worse part of those types of movies though, is that it's really limited when it comes to the realism factor. If I was being munched to death by a zombie, I probably would have stopped filming long ago.

Singing kids. A lot of horror movies often have some background music that has kids singing softly in a creepy, depressing manner. Again, nothing wrong with this, but it's been done to death. I suppose when it fits the bill, I can't complain, if kids, or childhood is a root theme...but eh. Shut up, you damn kids.

Blind death scenes. I hate it when a screen cuts off right as a death blow is about to land, and we're treated to a picture of the moon as the victim screams away in agony. Especially in slasher movies.

Rich people. Why is everyone in horror movies always so rich? Budding, struggling college students always have huge, fancy apartments with the latest technology. That's not how it works in real life.

Bastion1023 10-12-2013 11:12 PM

Sudden volume blasts to get a pointless jump scare.

Overused violence and gore that does not propel the story.

Defining monsters and bad guys too well makes them not scary anymore.

Quick cuts and shaky cameras. I am watching a movie, I want to see it.

Mashup monsters like the current rage on sci-fi/syfy.

anicat 10-13-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bastion1023 (Post 958358)

Mashup monsters like the current rage on sci-fi/syfy.

Not to bum ya out, but have you seen the latest? Sequel to "Sharknado", I guess: "Avalanche Shark" OMG this a sign we are all doomed, the Apocalypse is nigh. Shoot me now. :eek: :p

Sicknero 10-13-2013 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by anicat (Post 958367)
Not to bum ya out, but have you seen the latest? Sequel to "Sharknado", I guess: "Avalanche Shark" OMG this a sign we are all doomed, the Apocalypse is nigh. Shoot me now. :eek: :p

Looks great, thanks for the heads up :D

Ferox13 10-13-2013 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bastion1023 (Post 958358)
Overused violence and gore that does not propel the story.

Burns Evil Dead and Brain Dead DVDs.

Kandarian Demon 10-13-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 958372)
Burns Evil Dead and Brain Dead DVDs.

I would say that both Evil Dead and Brain Dead have stories, and that the gore is an important ingredient. You can definitely have ridiculous amounts of gore and still tell a good story.

Jack C 10-14-2013 06:31 AM

  • Remakes
  • Handheld cameras
  • The spooky girl from The Grudge being the default ghost for every unimaginative filmmaker out there
  • Empty, unlikable characters but hey look at all the CGI - isn't this a cool movie?!?!

Kandarian Demon 10-14-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack C (Post 958416)
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The spooky girl from The Grudge being the default ghost for every unimaginative filmmaker out there

YES!! I totally agree with this. The Grudge was a great movie, I loved it, still do... BUT I am SOOO sick and tired of seeing that same ghost in every single paranormal horror movie, and for the most part I don't even think it's scary. The Grudge worked because of the story, that ghost was scary IN that movie because of the story... but on it's own, a longhaired girl in a nightgown is just not scary.

Berserker 10-16-2013 12:53 PM

I also agree with this, and I get tired of that cue being taken. Too often now you have disheveled schoolgirls having a seizure in horror movies. Evil Dead had it, it's starting to lose its appeal.

Geordie9 10-20-2013 12:47 PM

im tired of unworthy remakes of classic films!!

slaughterhouse753 10-25-2013 04:53 PM

Remakes...

Sicknero 10-26-2013 01:04 AM

I see remakes like I do cover versions in music ... some are great, some are lousy. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Barker's going to do with Hellraiser.

Me, I'm tired of superlatives in marketing ... "This is the most frightening/shocking/unexpected/scary/disturbing/ etc etc blah f'ing blah movie you will ever see!"

shadyJ 10-26-2013 06:18 PM

Once in a blue moon a remake can surpass the original. Some examples in horror:
The Blob, The Fly, The Thing, Dracula, Piranha. But, of course, there are about a dozen failures for every success.

Kandarian Demon 10-27-2013 04:00 AM

I don't mind remakes, some of them are good, and some even better than the originals... what I have a problem with is that almost every single horror movie these days is a remake.

But, to be fair, it's getting pretty hard to come up with a completely original story line. The horror universe has pretty much been explored in any thinkable way, and so any attempt of making an original horror movie will be met with complaints about how it's ripping off the Exorcist or how it's a weak immitation of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre... and definitely the usual "in the OLD days, they knew how make REAL horror movies!". So what do they do instead? They remake the old classics, since there is no competing with them anyway. Us horror fans are hard critics, and maybe in a way, we're actually getting what we asked for.

TheFext 10-28-2013 12:11 PM

I'm tired of Haunted House movies in modern horror. It's been done waaaaay to many times since like 2005. Good slashers are basiclly gone by now. I can't name one slasher that I consider a modern day classic since like 2009.

Also as many have said CGI

ChronoGrl 10-29-2013 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sicknero (Post 959052)
I see remakes like I do cover versions in music ... some a great, some are lousy. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Barker's going to do with Hellraiser.

Good metaphor. Totally agree.

As for me, I'm a little burned out on the zombie genre.

Sicknero 10-29-2013 11:53 AM

Music ... sure there's some fantastic music in horror movies and it often adds a lot to a film, but I've seen a couple of movies lately where the impact of some potentially nasty and disturbing sequences has been ruined by OTT music and sfx.

horrorwimp 10-29-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFext (Post 959159)
I'm tired of Haunted House movies in modern horror. It's been done waaaaay to many times since like 2005. Good slashers are basiclly gone by now. I can't name one slasher that I consider a modern day classic since like 2009.

Also as many have said CGI

While I agree that Haunted Houses have been played out, I think the problem isn't so much the location, but more of the fact that people think the location is enough to carry an entire film and make it scary.

So many movies think placing a horror story in a quintessentially scary location is enough to make a horror film, but often the place becomes the only thing scary about it. When place/atmosphere is used right, a movie can really scare the shit out of me.

I guess i'd like to see more well-thought out location-horror as opposed to the shitty ones we've been getting for the past decade.

Sicknero 10-29-2013 12:36 PM

That's a really good point, and I guess it applies to a lot of things as well as location.

Perhaps the problem with unoriginal films these days is not so much the unoriginality itself but the tendency to rely on some plot component to be enough in itself to carry a film. Thus a film can still be great regardless of how unoriginal the story, if it's "done right".

horrorwimp 10-29-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sicknero (Post 959213)
That's a really good point, and I guess it applies to a lot of things as well as location.

Perhaps the problem with unoriginal films these days is not so much the unoriginality itself but the tendency to rely on some plot component to be enough in itself to carry a film. Thus a film can still be great regardless of how unoriginal the story, if it's "done right".

I agree, I feel like dismissing horror plot components simply because they've been overdone kind of disrespects the genre itself. Things like slashers, haunted houses, and fear have become horror mainstays for a reason. The only problem is how they're used... It would be great to have a cliché done right, but too many people use only the clichés.

Locations are usually exploited even more so, since their size and layout usually give filmmakers a lot more leg room to be narratively lazy.

Kandarian Demon 10-29-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFext (Post 959159)
I'm tired of Haunted House movies in modern horror. It's been done waaaaay to many times since like 2005. Good slashers are basiclly gone by now. I can't name one slasher that I consider a modern day classic since like 2009.

Hmm, I think the haunted house genre is very neglected... but I do agree with you about slasher movies. I think maybe the torture porn genre is what really killed the slasher.

Imagine what Halloween would have been like if there had to be guts flying in every direction every minute, and they had to make space for long torture scenes. There would be no time left to tell the story, to get to know the characters or to build up the tension... you know, all the stuff that they don't give a damn about anymore when they make movies. I think it would be very difficult to do a modern slasher.

ferretchucker 10-30-2013 08:15 AM

This doesn't so much apply to horror as general supernatural themed things, but it's this need recently to make up new terms for monsters e.g. "lycans" in Underworld. If it's a werewolf, call it a werewolf. Same goes for The Walking Dead, which uses just about every term for zombies but zombies. I feel like it's a lazy attempt to try and carve their own notch in the mythos.

In fact, an extension of this is the lack of real zombies. Now they're always "infected" with something. This is one of the reasons I think Romero's films worked so well - they say who cares why they're zombies, just RUN FROM THE FUCKING ZOMBIES!

Then again...he calls them the living dead. Fuck.

horrorwimp 10-30-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 959264)

In fact, an extension of this is the lack of real zombies. Now they're always "infected" with something. This is one of the reasons I think Romero's films worked so well - they say who cares why they're zombies, just RUN FROM THE FUCKING ZOMBIES!

Then again...he calls them the living dead. Fuck.

Hahaha this is so true! However, I think the rise of "infected" zombies stems from the real world fears of chemical warfare/industrialization/climate/etc. and humans' tendency to fear and mythologize things they don't really understand. While chemical warfare and plague are still real threats, I think zombie films inspired by these fears are just an expression of society's overall hysteria. It's interesting, but it sucks because all the films start using the same generic theme and message. Zombies have become a metaphor for humanity over and over and over again... It's not bad, just most of the films haven't been very good :/

Alucard the Risen 10-31-2013 03:33 PM

Remakes and found-footage, give it a damned rest...

Alucard the Risen 10-31-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Regansvomit (Post 956712)
Seeing beautiful people regardless of their age. I want to see normal looking people that I can relate to. I want them to come across as intelligent.

Films are too predictable and too filtered now. I want the religious and political world to be in an uproar when a new film is released.

We need less music. When there is silence aside from the ambience of the seen, the viewer can use their own imagination better.

I agree on the part about raising hell, all that bible-thumping rage makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, ;)

Alucard the Risen 10-31-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Berserker (Post 958354)
Shakey camera movies. As mentioned already, stuff like found footage, and entire movies being filmed through someone's camera lens. It's not that it's entirely that bad; it has its charms. But there's just too much of it out there, and frankly, I don't find convulsing images you can't see and incessant screaming all that scary. It's just really annoying.
Worse part of those types of movies though, is that it's really limited when it comes to the realism factor. If I was being munched to death by a zombie, I probably would have stopped filming long ago.

Singing kids. A lot of horror movies often have some background music that has kids singing softly in a creepy, depressing manner. Again, nothing wrong with this, but it's been done to death. I suppose when it fits the bill, I can't complain, if kids, or childhood is a root theme...but eh. Shut up, you damn kids.

Blind death scenes. I hate it when a screen cuts off right as a death blow is about to land, and we're treated to a picture of the moon as the victim screams away in agony. Especially in slasher movies.

Rich people. Why is everyone in horror movies always so rich? Budding, struggling college students always have huge, fancy apartments with the latest technology. That's not how it works in real life.

As for shaking cameras, still haven't found one worse than The Amittyville Haunting...

Sicknero 11-01-2013 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by horrorwimp (Post 959287)
Hahaha this is so true! However, I think the rise of "infected" zombies stems from the real world fears of chemical warfare/industrialization/climate/etc. and humans' tendency to fear and mythologize things they don't really understand. While chemical warfare and plague are still real threats, I think zombie films inspired by these fears are just an expression of society's overall hysteria. It's interesting, but it sucks because all the films start using the same generic theme and message. Zombies have become a metaphor for humanity over and over and over again... It's not bad, just most of the films haven't been very good :/

I think all cinema, in fact all fiction, is a metaphor for various aspects of the human experience. That's the whole point of it after all.

The other point ... personally I enjoy it when a story tries to go beyond "feck that's horrible let's run away" and comes up with theories about why zombies/werewolves/vampires/cannibals/assorted monsters/slashers etc etc exist. Obviously it isn't always done well, but I like a thinking movie myself.

I've been on a horror binge this month, and you know what I'm really glad to see the back of? That ridiculous metallic "Schhhhwing!" sound effect that seemed to be the stock sound effect for stabbing/slashing for years.

Kandarian Demon 11-01-2013 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sicknero (Post 959416)
I've been on a horror binge this month, and you know what I'm really glad to see the back of? That ridiculous metallic "Schhhhwing!" sound effect that seemed to be the stock sound effect for stabbing/slashing for years.

Hahaha, I had forgotten about that, but it's true :D

Another thing I'm tired of: annoying, drunk, rude, dumb teenagers/young people in pretty much every horror movie. Yes, I know... it's a classic element of horror, but variety would be nice!


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