But wasn't Jason dreaming at the beginning? Even if he was dead, he couldn't have been in Hell, because I'm sure if a Hell exists you won't be allowed to do the thing you love most all the time.

What was he doing again?

I'm pretty sure he was in Hell....

He was killing naked ladies. But they said "You can never die" which I do believe means he was still alive, just not moving, so I guess it meant Freddy was cruising the dream world while he was "Searching for someone who'll make 'em remember"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...grl/Jason9.jpg

Ring a bell?

The subtitle is also "The Final Friday" but that wasn't exactly true, was it?

The movie ends with Jason's mask on the ground (presumably after being sucked into Hell), and then Freddy's claw reaching out to grab it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...al-friday2.jpg

So, obviously, like many movie one-line teasers... This tagline is purely ironic.

Yeah man, he went to Hell, obviously.....

Yeah, I don't think Jason went to Hell, he just got up and went to Springwood, if Freddy doesn't have the power to kill people he most likely doesn't have the power to revive the dead. Jason was just lying there, sleeping/unconscious/in a sex coma/whatever until he was told his task by his mother (Freddy) in his dream.

DAMN MISNOMERED MOVIE TITLE! WHY MUST YOU TURN HOLLYWOOD INTO A WOOD - OF LIES?!

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Whether or not he actually went to Hell was really inconsequential to me... Then again, If he went to space...

I like this point:

So true.

It now has me thinking... What would Jason's Hell BE like?... If he did go to Hell?

A Hell of Crystal Lakes?

Mayhaps...





hee hee

Well I think he was in hell, and since when doesn't Freddy have the power to kill people?

JAson would have a job in Hell, to make it hell for everyone else their ....;)

I didn't say that... The point that I was making was that Freddy's weakness (when he DOES kill) is that he has to do so through the dreams of his victims... If Jason doesn't dream (or if he's in Hell instead of some plane of reality that allows dreaming - that's to assume that Hell doesn't allow dreaming - but who knows), then Freddy would have an immediate weakness against Jason in a battle... But at the beginning of the movie (from my recollection), Freddy came to Jason in his (dream?) to make him kill again (because Freddy could not become a physical manifestation).

Which brings another question... If Freddy originally awakens Jason to kill teens in this plane of reality (as opposed to the dreamscape), doesn't that imply Freddy's innate weakness from the onset? How could he possibly win against Jason?!

So it would be a reward for him... So Jason's demise would contradict the ultimate purpose of Hell (to punish the wicked)... Would that make Jason greater than Heaven, Hell, and Everything? Would that make him some kind of God? :p

The first 45 minutes or so of Freddy vs Jason.

but that was only because no one was dreaming of him and he was alone...

I see your point.

What about Blake? Freddy emerged and put his claw into Blake's chest in an attempt to kill him but nothing happened, wasn't until Mark that Freddy got his groove back.

Freddy vs. Jason never really happened (within the cannon of the story. Obviously it never REALLY happened). The whole thing was Jason in hell. He was killing because of his mother, not because he got a kick out of it. If not for her and the events of the first F13 movie, he wouldn't be killing anybody. So he goes to hell and ends up having to kill for someone else and is basically powerless to fight against it.

Either that or it did happen, and Jason was given a more tangible, waking hell. Remember, Freddy apparently became some kinda demon (or was always a demon if FvsJ is going by the New Nightmare cannon) so it's not out of the question that he'd have some power in hell.

So what if his mum just died in a car crash before she took her revenge, what do you think Jason would have done?

Gone and got a job at the local tourist bureau... I think he would have ended up going physco anyway.

So, what, we just disregard what is arguably the central event in the history of the character? Who cares what would've happened if she didn't die the way she did? That's the way it was written. It's the motivation given for the character's actions, regardless of what Dumb Fuck Aussie thinks about it.

Hey, I just don't like you that way, ok...

And if your a racist why don't you take it out on someone who might give a shit...

i voted for jason. i never really got into the freddy films - the first just seemed silly and the rest just got sillier, even cartoonish. now f13 was always a bit silly but somehow i liked jason and prefer his lack of dialogue.

maybe the better question would be - which franchise got stupider - or, for that matter, maybe a good contest would be when did each franchise 'jump the shark' - oooo i like it - i'm going to start htis in the general forum!!

Racist? Since when is Australian a race? Unless Australia, Ireland, and Scotland got together and decided to make "Alcoholic sloppy seconds from England" a race.

But I have nothing against the fact that you're Australian. I take offence to the fact that you're an idiot.

So you have re-written your country's history so that it wasn't discovered now? That's interesting coming from an inbreed hick such as yourself, It's clear who the idiot is here.

Yknow...that might've held more water if you didn't bring race/nationality into it in the first place, in an attempt to make some kind've an accentuation on your attack towards one of my own.

I would expect more than that from you, but hey.
So, not racist, just ignorantly following your own preconceptions about things and people you've no first hand experience with? We're are little past Crocodile Dundee; perhaps you should educate yourself on the culture before ripping it to shreds, so that you're qualified to back up any such statements.

That's all I have to say and won't be engaging you any further on the matter.
You're smart enough to know to expect some kind've reaction when you throw an ignorant blanket statement out there about somebodies people, so I know you won't even pretend to take this personally.
Have a good 'un, Sam.

No, I just differentiate between the miscreants from England who got sent to your continent and the prudish religious nuts who colonized this place.

And, yes, it is clear who the idiot is here. I'm glad to come to terms with the fact that you've got shit for brains.

Without England, none of you cunts would be here anyway so STFU.

:D

You have shit for brains?

So You have no point as you are not a native American I take it...

Playing dumb and pretending that you can't read does nothing but prove my point. Although I'm open to the possibility that you're neither playing nor pretending.

You Lose! ! !

I'd have to go with Freddy.He can at least talk and tells it like it is.Like someone else said Jason is boooorrrring.Freddy all the way baby he's my kinda man .... LOL :D

In your profile you describe yourself as "not a pretentious twat."

Looks like Disease isn't the only one who's full of shit*.

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*brings thread back to topic*

I definitely agree. As much as the Jason movies lampoon the slasher franchise, I believe that they do so much more effectively than the Freddy movies do. Freddy began as a purposefully ridiculous gorefest while Jason attempted to create an actual twist...

I still maintain that the two would never be able to compete... I believe that Jason's dreams would be so incredibly twisted (if, in fact, he DID dream), that Freddy would still be on Jason's turf, not his own.

This is all purely speculative, however... :p











*Disease - I've got your back on this one. And you're not that full of shit. :p

It's good of you to come out as being full of shit and all, but it seems a bit out of nowhere.

You are simply going no where... give up now!

Everyone goes a bit mental sometimes.

This thread is the Lulz :D

Oh, clever. And to that I retort:



AKA: You're a moronic hypocritical douche.

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And I still maintain that Jason would win against Freddy (and that he DID win in the movie).

Yes, one is me intentionally ignoring an implication and one is someone either totally misunderstanding a blatantly worded part of a post or just ignoring a blatantly worded part of a post.

"You have shit for brains."
"Huh? You have shit for brains?"
does not equal
"Someone here is full of shit."
"Yes, you are full of shit."

Is this clear enough for you? I'm not sure I can dumb myself down to your level, so I hope that will suffice. But may I advise you that in the future, when you want to post something like that, think really hard about it. And then don't post it. You're only making yourselves look worse. No wonder most of the posters worth anything left a while ago. You people are the reason this board is a joke.

Just keep blaming your self..

One wonders what Thich Qang Duc would have made of all of this.

hee hee... Oh, the thin splitting hairs of a meticulously semantic argument.

Both comparative insults could be inferred to be ironic attempts at sardonic ignorance, which was my point. But really, miscommunication is truly a part of the joy of the anonymity and ambiguous nature of posting on a forum...

But that's ok, I like it when you back pedal. :)


VERY well played, Sir.

"hee hee... Oh, the thin splitting hairs of a meticulously semantic argument. "
If you make a statement that is completely and utterly wrong, don't blame me for explaining why you're an idiot.

"Both comparative insults could be inferred to be ironic attempts at sardonic ignorance, which was my point. But really, miscommunication is truly a part of the joy of the anonymity and ambiguous nature of posting on a forum... "
One was "feigning" ignorance in response to a completely blatant statement. The other was taking advantage of the vagueness of a statement. Do I need to make a chart or something? I could have the Muppet Babies come in and explain it to you if you think you could understand them better.


"But that's ok, I like it when you back pedal. :) "
Well, I'm sorry* to have disappointed you thus far. I'll try to do more backpeddling and less being right in the future.





*-I'm not really sorry. Also, you're still an idiot. But mostly the lack of being sorry.



EDIT: By the way, who are you again?

hahahaha... I think you just made my morning. And I haven't even had coffee yet.

You are making a semantic argument and both "insults" were feigning ignorance by blatantly ignoring the intent of the initial statement, though using different means ("insults" being in quotation marks as neither of them were particularly effective, yours or Disease's).

But I don't think that it even matters. This thread has gotten WAY off topic.

I actually think that you made an interesting analysis here:

However, just because someone on this forum disagrees with your film analysis, doesn't mean that you should be an asshole, i.e.:

If the purpose of your joining this thread is to argue that Freddy Vs. Jason only happens on the plane of Jason's Hell, then do it. That's interesting and well thought-out. Let's go back there. And stop being a douche about it.

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If Freddy Vs. Jason is Jason's Hell... Does that mean that killing for him is eternal suffering? And his mom is a sort of surrogate Devil that he serves? Or is she just a manifestation of the Devil (if there is a Devil that presides over Hell)?

Freddy Krueger. Freddy had personality, Jason just walked and killed people. At least for NOES's sake, the sequels could be inventive. Friday the 13th sequels were pretty much the same. Not that I didn't like some of the sequels (part 6 is my favorite of the sequels), but it was same old, same old. The only thing going for F13 is that you can pop any of them in and get the same thrill.