For young fans imo it's just as harmless as santa claus or the tooth fairy. After you reach a certain age you'll realize it's staged and can still enjoy watching storylines unfold. The outcome of the match is predetermined but the action is real and you don't know who's going to win(although the last handful of years have been pretty predictable).

Fair enough, still seems very odd though how many children are actually fooled (most aren't as daft as they look) - and how confusing and disappointing it must be when the truth dawns.

Faces of Death lost its menace when I became old enough to discover most of the scenes were staged - though this did open up new thoughts on how to manipulate certain audiences.

You're right, I'm sure it's disappointing for some to find out your hero is improvising from a plot outline but I also don't think it's something that would be dwelled on for long. Going back to what I said before about Santa for example, that's probably alot worse to find out about because after they find that out it's over. On the other hand the wrestlers/characters are still there and while it most likely wont be as exciting it can still be enjoyable.

Same here if they wanted John Cena to have a match they could have had him go up against some one else. Randy Orton didnt care about Eddie all he cares about is his self. The rest of the show was good except that match

You mean a boxing match where the ending is predetermined? Why, that'd be fixing, and who would EVER fix a boxing match?

Anyways, can we possibly move the discussion on the merits of wrestling being less than honest to one of the other wrestling threads?

EDIT: I would've suggested I go into the thread about Akkad and talk about how most of the Halloween movies weren't any good anyways, but then I went in there and found this:
Same person posting and everything. I'm shocked...

There are more wrestling threads?

Speculation is all you may have about the rumour of rigged boxing matches (save for a handful that may have been "proved" by the media?) - wrestling however is sold as "real" battling when it is in fact universally, blatantly "false".

It is impossible to take such a strange hybrid of entertainment - bouts of fighting with "rules" and acting - seriously when there is no tension (apart from dramatic), meaning or winners/losers... instead there is a script and a bunch of oddball steroid-munchers.

You say you were going to go to Moustapha Akkad's RIP thread and condemn his work?

Bloody disrespectful, that.


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PR3SSUR3 if you dont like wrestling are you think it is so fake then dont watch it .

I'm not really a great wrestling fan, but maybe, just MAYBE what you're saying is why they refer to it as "sports entertainment", and/or "PERFORMANCE wrestling".
The majority of people that DO follow it beyond a certain age will not try and step up claiming how undisputedly real every aspect of wrestling is, yet, as some have even said in this thread, they watch to see the storylines and events unfold, predetermined as they may be. When I watch wrestling, whether or not it's ACTUALLY people getting the shit knocked out of them does not enter my mind...it's theatrical, yes...but I do appreciate the skill and stamina it must take for these guys to do what they do, even if it is essentially watching something vaugely comparable to stuntmen.
PERFORMANCE wrestling. Sports ENTERTAINMENT.
Seems those that watch it find these things an easier concept to grasp than you do. What you're saying isn't exactly groundbreaking news, you're not clearing up any long standing questions here, in fact, all you are doing is being disrespectful to fans of a great long time entertainer, performer, actor....Then again, this is no news to US, your regular routine around here is to gather attention through attempted infamy...you're not funny, you're not witty, you're just a dick - So keep the avatar, seems that, you've already acknolwedged the truth of the matter.

Oh...and Sam, Austin, Trippin'...We got the show you're referring to just yeaterday (slight delay here), and even for an "only sometimes" watcher, it was difficult to sit through...the montage of his life was nicely done even for the space of time they managed to push it into, some heartfelt quotes about his skill, and determination, you could see how many true friends the guy actually had, even his latest "enemies" couldn't contain themselves. You're right, overall it was a good show.
One thing...was Chris Benoit a close personal friend of Eddies? He sure seemed to be taking it harder than anyone else...
No doubt this has the entire industry shaken, it is truly a shame.

- B

he and Eddie were way close. They've known each other since '94 or '95 when they were wrestling in Japan

Please tell me you're not naive enough to believe that a boxing match has never been fixed.

Just as good as Raw, just as hard to watch.

Dweebadweeba -

Not exactly groundbreaking news indeed - more a reminder of how such flimsy, insignificant entertainment remains so popular with the masses.

To not grow out of wrestling is strange, as one would expect your forms of entertainment to mature with the rest of you.

Over it?

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When you watch a movie everything is fake, a bunch of people acting as if their doing something they aren't. Acting like good guys, bad guys, military officers, singers, police officers, gangsters ect. ect. The point of watching a movie which again is completely fake is to see how the story comes out. Wrestling's no different, you're watching a bunch of people acting like good guys and bad guys as the story unfolds. Also just like movies it can be predictable and boring, original and suspenseful, funny ect. It's just a form of entertainment which in my opinion isn't all that different from watching a movie or any other tv show for that matter.

Another good point, Austin.

While it is easy to suspend disbelief in film though, watching a movie is a more obvious, accepted form of deception - and most of them do not pretend to be "authentic".

It is interesting how more actual, competitive wrestling in Ultimate Fighting and the like lies at the other end of the spectrum since it is considered "extreme".

Where is the middle ground?

Surely a hands-on, grab-and-throw skill like wrestling can be sold to the public as a straight sport, minus the need for patronising pre-determined pantomime acts or unrestrained extremities?


Punch and Judy, now I can just about cope with that.


http://www.punchandjudy.com/howtoscript/fight.htm


:)

I think wrestling is just as much of an accepted form of deception as film, they don't advertise it as being real which is more than I can say for alot of films who are quick to slap on a ''true story'' sticker. There's even a saying in wrestling, ''This aint ballet'' which is often used by the announcers which any frequent viewer can easily translate. As far as younger fans just like with movies it's the parent's job if they see fit to explain to the kid that it's not real and not to try anything they see. So as far as the deception you keep mentioning, like I've said already it's just like movies imo, if you're old/mature enough you'll realize it's fake, if you're a young fan it's up to the parents if they see fit to explain. So again I say it's just like movies or any other tv show.

I'm an old wrestling fan from way back (anyone remember tommy "wildfire" rich)? Or perhaps you can remember who the original satanist in wrestling was?

anyway, having met and chatted with several pro-wrestlers and seen the injuries and watched them walk and get up out of chairs believe me wrestlers are athletes who get hurt.

just because it's scripted doe not mean that it's "fake". I stopped watching wrestling when it stopped being about good versus evil, now it's degrees of popularity and who can be bad without being unpopular.

Remember when it was Ivan Koloff versus Ole Anderson or austin idol versus rick flair. Remember when buck "rock-n-roll" zumhoff was warring with bobby hennan? It was good versus bad; a titanic clear cut struggle. I was about the plot and story line; it was about booing for the bad guy and loving it when the good guy finally won -- it was melodrama object lessons.

Now, it's just like any other soap opera, only the sex happens in the ring and not in the bedroom.

Wrestlers are tough folks and extreme athletes(although I could never figure out how dusty rhodes never had a heart attack as huge as he was) and regardless of scripted or unscripted the good ones do deserve some respect.

uh, not sure which wrestling shows you were watching - did it involve gladiators?

What!!! You mean to tell me wrestling is not real, are you saying they dont really jump off cages and and they really dont hit people with chairs. You trying to tell me after all these years i have been watching that they really dont throw people off of the top rope. PR3SSUR3 you trying to say all that is fake that they really dont do those things

Q: Do the actors involved take a bow at the end of their 'bouts'?

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Ummm, why yes some do

damn that sucks i loved to watch him wrestle:(

R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero

Grew up watching this guy wrestle in WCW and WWE, and I'll admit to crying on the RAW Tribute to Eddie Guerrero. I have thought about him every day. In my history class, we had to bring in something special to us to hang up on the wall for the term, and I brought in my Eddie Guerrero shirt. Also, in Spanish, we got to pick spanish names for ourselves, and I picked Eduardo, Eddie's full name. I miss this man very much! R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero! We'll miss you! :(