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massacre man 11-06-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 645052)
Have you ever read the original Christmas Carol? It's a lot darker than that holiday dreck you watch on TBS on Christmas Eve before you put on your footie PJs and hit the sack to wait for Santa.

Don't be an idiot.

That would be awesome coming out of Bill Moseley's mouth.

Phalanx 11-06-2007 07:04 PM

Primarily Adventure/Comedy with an overall horror theme -
Which the whole series can really be put into, perhaps in different order per movie, eg:
1 Horror, Adventure, Comedy
2 Comedy, horror, Adventure
3 Adventure, comedy, horror.
...None of them were exclusively horror, all had comedy when you look at it.
That's why they probably just stuck with "horror", which is the dominant theme factor in all of them.
Throw army of darkness back 20 years from the time of it's release and it'd be considered "up there" with the real scary stuff back in the day, no?
Seems to me that's like what they were going for, more an homage to the "old" stuff that we might find laughable nowadays? Maybe, I dunno...the film was definately a bit of a piss take.
It's overall a story about evil forces that want to demonically possess the human race over time - that's a horror tale, regardless of how they choose to tell it.
Unless you want genres listed that cover up most of the case "horror/comedy/adventure/romance"...etc, just deal with it. If 1 (and especially) 2 deserve the "horror" mantle, 3 is there too.

...In any event, I think your argument regarding what the rating "should" be is a little more than 10 years too late.

Psycom5k 11-07-2007 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 645052)
There are plenty of horror elements in Army of Darkness; blood, guts, chainsaws, shotguns, skeletons, a posessed girlfriend, demons, etc... Not just "ghosts".

If you can't see it, too bad for you, because it's a great comedy/horror film.

"Duh, so demons mean ghosts and ghosts are in a Christmas Carol..."

Have you ever read the original Christmas Carol? It's a lot darker than that holiday dreck you watch on TBS on Christmas Eve before you put on your footie PJs and hit the sack to wait for Santa.

Don't be an idiot.

Actually yes I have. I was just using the MOVIES that were made of it as an example NOT the book itself. All I said was that if every movie was classified as horror just because it has a ghost or something in it,(Like the aptly named movie Ghost, which was more of a romance than anything) then that would be stupid. But hey thats just my opinion.




Oh yeah, and leave my jammies out of this.

Edit: On a side note.... who can guess where this quote came from -----> "I'm going off the rails on a Swayze train." First person to guess gets a cookie.

Roderick Usher 11-07-2007 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645097)

Edit: On a side note.... who can guess where this quote came from -----> "I'm going off the rails on a Swayze train." First person to guess gets a cookie.

Trailer Park Boys

AUSTIN316426808 11-07-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645097)
Actually yes I have. I was just using the MOVIES that were made of it as an example NOT the book itself. All I said was that if every movie was classified as horror just because it has a ghost or something in it,(Like the aptly named movie Ghost, which was more of a romance than anything) then that would be stupid. But hey thats just my opinion.



What you're saying is understood. The point is, do you really have to strain the comparison that much. Seriously, Army of Darkness 'n Christmas Carol, not to mention that you decided to throw Ghost into it. It's not the elements of horror but the theme..there's an army of skeletons and demons coming to destroy a town, that's a horror theme...not christmas or romance, horror.

Psycom5k 11-07-2007 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Usher (Post 645140)
Trailer Park Boys

Correct rod, but your on a diet so instead you get...
http://cache.lifehacker.com/assets/r...f%20celery.png
:)
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Originally Posted by AUSTIN316426808 (Post 645184)
What you're saying is understood. The point is, do you really have to strain the comparison that much. Seriously, Army of Darkness 'n Christmas Carol, not to mention that you decided to throw Ghost into it. It's not the elements of horror but the theme..there's an army of skeletons and demons coming to destroy a town, that's a horror theme...not christmas or romance, horror.

Thats fully understood, but the only reason I tried to strain that comparison(With a Patrick Swayze reference) is because someone decided to bash me( and my jammies) for trying to make a relevant point to this discussion.

Despare 11-07-2007 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645190)
Thats fully understood, but the only reason I tried to strain that comparison(With a Patrick Swayze reference) is because someone decided to bash me( and my jammies) for trying to make a relevant point to this discussion.

Actually chico, your point wasn't relevant unless you've seen some version of Dickens' classic in which ole' Ebenezer takes out Marley and the three ghosts of time with a shotgun and a chainsaw. I understood your point, I just didn't think it was very valid. I don't know why you can't see the horror elements in Army of Darkness but I know I won't be the one to lift the veil.

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Psycom5k 11-08-2007 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 645290)
Actually chico, your point wasn't relevant unless you've seen some version of Dickens' classic in which ole' Ebenezer takes out Marley and the three ghosts of time with a shotgun and a chainsaw. I understood your point, I just didn't think it was very valid. I don't know why you can't see the horror elements in Army of Darkness but I know I won't be the one to lift the veil.

http://www.shivasworld.com/graphics/Pit%20Deadite.jpg

Who the hell said I can't see the horror elements in Army of Darkness? I never said that Army of darkness wasn't a horror movie. I never said that those elements aren't in the movie. All I was saying was that just because a movie has horror elements in it, doesn't necessarily mean that it is horror movie. And I was NOT saying that AoD isn't a horror movie, because thats what your trying to twist what I am saying into.

But ya know what? I'm done. There is no point in arguing with somebody like you. God forbid I try to get into a discussion. So drop it. I am.

_____V_____ 11-08-2007 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645359)
Who the hell said I can't see the horror elements in Army of Darkness? I never said that Army of darkness wasn't a horror movie. I never said that those elements aren't in the movie. All I was saying was that just because a movie has horror elements in it, doesn't necessarily mean that it is horror movie. And I was NOT saying that AoD isn't a horror movie, because thats what your trying to twist what I am saying into.

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 644972)
So then by you saying that, that would mean that anything with horror themes would be filed under the horror genre. Which would mean, something with ghosts in it would be defined as horror. So, with that said, would you say that all the "A Christmas Carol" movies would be horror then? Because last time I checked it wasn't. Just because there are horror themes in a movie, does not make the movie horror. Therefor IMO Army of Darkness = Fantasy/comedy.

Contradicting yourself, eh?;)

Freezing Moon 11-08-2007 04:57 AM

I love this film.
And it is an horror film. Besides some LOL and some ROFL here and there, some scenes are scarier than the most part of horror films from Hollywood nowadays. For example can be a bit shocking the scene in which he see something is growing inside him, with the eyes emerging from his shoulder... or when he mutilates himself with the chainsaw in the prologue.

But I'm sure it's rated R because of the "sex scene" :D

Despare 11-08-2007 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645359)
Who the hell said I can't see the horror elements in Army of Darkness? I never said that Army of darkness wasn't a horror movie. I never said that those elements aren't in the movie. All I was saying was that just because a movie has horror elements in it, doesn't necessarily mean that it is horror movie. And I was NOT saying that AoD isn't a horror movie, because thats what your trying to twist what I am saying into.

But ya know what? I'm done. There is no point in arguing with somebody like you. God forbid I try to get into a discussion. So drop it. I am.

Don't tell me what to drop, I love to argue, I was built for it. Army of Darkness is more "horror" than most of the new "horror" movies released today. I've already talked about what it includes and it's more than a simple recurring horror theme. Army of Darkness is a horror movie filled to the brim with slapstick comedy. Without the horror part of the movie... the book of the dead and the deadites etc... there could be no movie. Army of Darkness is a horror movie at the core and without Bruce Campbell's witty remarks and physical humor to lighten the mood this film WOULD have been pretty damn creepy.

Psycom5k 11-08-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 645393)
Don't tell me what to drop, I love to argue, I was built for it. Army of Darkness is more "horror" than most of the new "horror" movies released today. I've already talked about what it includes and it's more than a simple recurring horror theme. Army of Darkness is a horror movie filled to the brim with slapstick comedy. Without the horror part of the movie... the book of the dead and the deadites etc... there could be no movie. Army of Darkness is a horror movie at the core and without Bruce Campbell's witty remarks and physical humor to lighten the mood this film WOULD have been pretty damn creepy.

So, who's ready for Thanksgiving? I love turkey, so its one of my favorite holidays.
I always get a leg, otherwise somebody is losing theirs.

Does anybody want to know how to make their own cranberry sauce? And no I don't mean the stuff in the can, thats more like jelly than sauce. I mean good ol' wholesome fresh cranberries, being cooked into the sauce.

Ok so you take a bag of frozen cranberries, put them into a saucepan, add about a half a cup of sugar, or 3/4 to 2/3s of a cup. zest an orange, add that. Then just cover with water, bring to a boil, stirring occasionaly, and reduce it to about 3/4 to a 12, remove from heat, and use it on anything you like.

Despare 11-08-2007 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645584)
So, who's ready for Thanksgiving? I love turkey, so its one of my favorite holidays.
I always get a leg, otherwise somebody is losing theirs.

Does anybody want to know how to make their own cranberry sauce? And no I don't mean the stuff in the can, thats more like jelly than sauce. I mean good ol' wholesome fresh cranberries, being cooked into the sauce.

Ok so you take a bag of frozen cranberries, put them into a saucepan, add about a half a cup of sugar, or 3/4 to 2/3s of a cup. zest an orange, add that. Then just cover with water, bring to a boil, stirring occasionaly, and reduce it to about 3/4 to a 12, remove from heat, and use it on anything you like.

Because the sauce is red it's horror sauce for sure. Because blood is red. Like the blood in Army of Darkness. You know... that horror movie that's pretty funny.

ChronoGrl 11-08-2007 08:56 PM

I would definitely classify Army of Darkness as a horror movie. Yes, it definitely has elements of humor, but I believe that the basic plot, the theme of the Gothic Other as well as Gothic Quest, and characters (the deadites and the Necronomicon) moves this film into the realm of the horror genre.

While some might argue that it diverges into the realm of fantasy, I would argue that the magical elements that would qualify it toward fantasy are more macabre and dark, therefore pushing it in a horror direction. I would also argue that there are elements of comedy, but these elements do not override the ubiquitous intent of the film. While it definitely follows Evil Dead 2 as a lampooning of the horror genre, it does, in fact, serve as a horror film.

...

HOWEVER

...

I have often argued for the other side of this debate, that Army of Darkness is not a horror movie. The only time that I make this claim, however, is when it is explicitly being compared with Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2. Usually the triad of films are brought up as Raimi's veritable Three Ringed Horror Opus, and THIS is when I have issue with Army being considered a horror film. It does not attempt to do what its two predecessors did. In Evil Dead, Raimi was making a haunted house film. In ED 2, he was lampooning his attempts at making a haunted house film while at the same time creating an even MORE effective (in my opinion) haunted house film. AOD, however, takes the lampooning element to a whole different level and creates a different branch of horror than the original two. It is no longer a haunted house film, and it definitely uses cheap slapstick and one-liners to create comedy (as opposed to ED 2, which used situational absurdity to create irony and humor) that seem to override the horror elements that so saturated the previous two films.

SO, I would say that as an organic unit taken by itself, Army of Darkness is certainly a horror film.

But when taken as part of the triology, I do not view it as so. Evil Dead is horror. Evil Dead 2 is parody/homage but still horror. And, in that light, Army of Darkness is Action/Siege/Comedy.

And, uhm... Yay for Thanksgiving!

Psycom5k 11-09-2007 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 645587)
Because the sauce is red it's horror sauce for sure. Because blood is red. Like the blood in Army of Darkness. You know... that horror movie that's pretty funny.

Anybody ever tell you that you're a bastard? And I only mean that in the best way possible.

Despare 11-09-2007 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645668)
Anybody ever tell you that you're a bastard? And I only mean that in the best way possible.

How did you know? ;)

_____V_____ 11-09-2007 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 645668)
Anybody ever tell you that you're a bastard? And I only mean that in the best way possible.

I have.

It never worked...lemme tell ya.

Psycom5k 11-09-2007 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by _____V_____ (Post 645734)
I have.

It never worked...lemme tell ya.

Oh I think I allready know.


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