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novakru 12-16-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by becky.horror (Post 768662)
Let me see;

Lamotrigine - mood stabiliser
venlafaxine - SSNRI antidepressent
Diazepam - valium, sedative
Clonazepam - sedative and moods
Quetiapine - antipsychotic
Zoplicone - sedative for insomnia
Oh and alot of weed, but not skunk! That shit has given pot a bad name!

And to Novakru i was on Abilify about 2yrs ago when it 1st came out. Ment to be very useful in bipolars but unfortinatly didnt work 4 me.

If ANY1 has any pharmacutical questions il be happy to try and answer them. Only 29 but have spent many years reading up on loads of meds.:)


How does the Lamotrigine work?
Is it a beta blocker?


I have a very weird metabolism.
Anything that works for the masses, is garrunteed to not work for me.
I went searching last night for something that sounded up my alley and nothing looked good...if the the first side effect is headache...I can cross that one off cause I get migraines at the drop of a hat.
I think maybe I'll go for some holistic stuff next though.


I have been seriously considering going in for the tests to do Catalysis.
And of course your average everyday colonic and a 2 week colon cleanse.

missmacabre 12-16-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by novakru (Post 768666)
Herbals really work for you??
I was a big believer in all that, but they never worked for me.
I used to take sublingual Vit.B12 for years and it just didn't work , not once.
I tried melatonin
Colloidal silver
St. John's wort
etc
etc
I love fresh herbals and they work in my bath, but never orallly.

You kids must have a different metabolism...

Yeah I have never been a fan of medication. I used to dump bottles of cough syrup down the drain because they made me feel dizzy and my mom would get pissed. I just don't like the idea of having all that shit in my body. I don't have enough vitamins in my diet though, so I need to supplement them.

I also can't take antihistamines because they get me high, so I either suffer and am constantly itchy from allergies to detergents and pollen etc. or find another cure, which was vitamins and they work great.

becky.horror 12-16-2008 05:33 PM

meds
 
Novakru - lamotrigine is actually an anti convulsent, as is clonazepam. Generally people with dysmorphic mood swings are put on anti- cons because they also stabilize moods, often more effectively than say lithium. My Bipolar is type 2 which is rapid cycling of moods often in one day, hyper and agitated one min then severly depressed the next. These moods often occur up to 4-6 times a day unless im medicated. Had it since I was 12.
Meds probably dont work on you like other people (and im exactly the same) for 2 possible reasons.
1. If you are bipolar then your serotonin and noradrenaline levels will be erratic, and at times very low so your levels of dopamine are not released in enough quantity for you to have reactions.
2. Apparantly your brain can also have a high metabolism so it processes drugs alot faster than others.

Sorry bout spelling, hope ive helped

Doc Faustus 12-16-2008 07:04 PM

My bipolar's rapid cycling as well. Sometimes I say awful things, but if I know I'm going to have a bad day, I'm usually ready for it.

ChronoGrl 12-17-2008 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 768605)
I thought we went over this. His the other type of Indian! :rolleyes:

And Chronogrl isn't a tramp! :mad:

I respect you, that means I get to jump ahead of Posher and V in the queue, right?

I'm not sure... I'm not into the whole statutory thing. :p

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Originally Posted by novakru (Post 768607)
She'll be calling you


In about 3 more years

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 768608)
Ah, only 364 more days until i'm legal!

15 is legal where you're from??? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 768657)
I take:
Vitamin D for seasonal depression.
Vitamin C to keep colds away.
Perfect skin a multivitamin for clear skin.
Aller-ease a vitamin to keep my allergy symptoms at bay.
Melatonin to help me sleep.

but do you find that the melatonin gives you really vivid dreams? Sure it makes me drowsy so I fall asleep faster but every time I take it I have the worst, most realistic nightmares.

I should probably take Vitamin D... Or just more Vitamins in general. Do you find they help you? Do you feel a difference?

And in terms of melatonin... The other psycho-meds stuff already gave me really vivid nightmares, so it's hard to tell if it's from them or the melatonin. :o

Sucks to hear that that's how they affect you - vivid dreams can seriously be exhausting.

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Originally Posted by becky.horror (Post 768662)
And to Novakru i was on Abilify about 2yrs ago when it 1st came out. Ment to be very useful in bipolars but unfortinatly didnt work 4 me.

Abilify made me lose my vision (literally and I am not exaggerating) and I couldn't... well, it's hard to explain... I couldn't function. This was four years ago. I find it abhorrent and unethical that they advertise it on TV.

ferretchucker 12-17-2008 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 768763)
15 is legal where you're from??? :confused:

16. I turned 15 on Monday. DUH! :p

ChronoGrl 12-17-2008 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 768777)
16. I turned 15 on Monday. DUH! :p

STILL illegal in most American States!

English backwoods bumpkin! :p

becky.horror 12-17-2008 10:26 AM

Nuts
 
Yeah abilify made it impossible to sit still or lie down, i also had constant restless legs, pretty horrid but it does work 4 some and it doesnt put on any weight like other anti-psychs.
In UK companies are not allowed to advertise anything pharmacutical by presription anywhere, very strict. So you only here about it through reading up on meds or talking to your doc. I think its awful that those sort of mind altering drugs can be advertised so easily, may as well advertise pot or acid!!

Doc Faustus - interesting to hear from another rapid cycler, and im a complete bitch when not medicated, fortunatly the meds keep it under control but been bad recently so probably gona try electric shock therapy. After that ive exgausted every other avenue! :)

newb 12-17-2008 11:05 AM

holy shit....you people are all fucking loony.I think doctors today are way too quick to prescribe meds.

back in my day if you acted a little crazy....we would burn you at the stake for being a witch.


I don't like to even take aspirin.

bloodrayne 12-17-2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by newb (Post 768802)
I think doctors today are way too quick to prescribe meds.

Today? I've been saying this for 20 years.

The only chemicals I put in my body (or my kids' bodies) are the preservatives in our foods :p

We've all had minimal antibiotics, as a result we have incredibly strong immune systems.

I'll take Advil for migraines, and give the kids Tylenol for a fever (which is rare), but that's it.

Maybe it has something to do with when we grew up, Newb...It seems that everyone started becoming 'imbalanced' about 20 years ago when all of these medications became popular...No one took these things when we were kids...Now everyone has some sort of mental problem?...Just seems odd to me.

newb 12-17-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodrayne (Post 768806)
Today? I've been saying this for 20 years.


Maybe it has something to do with when we grew up, Newb...It seems that everyone started becoming 'imbalanced' about 20 years ago when all of these medications became popular...No one took these things when we were kids...Now everyone has some sort of mental problem?...Just seems odd to me.

I agree 100%

Vodstok 12-17-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodrayne (Post 768806)
Today? I've been saying this for 20 years.

The only chemicals I put in my body (or my kids' bodies) are the preservatives in our foods :p

We've all had minimal antibiotics, as a result we have incredibly strong immune systems.

I'll take Advil for migraines, and give the kids Tylenol for a fever (which is rare), but that's it.

Maybe it has something to do with when we grew up, Newb...It seems that everyone started becoming 'imbalanced' about 20 years ago when all of these medications became popular...No one took these things when we were kids...Now everyone has some sort of mental problem?...Just seems odd to me.

Everyone DOES these days, according to someone. Its the latest "I dotn have to take responsibility for my actions" craze.

Kids a pain in the ass? Dont worry, you arent a bad parent, they Have ADHD!
Depressed during the winter? You're not "human", you have seasonal affective disorder!
Socially akward? dont worry, you arent "shy" or a "Dork", you have Asperger's syndrome!
or Low grade Autism!
Cheating asshole? NO! Sex Addict (not your fault)!

Want more?

novakru 12-17-2008 11:34 AM

Yes Vod
More

Vodstok 12-17-2008 11:45 AM

obese? dont worry, you have a thyroid contition! (Not your fault!)
stupid? "Learning disabled" (a cop out for some people who are just incredibly lazy)
lazy? Coeliac disease! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease)

ChronoGrl 12-17-2008 12:18 PM

I agree - I think that doctors are unethically quick to prescribe medication (especially to kids and teenagers) instead of helping them work through issues. And I think that parents are too damn lazy to seek out other options.

But speaking from pure, personal experience, the meds I am on have helped me, personally, more than I can express. I think that they're right for me right now. Not for the rest of my life, maybe, but right now there is a HUGE improvement over last year.

Not for everyone and I certainly don't advocate for it... But for me, the improvement is so clear.

Vodstok 12-17-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 768818)
I agree - I think that doctors are unethically quick to prescribe medication (especially to kids and teenagers) instead of helping them work through issues.

we ran into somethign similar recently, and there is more to this type of dr behavior. they get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies for pushing their product. Lily has been coughing at night since the spring, so we finally had insurance and got her in for a checkup.

Dr said "Allergies, definitely" and prescribed nasonex. We foundout after a week of giving it to Lily that one of the (possible) side effects is stunted growth, because its a steroid, so needless to say, we freaked out and stopped it immediately 9although it did improve the coughing). So bree called the dr and told her, and the dcotor "I dont believe that, keep her on it". At bree's insistance, we got a referral to an allergy specialist. they did bloodwork, and guess what?


Nasonex wasnt going to do much, because Lily has NO allergies. Hmmm.... The first doctor wasnt even willing to consider other possibilities (and she was highly recommended too, which sucks) she just kept pushing one particular drug...

ferretchucker 12-17-2008 01:08 PM

I don't take anything routinely. I had to have a bottle of medicine to sort out my ears for diving. I got an infection and considering it was a week before I went up in a plane, down in a plane and under water constantly, it was for the best. My grandmother is a distributor for a company called Neways. They are famous for being probably the healthiest stuff in the world. You probably don't believe me, but they are. Check the out, they're worldwide. Can't be bought in shops.

They have things like Cod Liver Oil capsules, but with none of the added heavy metals.
They sell stuff called Noni juice. All natural. ALL.
I used to have very bad excema, but since I use their bathing stuff, i haven't had it for years.

I don't take the tablets anymore, just because I'm lazy and I forget. I use their toiletries though, because they're there and they work.

But anyway, back to the point at hand - GO ON VOD. This is good. Really good.

TwiZted6MurDer6SceNe6 12-17-2008 04:31 PM

Seriquil(bak off u dope fenes)
prozaq
topamax
and currently amoxacilan, i have no doubts that i will be sick until spring. its a back n forth thing between my man and me, and yesterday it went to our friend alex. just a bunch of siklings. :(
hows everyone else doin with fighting off winter flus n what not?

missmacabre 12-17-2008 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 768763)
I should probably take Vitamin D... Or just more Vitamins in general. Do you find they help you? Do you feel a difference?

And in terms of melatonin... The other psycho-meds stuff already gave me really vivid nightmares, so it's hard to tell if it's from them or the melatonin. :o

Sucks to hear that that's how they affect you - vivid dreams can seriously be exhausting.

Yeah, I really do notice a difference in my mood when I take vitamin D. When I don't take it I literally lay in bed all day and don't want to get up because A) it's cold outside of my blankets and B) I feel like there is no point getting up when my day is going to suck anyway. So I take vitamin D in the morning and part way through the day.

Another vitamin that I really notice a difference with is omega-3. I feel less anxious and my attention span is increased 10 fold. Makes lectures infinitely easier.

novakru 12-17-2008 07:37 PM

Hey
Getting a virus early in the season will do your little red and white cell army a world of good.
You are lucky enough to build RESISTANCE.
Build up the wall to fight the REALLY bad shit coming down the road.
Don't be so quick to grab the antibiotics.
You will get better with rest and lots of water....even if it takes 2 weeks of being home- better than the common cold killing you in 10 years, eh?







oh fuck, I don't really care
too many damn people already, and most of them suck

ManchestrMorgue 12-18-2008 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by novakru (Post 768879)
Hey
Getting a virus early in the season will do your little red and white cell army a world of good.
You are lucky enough to build RESISTANCE.
Build up the wall to fight the REALLY bad shit coming down the road.
Don't be so quick to grab the antibiotics.
You will get better with rest and lots of water....even if it takes 2 weeks of being home- better than the common cold killing you in 10 years, eh?

And in this situation, antibiotics will make not one bit of difference to the outcome. They do nothing against viruses.

Problem is, people tend to demand a pill when they visit a doctor, otherwise they haven't gotten their money's worth. When people go to a doctor, and he says "It's just a virus, take some paracetamol for the fever, keep the fluids up, etc" people feel cheated. So doctors prescribe antibiotics. And people get better. Which they would have anyway, had they taken nothing. But this reinforces the "need" for antibiotics next time. So the cycle continues....

becky.horror 12-18-2008 02:46 AM

meds
 
I do actually agree with the whole over medicating thing 'mothers little helper', but there have been many manic depressives and scizos for hundreds of years, usually they either wouldnt survive or were locked away.

Secondly its only in the last 30yrs that we have begun to understand psychology, nature and nurture, and distinguishing the actions of different chemicals in the brain, hence more people being diagnosed and medicated. Not to mention that 100yrs ago poorer people didnt live past 45-50yrs, so we ve got an increased population as well.

I myself started getting ill when i was 3yrs old (nothing to do with my parents!), no one could understand it until i became very severe at the age of 12. Theres always the genetic arguement as well as my grandfather killed himself due to the same illness - he wasnt medicated.

Since then ive had 7 different psychiatrists, 9 different types of different psychologists and different therapists etc. There are people out there who desperatly need meds, and there are those that just need an excuse for being a bit down, or their kids thick therefore they must have ADAH.

I welcome any suggestions that would help me rid myself of my 25yrs of mental illness!:)

ferretchucker 12-18-2008 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ManchestrMorgue (Post 768937)
And in this situation, antibiotics will make not one bit of difference to the outcome. They do nothing against viruses.

Problem is, people tend to demand a pill when they visit a doctor, otherwise they haven't gotten their money's worth. When people go to a doctor, and he says "It's just a virus, take some paracetamol for the fever, keep the fluids up, etc" people feel cheated. So doctors prescribe antibiotics. And people get better. Which they would have anyway, had they taken nothing. But this reinforces the "need" for antibiotics next time. So the cycle continues....

Which is why Britain's NHS works.

becky.horror 12-18-2008 03:24 PM

Oh when will the madness end!!

Internets made it worse, people are self prescribing themselves some seriously strong drugs that are often addictive. Its turning into The Brave New World.:)

GorePhobia 12-18-2008 03:56 PM

I am not on anything right now but when my back acts up badly and I have the extra money I try and get some percacets or pain killers for the pain but Christmas + Bad Economy + Bad Job Market = continual back pain.

Just gotta deal.

chaibill 12-18-2008 03:58 PM

Posher anxiety i think it it just called high school you should get your self off that as fast as possible. try seeing a Chiropractor thats what i do.

no drugs occasional beer or spirit or wine

bloody_ribcut 12-18-2008 04:52 PM

beer and weed, great pleasure.

Spallalala 12-18-2008 06:24 PM

When im flu/cold sick I usually deal with it at home, ginger, lemon, honey, garlic, and lotsa good stuff. Cheebs usually makes me a crazy drink that would knock anything outta ya haha. I hate antibiotics. I don't even like the dr's ha. But if im really sick I will get some antibiotics into me just to help it along. I usually don't have to bother just as long as cheebs isn't sick then im good, if he gets sick then my colds and stuff last heaps longer cos he gives it back to me 10x worse.

For travel sickness I have some ginger tablets.

Anxiety and depression, I refuse to take any more meds for this sorta shit, they help of course but they also cost too much considering you gotta take em for long periods of time and theres the whole addiction thing too. So for me I have some breathing techniques ( which help me slow me heart rate down too) and weed haha. I find weed to be the best medication of anything I have tried. It keeps me calm, makes me get off my ass and do some cleaning to haha. Hasn't made my depression or anxiety worse. If anything its made it heaps better.

For my back pain which I get often its usually laying down and some advil and weed.

I love it as natural and I can get it basically.

Psycom5k 12-18-2008 10:23 PM

WEED


and uhhh.... buproprion and ultram er.

becky.horror 12-19-2008 05:14 PM

Yes despite being on a shit load of meds for my 'mental illness' (i find it amusing when its called that) weed has been a long standing and extremely effective illegal med. Unfortunatly in UK (dont know bout elsewhere) they have now genetically enhanced and cross bred so much so that we have trouble getting anything but skunk which is about 60% stronger (and not natural) than normal weed. It causes cannibis psychosis and has given pot a bad name, so i stick to decent normal weed.:)

TwiZted6MurDer6SceNe6 12-19-2008 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bloody_ribcut (Post 769079)
beer and weed, great pleasure.

I simply agree.

hacelikewhoa 12-19-2008 10:03 PM

I think weed is trashy IMO. It's disgusting to see that just about everyone in ohio does drugs except for me and my boyfriend. EVERYONE in my family does it, ALL OF MY FRIENDS DO, everyone I went to school with...yuck. It's turned everyone I've known into an idiot and a loser. They don't have lives, they just get high. It stinks, it tastes gross, it makes you stupid, apathetic.. I used to do it until I realized that I was hurting someone and I never did it again, and I'm glad. With the economy being bad and people losing jobs, I think this is a terrible time for people to be stoned. What if you lose your job? Just about every job now a days makes you take a drug test. At least around here.

Spallalala 12-19-2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hacelikewhoa (Post 769287)
I think weed is trashy IMO. It's disgusting to see that just about everyone in ohio does drugs except for me and my boyfriend. EVERYONE in my family does it, ALL OF MY FRIENDS DO, everyone I went to school with...yuck. It's turned everyone I've known into an idiot and a loser. They don't have lives, they just get high. It stinks, it tastes gross, it makes you stupid, apathetic.. I used to do it until I realized that I was hurting someone and I never did it again, and I'm glad. With the economy being bad and people losing jobs, I think this is a terrible time for people to be stoned. What if you lose your job? Just about every job now a days makes you take a drug test. At least around here.

I gotta question for you... Do you drink? Cos if you do then you have no right to make comments on weed. Doesn't matter how you look at it drinking produces far worse results.

Don't think that all other stoners are like your friends/family. Some people can actually get of their ass and do something. If you moderate you don't turn into an idiot or a lifeless loser.
Im guessing your friends are cigarette smokers too right? no wonder they stink.

Economy has nothing to do with it.

Honestly to me you sound like a pretty biased person. You compare your own experiences and convince yourself that everyone is the same.

Angelakillsluts 12-20-2008 04:50 AM

WoW :o

I spend almost as much time in Azeroth as I do in the real world most weekends.

amc420vt 12-20-2008 05:16 AM

a daily dose of marijuana.
kolonapin for anxiety.
and then alittle more mary-j
and beer.

amc420vt 12-20-2008 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hacelikewhoa (Post 769287)
I think weed is trashy IMO. It's disgusting to see that just about everyone in ohio does drugs except for me and my boyfriend. EVERYONE in my family does it, ALL OF MY FRIENDS DO, everyone I went to school with...yuck. It's turned everyone I've known into an idiot and a loser. They don't have lives, they just get high. It stinks, it tastes gross, it makes you stupid, apathetic.. I used to do it until I realized that I was hurting someone and I never did it again, and I'm glad. With the economy being bad and people losing jobs, I think this is a terrible time for people to be stoned. What if you lose your job? Just about every job now a days makes you take a drug test. At least around here.

maybe everyone you know that smokes is just some lazy piece of shit. just because people smoke pot doesn't mean their a loser, or 'stupid'. i smoke pot daily, i have a good job, and i am still capable of doing things. i have an apt. bills i pay for, pets i take care of, i graduated school. i have a life. and all my friends who smoke pot have lives.
people like you piss me off. dont be so judgemental. there are alot worse drugs out there then pot.

ChronoGrl 12-20-2008 05:42 AM

The issue I find with pot isn't in the drug itself, it's the use. If people are capable of using it responsibly (i.e. little bit every once in a while to have a nice high), then I have no problem with people doing it. If people choose to use it in excess in a way that it affects their jobs, lives, and loved ones, well it's not the drug that's the problem, it's the person. And if that person is incapable of enjoying weed in a responsible way, then maybe it's time that that person stop.

Just like drinking or any other substance, it's about doing it responsibly, not cutting it off entirely.

urgeok2 12-20-2008 06:49 AM

personally - and i'm not sure why - the idea of getting high or drunk - even slightly - is a big turn off for me..

if i want to relax - i just relax....

i enjoy certain drinks and will have a few a year .. i just dont like not feeling myself. this has become more acute in the last 10 years or so.


maybe its a control thing - i dunno..

but - as mentioned above - anything in excess is bad .. absolutely anything at all.

the key to a successful life is balance.

everything is about balance.

missmacabre 12-20-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelakillsluts (Post 769316)
WoW :o

I spend almost as much time in Azeroth as I do in the real world most weekends.

haha yess. Realm please? horde or alliance.

becky.horror 12-20-2008 08:28 PM

Biology of Drugs
 
To Hacelikewhoe; I have to say i simply find your remarks uneducated and remarkably simple.

People use drugs for a number of reasons, to say their all lazy and taking a way out is a very strange suggestion. I thought we d got over that after Freud, clearly not. People whether they have problems or not will always look for a mental escape, be it through movies, music, sport or anything that releases a sufficiant amount of dopamine, even smoking. We are just whore mongers waiting for our next hit, be it shopping, music, films, sport, education whatever. Our bodies produce the exact same biological result. That is a dramatic increase of dopamine in our frontal lobs, causing an excess of desire for sex, violence etc.
Just simple yet still understood biology of the brain. We still only understand and convey 16% of our brain matter. That leaves a hell of alot of room to investigate. Certainly beyond any of our capacities, educational or otherwise.


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