Let me just say one thing:

A war on terrorism, is an war that is completely unwinable.

There will always be terrorist, and that is what George W. Bush can't seem to understand. He thinks this is a war, that he can win.

There will always be people who hate us (Americans) because of our freedoms.

If George W. Bush wanted to start a war, he should have started it with Saudia Arabia, not Iraq! The Bush family has always been buddy buddy with the Saudis, and if you do you're research these are the exact people who have been funding muslim extremist! and why have they been buddy buddy with Saudia Arabia, becausee of oil! that's why! GWB is nothing but a greedy oil hungry madman, who cares nothing for the people of his own country, he just wants more oil, which in turn gives him more money!

So if you wanna catch the worst terrorist in the world, you should begin looking at the White House! George W. Bush should be impeached, and not only that but all of his staff should be thrown out on the street as well!

Ok, well i said more than one thing, but I just had to get that off my back.

So what you're saying is we should just let the fuckers get away with it and not do anything?

Of course, we shouldn't just stand by and do nothing! but what I am saying is this:

that instead of wasting our time with Iraq, which in my opinion had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 unlike George W. Bush claims. We should be going after Al-Qaeda and Osamba Bin Laden, which most of the country has seemed to forget is who attacked us!

I will agree that is good that we removed Sadam from power, but he wasn't the one that attacked us! There has even been proof that Iraq has never had the capability to attack us, he was just a ruthless dicator over his own people!

What you have to realise is that they're will always be people who hate us, and attack the innocent. It is impossible to rid the world of terrorist. As soon as you get rid of one terrorist group another will rise. It's just a vicious circle.

They're still finding Al-Qaeda members, every month or so you hear about another few guys they've caught.

They can't get the shit done all at one time and if Bin-Laden is hiding somewhere in one of the God knows how many caves over there then they aren't going to find him anytime soon.

Some people seem to forget that there are still troops over there as well as Iraq and that they aren't going to bring down an entire terrorist organization all at once. And I also don't see the problem with bringing down another terrorist, it's called the war on terror and Saddam was a terrorist.

People keep saying the war is about oil and there's no weapons but what nobody seems to think about is that they literally found Saddam in a hole in the ground, I obviously can't be sure about this but I'd put my money on it that there's more than just that one. Who knows maybe there's weapons in those holes, hell maybe Bin Laden is in one of those holes.

I never expected them to be able to cripple Al-Qaeda over night, and you're right every so often you do hear about, another member being caught. And you could be right, Bin Laden could be hiding in a hole in the ground somewhere or in a cave.

My basic point that I was trying to get across is this:

That we should go after terrorist groups aggressively, but that as we do this, we should realise that we can't expect to totally eliminate terrorist all together. This is a fight that we need to always fight, but it's a fight that has no ending and clearly no winner.

It has been proven that Sadam was helping to finance Al-Qaeda as well as other terrorist organizations...There's your link...

If you want to kill a snake, you have to cut off its head...

And...BECAUSE we removed Sadam from power, which left Iraq with no ruler (no control) whatsoever, and allowed the extremists and terrorists to try to gain control of the country, and basically wreak havok and run wild unchecked, we felt it was OUR responsibility to stay and help them to establish their OWN government (free from extremism, and one that would work with and for their people), and to help them fight off the insurgents that felt the country was 'free reign' after Sadam was removed, while building and training their own army so that in the future they could handle these things by themselves...We stayed...And I believe that our soldiers WILL remain there, until Iraq can 'take care' of itself...

That's just silly...Sadam had FAR more capability, money, and power to attack us, than Bin Laden did...If Bin Laden attacked us, so could anyone else...That's why they ALL have to be stopped...

The weapons WERE there...Sadam used them on his own people...There's no denying that...

BUT...I doubt that they would be there NOW when Sadam's allies included MANY countries that harbor terrorists and owe Sadam tons of money, as well as many favors...If you think that shit hasn't been passed through Syria...You have to be completely uninformed...

First off Osama Bin Laden is a Billionare, he wouldn't need financial backing in order to carry out acts of terror. Also as far as WMD, we haven't found any! We have found that he has killed his own people, that is true. I'm glad that we got him out of power, but connecting him to 9/11 , that's the lie that Bush has gotten people to believe.

That's basically what I was trying to say....that everybody is just stuck on this oil theory when there are all sorts of way Sadam coulda got 'em out of there. I don't understand why so many people jumped to a negative conclusion, I remember just months after they'd went into Iraq people were asking questions about and doubting that there were weapons.

You can believe whatever you want to believe the reason for the war in Iraq to be but I don't see what's so bad about getting rid of a terrorist/violent dictator,liberating a country and helping them set up their own government and army.

Whether Bin Laden NEEDED Sadam's support or not, he still had it...Also, immediately following the 9/11 attacks...ALL of Bin Laden's financial resources were cut off (and still are)...That's where Sadam's support helped him the most...Terrorism and weapons are VERY expensive ;)...

And by the way...I don't believe ANYONE...I form my OWN opinions, based solely on facts...

So what's your point?

He coulda moved 'em, they might be hidden.

Why do so many people want to jump to the negative conclusion, like I just said in my previous post I remember just months after the invasion people were saying the same thing you have to give stuff time. The soldiers aren't just over there looking 24/7 they also have to worry about bombs,bullets going by their heads ect. ect.

Oh...But we HAVE found (and destroyed) very small caches of chemical weapons, and components that can be used to make WMDs...And these very small caches, have been found in some very LARGE places (many underground)...There's no way that there wasn't much more that had been removed before we got there...You don't build an entire candy store to sell one candy bar ;)

BTW...I just wanted to say that I love the fact that we can have this discussion (debate) in a civil and intelligent manner...Perhaps things are changing at Horror.com...













Nah...I seriously doubt it...:p :D

There will always be terrorism/terrorists, even now that Sadam is out of power, even as Al-Qaeda begins to crumble apart. Terrorism is a war that has to be fought, but it's a war with no end. Terrorism has been around forever. The Romans slaughetered Christians, the Nazi's slaughtered the Jews, Whites put blacks into slavery, the KKK burn crosses, the IRA set off car bombs. These are all forms of terrorism. There will always be hatred, and that hatred will always breed forms of terrorism and terrorist.

Now that I didn't hear(I admit..I don't watch the news as much as I should) but until they pull a nuc out in front of the CNN cameras everybody's going to be stuck on the ''oil'' thing.

This maybe true but when Iraq has it's government in place and ready to take over with a military then it will be much easier to ex-spell terrorist from their country whenever they arise.

I definitely agree with you on that, unfortunately it is still going to be a long time before Iraq is going to be capable of that, on their own. And I do agree, it would be bad to just leave the country as it is currently. I just pray and hope that our troops will be safe and be able to come home as soon as possible.

Like I said...Only very SMALL caches, we blew up a few barrels, stuff like that...Apparently not very worthy or worth talking about much...Especially if you're trying to hold onto the rhetoric that 'There's NOTHING there' :rolleyes:

As for the 'oil' thing...I don't wanna even go INTO that...Let's just say that it has to do with the 'Oil For Food' program, that was SUPPOSED to be monitored by the UN (in which they failed MISERABLY), most of the profits were being funneled to Sadam (as well as others) and NOT to the people for whom it was intended, so we suggested that WE control the program, since the UN obviously couldn't handle it...And, that caused us to look like we were trying to 'take over the oil'...I KNOW I'm gonna get called out on that one, because there's a WHOLE lot more to it, that's just my quick rundown on it in a nutshell....So, for those who wish to FULLY enlighten me on the finer aspects of this subject, I already know, I just don't wanna drag it all out here...There are MANY facets to this particular debate...

hmm politics....



*walks out of the thread forever

Nope...Nothing's changed...lol

Since the notorious beheading videos were faked, could this move not be interpreted as simple propaganda for the Iraqi militants?

Granted, the victims were still killed, but not in the footage available on the internet - the casual sawing off of live heads with kitchen knives is so ridiculous it takes only a casual glance to realise the hostages have been killed under different (probably more "humane") circumstances.

One must conclude the makers of the videos - most of them appeared to have the same production team - wanted to convey a more barbaric and fearsome militia to the rest of the world.

its probably been said... but whether or not you think we shuold be there, we are and we cant just pull em out

theres gona be troops ther that are all about fightin, and then theres gonna be those ones that are against it but guess what.. are stuck.

support em, pray, whatever.. stay informed.. all we can do.

and yeh.. what those few soldiers did to the prisoners was BAD, extremely poor judgment.. but gues what? thats a FEW people. in this case, a few bad eggs DONT spoil the bunch. also, uve got to think about what thes epeopel r going through. cuz id hafto say yeh, id probably try and fuck around a bit with some people who want to kill me simply for being me...

Saddam attacked and murdered his own peeps. His bastard sons did unspeakable things to women and so on.

The United Nations sat there, yucked it up with their backroom deals in the oil for food program and sat around while Saddam was committing genocide.

Terrorists have been coming from all over the middle east now since the mid 70s.

Where the FUCK would you like us to begin???

And some people want to sit around and say that the whole reason we went over to Iraq was for OIL???? Are people really that stupid??

I am no big fan of Bush, he is really starting to piss me off, but not for reasons that you would think. I think we really need to stop with this kinder gentler war ethic and just start kickin ass.

Sorry folks but these FUCKERS dont understand anything else. You cant reason with them, or appease them or buy them a fucking milkshake.

What you have to do is KILL KILL KILL. All of them. It is really sad that I have to say some thing like this but there is no other option.

babygurl does this have anything to do with your friend being sent over there?!!!!??? or r u still talking?;)