I've gotta ask....

Why doesn't Freddy v Jason count as a Nightmare film? (Aside from Nightmare not appearing in the title). If anything, we dump 'A new Nightmare' as being the redheaded stepchild. Freddy v Jason was more of a Nightmare film than that piece of crap.

The only inconsistencies were that Springwood wasn't the exact continuation of its condition in 'Freddy's Dead', but it didn't need to be.

The rest of it was pretty consistent. I defy you to find a series of slasher flicks that could keep the line as constant as Freddy v Jason did with the previous Nightmare flicks. (maybe the Saw films, but those were all made in the span of like 3 years and designed that way.... except for 4).

That "red-headed stepchild" is the second best Nightmate movie to date.

Seriously? :rolleyes:

I understand what Wes Craven was trying to do, but I don't think it worked, and I don't think it was a good idea to change the formula.

Second best? I rank it right there around part 2, which is at the bottom of my list.

I agree with that.

Matter of taste I suppose. But back to my original question, why isn't Freddy v Jason a 'real' nightmare movie? It maintained the story better than part 2 did, and certainly was a better movie than 2. It also stayed truer to the nature of Springwood than 'Freddy's Dead' ever did.

Because the movie is pretty much about Jason. At least from what I recall it is. Haven't watched it in a while.

It's more about Jason plotwise, but the overall feel/atmosphere is nothing like Friday the 13th - its Nightmare through and through.

I'm with the noobie on this one - its DEFINITELY more of a NOES flick than an F13.

Thanks for the backup The_Return. And although I am a n00b to this forum, I've been a fan of horror flicks since I was a very young kid. As a matter of fact, the first time I ever went to a movie was for my Bro's 11th birthday party (I was 6) and saw a double feature of Aliens and The Fly....

But back to the topic at hand.

I think the movie was more Jason-centric plotwise because Freddy wasn't strong enough to have a real hand in any of the deaths. He was more of the 'engineer' as it were. In fact, I think it's seen as a Jason centric plot because Jason was the 'Hero' (or anti-hero) and Freddy was most certainly the villain. This was probably the first time that Jason was something other than the bad guy, but Freddy maintained the same role he did throughout the series (except for New Nightmare...... I can't believe people thought that one was the second best flick!!).

Oh man, he's an old timer!

HA! Actually, I can't tell if that was sarcasm or sincerity. I'm 26, but certainly no stranger to horror.

I'm afraid I can;t back you up on that one - I can't see why anyone wouldn't consider New Nightmare to be one of the best.

The series was on a steady downhill slope that cumulated in the utter mess that is Freddy's Dead. New Nightmare gave the series a desperately needed shot of originality, and completely perfected the character of Freddy - took him back to his roots while still retaining some of the elements from later in the series.

I absolutely loved New Nightmare...if it wasn't for the rather lame ending, I'd consider it to be damn near on par with the original.

But that's just it! Serials don't need extreme originality. One of the best parts of these types of series is that the bad guy is always the same, just in different scenarios (with the exception of F13 pt5, which was just bullshit). Freddy is always the same Freddy, Jason is always the same Jason, and Michael Myers was always the same Michael Myers. To change that and try to revamp the theme sometimes doesn't work and can alienate some of the most hardcore fans.

Freddy, for example, is Freddy. He has his specific origin, and I like that. He was from Springwook, I liked that. Sure, the movies were bad, but I didn't care about the plot, I came to see Freddy.

Michael Myers is MM. He's the embodiment of the spirit of Samhain. He terrorizes Haddonfield and is constantly trying to kill his family (no matter how thin the bloodline).

Jason is Jason. He drowned in Crystal lake and came back to terrorize anyone who dared trespass on his hunting ground.

Not many of these movies were actually scary, but they did give us a good time enjoying our favorite anti-heroes.

But that's just me.:D

To further state why I never considered these movies really scary:

Nightmare on Elm Street pt 1. Freddy gets beaten up by a little girl using the same tactics that McCauly Kulkin used to beat up Joe Peschi in Home Alone. I always got a laugh at that one.

August 15, 2008


Robert Englund got fans all stirred up over his claim that Billy Bob Thornton would slip on Freddy Krueger's glove for New Line Cinema's remake of A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET.

Even big sites and news publications reported it as FACT. It was fun watching reputable companies make a complete arse of themselves - but where did the rumor stem from?

You're going to LOVE this...

During an interview with IFMagazine, Englund tells them exactly where he heard these "facts":

"I heard this rumor from a journalist at a press conference during Comic-Con. I think Billy Bob is a terrific actor. I've been a fan since Evening Shade."

.....:rolleyes:

The last i heard of the new Nightmare movie, Robert Englund will not be back to play Freddy, i actually HATE that fact, Robert IS Freddy, to take him out of it is to take Freddy out of the Nightmare series, they need to re-consider, apparently though, Robert said he is happy about it and is looking forward to seeing what a new actor can bring to the character.. in this case, i don't care what he thinks, he should be back again!!

IMO remakes always suck ass, in nightmare on elm streets case how can they make a film that seemed to me to be more of a comedy than a horror worse than what it was..the idea behind it was pretty horrifying but the way it was portrayed on-screen was kind of weak. Don't get me wrong at the time it was around it was really good so in a way i'm pretty much on the fence..i do think the remake shouldn't happen though but that's just my opinion...

i eally dont think this will turn out very good

I agree that Freddy just won't be the same without Englund, but I have to admit I'm mildly curious to see Billy Bob Thorton in this role. Even if I don't always like all of the movies he's been in, I always still find him interesting to watch, and this is certainly a different role for him. I'd at least be willing to check it out.

Where have you been all my life ? :D
CK

Danny devito in the shining?

Lol, just throwing it out there, not like I want to see it but it would be funny.

Imagine taking something and then copying it and adding a little bit of uneeded creativity

That is what this movie is...A remake

I thought the new Halloween was an interesting take on the story, and an entity unto itself, not to be directly compared to the original.

And what of the Night of the Living Dead remake? It was amazing.
The Fly?
Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
The Blob?

you said it right there. the only thing im hoping for is real lucid disturbing dream sequences in good looking cg, (which was out of the question in the original movies)...

But without robert england...i just dont know....freddy is like a childhood hero to me....

Wasn't that the whole thing with the later movies, especially after Part 3, where their dreams they had directly referenced something about them? And yes no robert england seems like a really bad way to go.

whooooaaaa, Jason looked a little too fast at the very end of that clip...........

don't you think???

that trailer shows alot too.

I cant stand how they think movies like this and halloween ever needed to be remade. There already awesome leave them alone!

wish they would do these remakes in 3-D. that would be so kick ass...

id love to see Freddy come out of the wall at me...that would be kick ass

its a PREQUEL not a remake

I prefer to think of remakes as covers to movies. For example, I love Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here", but I also really enjoy Radiohead's cover of it. It's a new artist's interpretation of a classic. The same can be said about Halloween and TCM.

No and No.

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A nightmare on Elm st Remake(who should play Nancy)
 

Even though, i am not behind this remake because A nightmare on elm st is the few Classics that should not be remade but what can we do, they are remaking the Classic wes craven's movie. Michael Bay is not going to listen to us but whatever to him...

This is is MY DREAM CASTING FOR Nancy. This probably the fan of me talking but I think the amazing Sophia Bush, who is best known for her role of Brooke Davis on the hit CW series ONE TREE HILL, would be perfect for the role of Nancy. Even though Sophia would have to do something to elavate her performance as Nancy like Heather Langenchamp did in the original. This is probably just the Sophia fan talking inside me but i would love to see Sophia in the remake portraying Nancy. She can do it, she is a great actress and she was the only i liked the remake of the Hitcher(2007).

I know the remake will never be as good as the remake but at least They would have an AMAZING actress like Sophia Bush in it, but i know it is a long shot and I know Sophia will be busy filming the 7th season of One Tree Hill in the 2009/2010 season but she was the star in movies before in 2007, 2006.

I know it is just a long shot but even though I AM AGAINST THIS REMAKE, having one of my favorite actresses involved would make it tolerable for me. I did read Michael Bay is reinventing both the friday the 13th and Nightmare series, so reinvent the character of Nancy too...Sophia would knock the role out of the park---she is a great actress--but this is just the Sophia fan in me hoping she would be cast as Nancy. I can hope can't I

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I'm completely against her playing Nancy - she (or those working on her behalf) stoops too low to be taken seriously.

One of FEW classics that should NOT be remade?

I couldn't disagree with you more. Most classics should be left the hell alone.


Hollywood has shown again and again that nothing good comes out of remaking good movies. I just don't see the purpose.

Megan Fox.

I completely agree but Hollywood won't listen to the fans, if they went and made a remake to, texas chainsaw massicre, Friday the 13th, Halloween. It was matter of time until they remade a Nightmare.

Brad Fuller and Andrew Form, the brains behind Platinum Dunes - who produced The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and upcoming Friday the 13th remake - have been speaking to chud.com about their next project - a Nightmare on Elm Street reboot.

Form revealed that - as with Chainsaw's Leatherface and Friday's Jason - they would firstly be keeping Freddy Krueger's look, with the jumper and the iconic bladed glove all present and correct.

Fuller also said they hadn't decided on a helmer, but were looking for a "visual director who can blow people away." It seems the dream sequences are all important: "Seamless transitions are the key, where the audience truly has no idea if it's a dream or not until it's too late you realize you've been duped for the last 30, 40, 90 seconds and the person's been dreaming the whole time."

They hinted however that they may change the character's back-story, with the original Freddy's gruesome origins revolving around him victimizing the children of Elm Street, which lead the neighbourhood's parents to gang up and burn him alive.

Said Fuller: "The concept of the original A Nightmare on Elm Street wouldn't work. The concept of the movie is the kids discovering what happened, and the kids paying the price for their parent's sins. What we're struggling with is how we have his crimes in a way where the kids can't just type in 'Freddy Krueger' [into Google] and come up with his arrest record."

The film is set to begin shooting in Chicago this spring.

This is just sickening. :( My all time favorite movie is going to be ruined with a remake.

And changing all of the actors after like 8 movies is a HORRIBLE idea.

No one can be freddy except Robert Englund. He just IS freddy.

And a new Nancy...god My life is over.