I do not think any parent would have a problem if they brought back hangings or better yet, be-headings of these .....creatures.

That just made me remember something.
In that old thread thread about 3 wishes...
I wished to have super powers,and I was thinking, that's what I would use my powers for....to eradicate pedophiles.

I'd obtain ownership of the Saints from Tom Benson.

Re: if you could get away with it
 

is the answer "kill everyone?"

fuck, this is hard...

I would love to take a shovel and beat Bush in the face a few thousand times

...Nice...:p

Almost forgot, after beating him in the face a few thousand times I would then take the handle and shove it up his ass and then ask him how he likes being fucked in the ass like he is doing the people of the United States.:D

...Very Nice...:D

I dont hate Bush I think he was a better pick than Kerry...He is a bit of a cowboy but I think he loves the country and its people. As for bashing the face of a celebrity/politician ...Bill Maher !!! God I would love to pummell that puke. I cannot stand his rat faced, pertentious ass. He disgusts me.

I don't care I would still like to beat the shit out of him anyways.

Bush a cowboy, Hell he isn't even from Texas. He is more like a fucking retard. No, he doesnt love this country he loves the money he makes off of this country

:D

:D :cool:

That's pretty cool. What I remember most about that event was the two Nazis getting creamed.

I'd fucking kill you.
But I couldn't let MYSELF get away with it, you squeeling little bastard.


































































...Fucking guinea pig...

Steal a basket of muffins and then dump them right down on passing people on the street! xD

Now that is perfect. How about we make him eat his own shit first ? before we take the shove to his face ?

If you could give me ONE reason why Bush would be a better president then Kerry. Loving your country don't mean you send troops off to die for no REAL reason. Or the people affected by Katrina out without Food & Water, while you take good picture with the press "looking busy". Fuck BUSH, he can only be compared to Hilter.

yeah I hate Bill Maher, I would love to punch him right in the nose and wipe that stupid grin off his face.

You know how tired and sweaty you'd be after hitting someone with a shovel a thousand times? I'd go for a dozen or so shots and then just slice open his jugular. ;)

Well, a violent assault on our dear leader is an obvious choice. What I'd really like to do, however, is to travel back in time and stop Gwen Stefani from making that awful, awful "Hollaback Girl" song. By any means necessary. It comes on what seems like a thousand times a day on the radio at work, and on particularly stressful nights, I've felt like I was really about to snap if I heard it one more time.

Let me hear you say this shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S

...Lmao!!!;) :D

Kerry couldnt have done anything differently in New Orleans. It was FEMA's slow response, not Bushs. The President can't just order them in to action, there are legislative steps (red tape) that must be taken for something like that to occur.

Was it a pathetic, sickening, wrongfully slow response? Hell yes it was. Was it George Bush's fault? Um, no. Does our entire system need an overhaul? Fuck yeah it does. I've been saying that since I was old enough to notice how fucked up things are.

As for the Hitler comparison, I'm hoping you're joking because if you're not, that's a bit naive. Hitler killed 12 million Jews in cold blood. Bush's bodycount in Iraq isn't even a blip on the radar compared to that. (Or even a blip on the radar compared to the amount of people their suppressive tyrannical leader Saddam Hussein killed while in office, for that matter.) Hussein is much closer to Hitler than Bush, but even he is nowhere near Hitler's bodycount.

If Kerry was in office right now, there's no reason he would have been able to respond any quicker in New Orleans because, like I said, it was all the red tape they got caught up in. It's not like Bush was just sitting around with his feet up waiting for the right time to send help, it was beyond his control.

And yes, Bill Maher is smug little asshole that needs to get beat down.

All the facts aren't out yet about New Orleans and why everything went wrong. But All I know is that people fucked up... bad. Aid wasn't even out fast enough, Buses weren't decoyed. Just like how the pre 9/11 information was disregarded, so was all the information about Katrina. All the politicians did was talk,talk,talk,talk, and didn't do shit when it happen. While Bush is posing for photo Ops when people are starving. We can drop food to the Iraqi families but not too poor black families ? We can't deny race didn't have something to do with this.

Bush was where when this happen ? Fucking Vacation again! Yeah. I am sure heads are going to roll for this :rolleyes: but its little too late to be firing people when the damage is done.

Bush has exploited all the people that died in 9/11 for a cause of War. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. yeah, "Fight them over there, so we don't have to face them at home". That’s why we are all so scared still, 4 years after the attacks. Lets send my generation to the dead, and if I speak against the war. I am un-American and don't support the troop. Supporting the troops is wanting them home and safe with their family!

Maybe The Hitler comment is... little to much, but not in my eyes. We only see the damage that is present, the future toll will prove much greater. Trust me

If Kerry was in office, all I know is that we wouldn't be in a unjust war. Would New Orleans look different ? We won't know.

Iraq had no connection to 9-11. Iraq had no WMD. Iraq has no ties to al-Qaida. The motives for us being over there are pretty clouded and no one really knows why we're there because we only know the tip of the iceberg that the media tells us about.

All of that being said, the citizens of Iraq are better off right now than they were 3 years ago. Women's rights have dramatically increased, little girls are now allowed to attend school, no one has to live in fear that they will be killed for spekaing out against their tyrant leader and they elected their own government and are getting there in terms of writing up a consititution.

So are we in Iraq for questionable reasons? Yep. Are they better off because we're there? It's matter of opinion, but I'd say they are.

I am not a democrat or a republican. I just cant really tolerate politicians, in general. So if this sounds like I'm defending Bush, that's not really it. I just don't like how people with partisan agendas automatically point the finger at the opposing party for everything that goes wrong.

P.S. Fuck terrorists. I'm not living in fear of those faggots.

But...Iraq had ties to Bin Laden (thru Al-Quaida), And Bin Laden was involved in 9-11 Not that WE were able to find, no...BUT, they DID have them (chemical weapons) when Saddam used them against his own people...We could not have foreseen that they would not still be there, or would be moved or destroyed after we began looking for them (I STILL say, "look in Syria") Baby Doll, Iraq is STILL full of Al-Quaida...Saddam helped to fund and protect them...




I just wanted to point that out :)

You know I respect you, but I have to politely disagree here. al-Qaida and the Bathe party hate each other. Saddam and the Bathe Party don't have any ties to bin Laden or al-Qaida. The US hired bin Laden during Gulf 1 to try to kill Saddam for us. We even gave al-Qaida the weapons and training to do it. (Hindsight being 20/20 that probably wasn't our best move.)

Like you, I also believe the WMDs exist (I think they are probably in Iran or Syria as well.) but we gave the world like 6 weeks notice before going in to Iraq so there was plenty of time for them to be relocated. I'm pretty sure the US government could have seen that coming because I did and I dont have the CIA's access to info.

al-Qaida is in Iraq now because that's where we are. They weren't there when we went in and there are no ties between Hussein and al-Qaida in terms of 9-11. (According to the report filed by the 9/11 Commission at least.) Saddam hasn't ever funded al-Qaida, like I said... It was just about a decade ago that we hired al-Qaida to kill Saddam. I have never seen anything other than individual's speculation to signify any sort of partnership between those two organizations. (Why would they even need his money? Bin Laden's got plenty of cash.)

His assets were frozen after 9-11.

Buuuurn!

That first comment is very debatable. Most of Iraq only gets 4 hours of electric power a day at the most. Clean water is very rare. I ain't saying we aren't doing a good job, but the Iraqis citizens are more against each other then ever. Also, no one can prove we could HOLD a stable government after we leave.

You think Iraq wants a government like ours? When most of our own citizens don't trust/believe our government.

We have enough trouble defending our own constitution with people bending gun laws.

I think people have forgot we are after Al-Qaida/Bin Laden. Now our plan is FREE Iraq. Fuck Iraq, we came them guns 20 years ago to fight the Russians and now they are using them on us.

Right wing - Left wing. Both are crooks. But when I compare one evil to another. Left wing doesn't look like a bunch of Nazis

The bodies are still in the water and already people are lusting to blame someone.

Was it the Federal Government's job to evacuate the city? Would it have been legal for the feds to order a forcible evacuation themselves? No and no.

And by the way, George Bush personally called the Governor before the storm and asked her to implement a mandatory evacuation:

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisi...list=louisiana

And not only that, he declared the area a federal disaster area before the hurricane hit, which is rare:

http://journalstar.com/articles/2005...7674813970.txt

You might want to read that second one there, if you're so convinced that George Bush just twiddled his thumbs as the hurricane bore down on us.

See above.

Disaster relief is not like ordering a pizza, especially when roads and infrastructure are wiped out.

So do you want to just fly over the flooded city shoving pallets of MRE's out of the back of a C-130 and hope they land near the right people?

Here you are talking to people around the world on the internet. Do you seriously believe that the president of the United States doesn't have the ability to communicate with his subordinates from his home?

Not directly, but that's a different subject.


This generation's military consists of volunteers.

Nobody said that.

Your Hitler comment is a staggering insult to everyone who suffered through Hitler's horror. The closest parallels to Hitler today times are people like Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Molosevic, both of whom the US helped bring down.

And what about the toll that Saddam Hussein would have exacted? And what about the economic sanctions, which would have remained in place?

You think Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq by now? I doubt that. That would be the biggest mistake we could make and he knows it, rhetoric aside.

And if Kerry was president, and he was acting as George Bush is in response to the hurricane, I would be defending him too. As General Honore said recently, "If we're stuck on blame, then we're stuck on stupid."

You can take my comments out of context, which aren't directed at you. In any matter, and post YOUR own opinion.

For more refer to my last post about the War. And as I said before, all the facts aren't out about Katrina, but if you think George Bush did everything right... that says a lot your opinions.

Also, How does comparing George Bush to Hilter. Insult anyone from "Hitler's horror". I couldn't think of another figure like Bush to compare him too, besides that comparison has been made before. We only count american losses and not the iraqi loss since the war. Yes, The republican party does remind me of Hilters army at times.

"You think Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq by now?"

If George bush was never in power. This war... and all MY generation would be home, protecting us AT home.

And you actually believe that we froze all of his assets, huh? :rolleyes:

We froze some, but I'd be willing to bet we barely scratched the surface simply because we have no idea where all of his assets are at. Bin Laden has plenty of cash at his disposal...

Well if you have ''no idea'' then how can you be sure he's got plenty?

We aren't trying to make their government like ours in terms of a two party system or anything. We are giving the power to the people to decide for themselves. The only ones over there that are against us are the Bathe party and the foreign terrorists that just went there because that's where we were. I have family and friends serving in Iraq and Afghanistan right now and I can assure that, from what I've hear from someone who is standing in the middle of the desert right this second in harm's way, that the overwhelming majority or regular citizens are very greatful for what we are doing.

We aren't only after bin Laden and al-Qaida either. There is a war on terror and any nations that harbor terrorists, so it's not limited to only al-Qaida. And while I am still in complete agreement with you that our motives in Iraq are questionable, that still doesn't make al-Qaida the only group we are going after. Saddam Hussein was a terrorist, not neccesarily to us, but to his own people.

I am on the exact same page with you in regards to both parties being corrupt and crooked. I can't stand politicians. But since you are so concerned with partisonship and bin Laden, why don't you try this one on for size...

This was like 10-12 years ago. Sudan had him. They offered to hand him over to us. Bill Clinton declined the offer fearing political fallout. If any fingers are to be pointed in regards to not getting bin Laden when we should have, it's pointing directly at Slick Willy. He had him on a silver platter and he turned him down because he was too afraid of hurting his public image.

And then he goes and gets a BJ from a fat chick like that's good for his image.... :rolleyes:

This comment is totally out of left field and needs some clarification. (If you dont mind elaborating. I'm just not sure what specifically you are taling about.)

Well, he's a known multi-millionaire, as well as being the top terrorist operative in the world. If it was you, wouldn't you have your money spread out? I know I would. I'd have it in fifty different countries under fifty different names. I would think a Most Wanted terrorist millionaire would have the foresight to stash some money away before flying planes into the US infrastructure.

Wow...I have MUCH to answer to :)

And yet...Saddam had many of his own Bathe party members (mostly officials) executed....Saddam's only REAL loyalty was to HIMSELF.....Do you remember this incident?:

Saddam's daughter had a husband and children....Her husband was an official in the Bathe Party...Her husband decided that Saddam was dangerous and what he was doing was wrong (this was after he gassed over 6,000 of his own people)...He told his wife that he knew his views would get him killed, that he refused to participate in what was going on any longer, so he left the country...He begged his wife to go with him, but she was afraid of what her father would do to her and her children if she tried to leave (she was terrified of her own father...Of course, this was in a country where a father is responsible for cutting off the head of his daughter if she is believed to be 'impure')....Saddam had his sons track down the daughter's husband...The husband was told, "Father wants you to return...Our sister and your children need you...He (Saddam) has forgiven you, he would not harm you, you are family and he knows that his daughter and grandchildren need you"...There was LOTS of convincing and he (the husband) ended up falling for it....As soon as he returned to Iraq, he was beheaded by Saddam's oldest son, in front of his wife and children.....Saddam simply said, "No one betrays me"

It is difficult for us (most of us) to grasp the concept of such brutality and disloyalty.....In a country where you have no loyalty to anyone but yourself, the friend or foe lines are not so clearly drawn...They are VERY blurry, and subject to change on a whim....And so, Although the Bathe Party and Al-Qeida DID truly hate each other, 2 enemies WILL join forces against a common enemy, that is a universal fact (See Army Of Darkness...lol)...And America, particularly our way of life, is hated by almost all of the Middle East...They are raised from birth to believe that we are evil and immoral...

AND...During Clinton's administration, it was established that Bin Laden was NOT our ally...As we had gathered information that he was responsible for attacks against us BEFORE 9-11...Saudi Arabia had him in custody, they offered him to Clinton 3 times...He was apparently too busy to be bothered with such trivial matters as stopping terrorists...He didn't really see him as a threat...

There have been MANY times that we have tried to help people, provide them weapons and training, and have them turn on us and use it against us....That is not a new occurance, and I am pretty sure that it will continue to happen....We are generally a trusting people, that may be one of our biggest weaknesses (See Mars Attacks :D)

People and situations change...Allies become enemies, and vise-versa...

Have you NO idea how arrogant we are as a country?...We broadcast our intentions all over the world before we do ANYTHING (VERY bad move...But, if we didn't do it, people would scream that they were being 'kept in the dark')....OUR media is one of the enemy's greatest weapons....We feel that we can overcome that breech, we expect them to just wait for us to implement our plans before they do anything...BUT, it's really no different than UN inspectors setting up APPOINTMENTS with them to inspect their weapons cache...Always guaranteeing them the opportunity to 'clean up' before inspectors arrive...Ridiculous

Al-Qeida has always been spread out in the Middle East...Although they are actually a relatively small faction (or they WERE until people starting joining them enmasse to 'bring down America')...Yet, they made certain that they remained visible as much as possible in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and even parts of Pakistan...This is a way for a small faction to appear larger than they actually are, as is claiming responsibilty (taking credit) for just about ANY terrorist attack (and even disasters that end up being proven to be accidents) perpetuated anywhere in the world, especially America.....And yes, they did descend upon Iraq in droves as soon as our troops arrived

I'm just going to disagree with that...I can DO that, as an American :)

Ever wonder where he GOT all of that money?...It couldn't have all come from his rich family...He had BILLIONS of dollars...Much more than his family's combined net worth...Sadly, some of his money came from US.....But, Saddam was willing to fund ANY faction that was hellbent on the destruction of America...Believe it or not, Saddam doesn't like us very much...heh

And Saddam had ridiculous amounts of money that he diverted from the Oil For Food program that was SUPPOSED to go to his people...The UN was responsible for overseeing that program, and making sure that the funds were distributed as intended, just as they were supposed to handle the weapons inspections...And people wonder why we do NOT have much faith in working with the UN...They have proven to be dangerously ineffective, on far too many occasions

And yes...Bin Laden needed money after his assets were frozen...No, I don't believe it was possible to locate ALL of his resources, BUT we even had a stranglehold on all of the assets of his family members as well...It HAD to restrict him quite a bit...


Your turn:)

No one can prove that the government will be stable after we leave... How long do we stay ? Sure... the toll isn't bad so far. But how about five years from now ? I don't want ANY troops dying for this cause that 60% of the nation doesn't believe in. We will always be the "BAD USA". I hope this works out because I don't want our soldiers to dye in vein, while our leader jokes with his buddy at his ranch... I will never support War, unless it 100% just. Look at Canada, man... They don't have half of the problems we have at all. Free Health care.. You could say they even have more freedom, then the "land of the free"

I heard about that, It just makes me sick. Its unbelievable! But I have always voted for Nader. Wasted vote, but I say "what isn't ?"

Some crazy fucks believe they have the right to have ANY gun ever made because of the 2nd amendment. You know, like we need a AK-47 to do hunting with :rolleyes:, they say hunting is a sport but there is no challenge in hunting. Unless you use a bow and arrow. The 2nd amendment was to up hold our government. Which is impossible because the police have full control of our society.

Oh...You already knew that..lol...Oh well..I mentioned it anyway :)


As for the rest of what you said (in this same post)...I agree 100%

And the REASON that "We aren't only after bin Laden and al-Qaida either. There is a war on terror and any nations that harbor terrorists, so it's not limited to only al-Qaida."...Is that we are trying to quell the HUGE amount of hatred and bloodlust for our destruction ALL OVER the Middle East, so that they will no longer be a threat (or as much of one) to us...We went after Saddam first, because he was one of the biggest perpetrators of the brutality, oppression and tyranny that causes the type of mentality that is dangerous for us....We were just cutting off the head of the snake, before we moved on to the rest of the body...That's the best tactical move in ANY war plan...

We also have to try to change the way these people are educated, so that eventually the children won't be taught and trained to kill us, throughout their entire childhoods...

In my opinion, North Korea is the next biggest threat (if not AS big a threat as Saddam)....Syria is up there, too...

Yes I remember this incident although I don't really see how it pertains to anything. What are you getting at? That Saddam is a cold motherfucker? We already know that.

This is really just your own speculation. There has never been anything proving these two are working together.

I'm pretty sure it was Sudan (Fearing a US attack) that offered him to us, but you're right about Slick Willy being the one to drop the ball on that.

Yep. Our government is stupid.

Deja vu. Didn't you basically already say that in the 2nd paragraph?

The American media is retarded. No arguement here on that one. Anyone needing proof can just look up the Fox news archives of Geraldo Rivera drawing a fucking map in the sand of where the military plattoon he was traveling with was stationed during the opening days of the Iraq war. What a fuckin' dumbass...

Actually, bin Laden's war was against Saudi Arabia for a long, long time. (Because they allowed western influence in a Muslim country.) Until recently, al-Qaida operated primarily out of Afghanistan and the border regions of Pakistan, and before that Sudan. I have never seen, heard, or been shown anything saying that al-Qaida was ni Iraq or Iran before we went to Iraq.

Yeah you can do that, but I don't see any reason that you would know better than the 9/11 Commission.

In addition to his familial wealth, he owned several major legit corporations during his time in Sudan. It was a very poor country and he actually did a TON for their infrastructure. That's where most of his money came from.

Kofi Annan is the biggest crook of any politicans. The UN is a joke. Oil for Food was a fucking fiasco. But just because Saddam didn't distribute the money like he should have, doesn't mean he gave it to bin Laden. You are jumping to conclusions without backing them up with anything.

It probably restriced him some, but we didn't get it all. To think we commandeered all of his cash would be to underestimate his intelligence, which would be just plain naive. bin Laden is not a stupid man by any stretch of the imagination. If you had declared a holy war on the US, don't you think he'd have the foresight to stick most of his money out of our reach? The US can't freeze Swiss bank accounts. The US didn't go look in all the safes in Afghanistan. The US may have froze some of his families cash, but what about all the money he has resting with operatives that the US isn't even aware of? The US freezing his cash may have dented his bankroll, but it sure didn't cripple it.

Okay, back at ya.

History channel is running a biography on bin Laden this month. I just watched it a couple days ago and it's really good, but that's where alot of my info came from.

I basically think we are seeing eye to eye on pretty much everything except the al-Qaida/Iraq connection.

North Korea is a WAY bigger threat than Iraq. They actually have nuclear weapons now and their leader is insane enough to use them without regard to the reprecussions! (Kinda like Castro during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He wanted to just launch them too, but luckily for the entire world, the Russian government had enough common sense to realize that would have been WW3.