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HappyCamper 06-26-2005 08:39 PM

and hopefully he'll be given the chance turn turn 'Land' into another trilogy

Kreech 06-26-2005 09:03 PM

I saw this movie opening day with my girlfriend, and i learned something about George A. Romero in the movie's playing time.

1. Even directors who previously put out legendary films of greatness which i enjoy thuroughly can still make a piece of crap movie with the right cast and ideas.

2. Die Hard fans of the Dead series will praise Romero for pissing his name in the snow, let alone releasing a new zombie movie no matter how bad it is.

3. Die Hard fans will also deny any fault you point out in a movie no matter how serious or obvious it is.

I didn't think this movie was all bad, but com'mon now...

"I thought this was going to be a fight.... but this is a massacre..."

At this point i knew that i had paid too much to see this movie. The main guy, whatever his name was... he was a terrible actor. The fact that they were sympathizing with zombies was okay at first and then i thought:
"Hey... those things are trying to eat you... it's maybe okay to kill them. You know, so you don't end up food."

Terrible, terrible. I can't help but wonder what was going through Romero's mind when i made this.

One thing i did like though, was the Pourtorican guy comming back as a zombie on the (can't remember his name) older gentlemen that ran the big building in the center of the city. That was cool and it reminded me of Ninja Turtles for some reason. I don't know.

I really did try to like this movie. I want to like this movie, but i can't. It's got too many points against it. Maybe i'll see it again someday and really love it, but i doubt it. I give it a 5 out of 10.

blackknight 06-26-2005 09:44 PM

I would like to see what a unrated dvd might look like. The theatrical release I thought was a total letdown 4/10.

Deposable 06-26-2005 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kreech
I saw this movie opening day with my girlfriend, and i learned something about George A. Romero in the movie's playing time.

1. Even directors who previously put out legendary films of greatness which i enjoy thuroughly can still make a piece of crap movie with the right cast and ideas.

2. Die Hard fans of the Dead series will praise Romero for pissing his name in the snow, let alone releasing a new zombie movie no matter how bad it is.

3. Die Hard fans will also deny any fault you point out in a movie no matter how serious or obvious it is.

I didn't think this movie was all bad, but com'mon now...

"I thought this was going to be a fight.... but this is a massacre..."

At this point i knew that i had paid too much to see this movie. The main guy, whatever his name was... he was a terrible actor. The fact that they were sympathizing with zombies was okay at first and then i thought:
"Hey... those things are trying to eat you... it's maybe okay to kill them. You know, so you don't end up food."

Terrible, terrible. I can't help but wonder what was going through Romero's mind when i made this.

One thing i did like though, was the Pourtorican guy comming back as a zombie on the (can't remember his name) older gentlemen that ran the big building in the center of the city. That was cool and it reminded me of Ninja Turtles for some reason. I don't know.

I really did try to like this movie. I want to like this movie, but i can't. It's got too many points against it. Maybe i'll see it again someday and really love it, but i doubt it. I give it a 5 out of 10.

can't understand why sympathizing with zombies? Maybe because Humans are worse creatures than zombies. We are like Virus Parasites.

Who the fuck are you anyway? get the fuck out of here you, jerk off.

Also, I agree with The_Return. I think Land of the dead is better than Dawn. Blastipheme! but maybe you guys will realize this one day or maybe you'll remind stabborn.

9/10 some critic's said this movie was funny, what fucking idiots.

bwind22 06-26-2005 11:44 PM

1-Dawn
2-Night
3-Day
4-Land

AUSTIN316426808 06-27-2005 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by Deposable
can't understand why sympathizing with zombies? Maybe because Humans are worse creatures than zombies. We are like Virus Parasites.

Who the fuck are you anyway? get the fuck out of here you, jerk off.

Also, I agree with The_Return. I think Land of the dead is better than Dawn. Blastipheme! but maybe you guys will realize this one day or maybe you'll remind stabborn.

9/10 some critic's said this movie was funny, what fucking idiots.


You're really not going to give into that whole

"everybody is entitled to their opinion and it's nothing more than the individual's personal thoughts about the particular topic which is perfectly fine if it's different because no two people are alike and that's what makes the world interesting and not a boring place full of robots"

thing are you?

AUSTIN316426808 06-27-2005 01:14 AM

Land of the Dead came in 5th at the box office with 10.2 million(unofficial)

that's about average for a big horror film.


I really thought kids were going to eat up that Herbie bullshit but Batman is still number 1.

bwind22 06-27-2005 04:26 AM

Even Bewitched (Which I heard sucked) beat Herbie!

alkytrio666 06-27-2005 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Deposable
can't understand why sympathizing with zombies? Maybe because Humans are worse creatures than zombies. We are like Virus Parasites.

Who the fuck are you anyway? get the fuck out of here you, jerk off.

Also, I agree with The_Return. I think Land of the dead is better than Dawn. Blastipheme! but maybe you guys will realize this one day or maybe you'll remind stabborn.

9/10 some critic's said this movie was funny, what fucking idiots.

Look, don't take this the wrong way, I like you, and don't want to turn this into thread fight buulshit, but I have one thing to say.

I dont think it's fair to be calling us stubborn when you and Return (if you do, in fact, think like Return, as you said) can't appreciate Romero's attempt for humor mixed into the horror in the original 'Dawn'. I dont think we're being stubborn, I think you're being stubborn. Maybe it didn't have some of the special FX of 'Land', but it was Romero. 'Land' just isn't Romero, it was rushed, weak, and really not very good.

Now with that said, don't wig out on me here, 'cause I really have a lot of respect for both you and Return.

Thank you, I'm done. :)

Kreech 06-27-2005 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deposable
can't understand why sympathizing with zombies? Maybe because Humans are worse creatures than zombies. We are like Virus Parasites.

Who the fuck are you anyway? get the fuck out of here you, jerk off.

Also, I agree with The_Return. I think Land of the dead is better than Dawn. Blastipheme! but maybe you guys will realize this one day or maybe you'll remind stabborn.

9/10 some critic's said this movie was funny, what fucking idiots.

I thought we were beyond childish name-calling.

Also, "virus-parasite" is somewhat redundant. But i'm not going to flame in a movie disscussion, so i won't bother pointing out several other things you said that i disagree with.

The remake of Dawn is one of the best zombie films in a while, even though it was not as good as the origional. For me, i'd wrather see the remake of Dawn than see Land of the Dead again.

(personaly, i really enjoyed 28 Days Later. I don't praise it or anything, but i thought it was decent.)

Deposable 06-27-2005 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
You're really not going to give into that whole

"everybody is entitled to their opinion and it's nothing more than the individual's personal thoughts about the particular topic which is perfectly fine if it's different because no two people are alike and that's what makes the world interesting and not a boring place full of robots"

thing are you?

I am entitled to my opinion and that is not liking other people's opinions :D

Quote:

Originally posted by alkytrio666
Look, don't take this the wrong way, I like you, and don't want to turn this into thread fight buulshit, but I have one thing to say.

I dont think it's fair to be calling us stubborn when you and Return (if you do, in fact, think like Return, as you said) can't appreciate Romero's attempt for humor mixed into the horror in the original 'Dawn'. I dont think we're being stubborn, I think you're being stubborn. Maybe it didn't have some of the special FX of 'Land', but it was Romero. 'Land' just isn't Romero, it was rushed, weak, and really not very good.

Now with that said, don't wig out on me here, 'cause I really have a lot of respect for both you and Return.

Thank you, I'm done. :)

Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first too say "I'm stabborn". Also, I think 'Dawn of the dead' is one of the greatest horror movies ever! But its HIGHLY overrated, but thats okay. it is still a very good movie.

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Originally posted by Kreech
Also, "virus-parasite" is somewhat redundant. But i'm not going to flame in a movie disscussion, so i won't bother pointing out several other things you said that i disagree with.

The remake of Dawn is one of the best zombie films in a while, even though it was not as good as the origional. For me, i'd wrather see the remake of Dawn than see Land of the Dead again.

Redundant or not, its true. but maybe you're a republican. hahaha

the Remake of Dawn was just as much as a action movie as LOTD. The Actors were much worse, plus it had no message, no meaning, no point. just too take you're money for a hour and a half of zombie fun.

Flame me all you want, I don't care. and disagree all you want. Its called a "Discussion".

Kreech 06-27-2005 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deposable


Redundant or not, its true. but maybe you're a republican. hahaha

the Remake of Dawn was just as much as a action movie as LOTD. The Actors were much worse, plus it had no message, no meaning, no point. just too take you're money for a hour and a half of zombie fun.

Flame me all you want, I don't care. and disagree all you want. Its called a "Discussion".

I'm not a Republican, i'm just a sweet transvestite.

I really thought the actors in the remake of Dawn were a lot better than the ones in Land. Actualy, it was simply the mellowdramatic, bad acting in Land that made me not like the movie. Action... yeah, they both had about the same amount. I'd trade action and violence for great acting and plot anyday though. That's just me.

ItsAlive75 06-27-2005 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kreech
I'm not a Republican, i'm just a sweet transvestite.

I really thought the actors in the remake of Dawn were a lot better than the ones in Land. Actualy, it was simply the mellowdramatic, bad acting in Land that made me not like the movie. Action... yeah, they both had about the same amount. I'd trade action and violence for great acting and plot anyday though. That's just me.

I don't wanna touch that first part.

Yeah, the actors were better in the Dawn remake... and it had more action. But what real plot was in it? "We're trapped in a mall and we need to get away... to anywhere." It took away the real message of the original, which is why it wasn't as good. The whole fact that the zombies RAN in the remake decimated the whole glossy, awestruck look of the zombies as they went in all the stores.

Land has a plot, and a pretty good message too. The problem is that the flick IS rushed, so you have to dig deep and find the little lines. The ending... yeah its a bit lame, but kinda poignant too. The fact that these "monsters" are trying to find themselves just like the humans is perfect for the struggles America is going through right now.

Just my opinion.

Jason Hodder 06-28-2005 05:43 AM

I liked this movie enough to see it twice opening weekend. First showing on Friday and with my friends on Sunday. I really enjoyed it a lot. I agree with some of the statements that were made about it being rushed, time wise. I think that when it is released on DVD with an unrated version people will like it better. I'm sure there were a lot of things cut to get past the MPAA.

For those that are on myspace.com I'm going to have a review of this movie up on my site.

From Tuesday through Thrusday before the release I rewatched all the Dead series (original & remakes). This is my list

1) Day of the Dead - After watching it again it became my fvorite, I love Bub.

2) Night of the Living Dead (original) - First horror movie I saw at 5 years old, holds a special place in my heart.

3) Dawn of the Dead (origianl) - Love the message. A lot of fun to watch. Also the European version has the best audio commentary I've ever heard with the main cast.

4) Dawn of the Dead (remake) - I really enjoyed this movie. I thought as a remake it wasn't anything great but as a straight up horror movie, it was the best in a long time. I was hoping it would suck but I was surprised at how good it was. I wasn't pissed that the zombies were running like I tought I would be.

5) Night of the Living Dead (remake) - A very good remake loved that it was written by Romero and directed by Savini. Not as good as the remake of Dawn, but can stand up on it's own.

6) Land of the Dead - Review will be up, but putting it at 6th doesn't mean I didn't like it. I would give it a 7 out of 10 and can't wait for the DVD.

Also, I am interested to see how the Day remake is going to be. Night was good, Dawn was really good, and if the remakes get better then this will be great, but we will have to wait and see.

majorbludd 06-28-2005 08:55 AM

land is basically an action movie....with some zombies....that main actor....the pretty guy....i think he had his own show on tv....the profiler or sum crap....he's lame....dawn remake was twice as good.....actually i think i enjoyed ghosts of mars better.

bwind22 06-28-2005 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by majorbludd
ghosts of mars.

lol


That movie was really bad. They totally re-use some parts more than once. (The show the same exact clip of all the aliens monster dudes running into battle at least twice in the film.) That's the only one I've caught, but then again I've only seen the movie twice and the second time I was only half watching.

jay o2 waster 06-29-2005 05:48 PM

I saw this the day it came out and just watched it again and i am in love with this movie. It is utterly impossinble for me to pick a favorite Dead film. To me they are all one big movie. you gotta respect romero for honing his ideas for so long and not cashing in until he knew he had what he needed to make the movie.

BH14 07-03-2005 01:54 PM

SPOILER***************

Just saw this movie today in a theatre full of 9 people... For real... Anyways, its better than i thought because of the mixed reviews... I liked John Leguizamo's character and Argento's character... I thought they did good jobs. The main character was ok (kinda boring). And Hopper seemed liked he had 2 lines the whole movie. I was cracking up when Hopper said "Quick get down" to that guy and then shot him in the head. For some reason, I like to see zombies evolving whether it being running (like DOTD 2004) or getting somewhat smarter. Everything has to evolve somewhat so why not zombies. I remember someone said "zombies cant swim"... thats true but they dont breath either so they can cross the river. So I liked the plot since its the Aftermath of zombies takeover.... Its not just a "kill buncha zombies, see lot of gore and the end!".... There was lot of gore in this movie i thought anyways...I will pick this movie up on DVD.

I give it an 8/10... right on par with DOTD 2004. I think its a worthy movie to the series.... And i liked it better than Day of the Dead.

jedicow 07-03-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Deposable

the Remake of Dawn was just as much as a action movie as LOTD. The Actors were much worse, plus it had no message, no meaning, no point. just too take you're money for a hour and a half of zombie fun.

so whats wrong with an hour and a half of mindless zombie fun? does it have to have a pertinent message to be a good zombie flick?

i saw LOTD friday night and i really enjoyed myself. i liked bakers character and ,surprisngly enough, leguizamos character. i say surprisingly because i have never liked john leguizamo. i liked the progression of the zombies and i thought it was a nice, new, fresh take on the zombie genre. but thats just my opinion.

ItsAlive75 07-03-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by jedicow
i say surprisingly because i have never liked john leguizamo.
I think John Leguizamo is an incredible actor. He just picks shitty roles sometimes (The Pest).

BH14 07-03-2005 06:13 PM

I always liked Leguizamo.. He is absolutely hilarious when he was doing standup... I also liked a lot of his movies such as "S.O.S. Summer of Sam", "Carlitto's Way" Benny from the Bronx, "Spawn", "Whats the Worst Thing that Could Happen", "Empire", "Spun", "Casualities of War", etc. Now, i like his character in Land.

Its the main character in land who seemed like he had no emotion. I thought Asia Argento did a good job as well. I didnt care much for Hopper but he had like 2 mins of the movie so its hard to judge him fairly.

jedicow 07-04-2005 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by BH14

Its the main character in land who seemed like he had no emotion.
i think that was done on purpose. they never got very much into his backstory, other than him shooting his brother, so i think he acted emotionless because he was trying to hide his pain.

Chainsaw Guy 07-05-2005 07:05 AM

Well i was in new york when i saw it and it was on the first day and me and some guys were talking about if there was gonna be a Tom Savini cameo and we were right over all I liked the idea of 2 story lines with the Humans and the zombies. But there was these stupid fucking girls behind me who would jump everytime a zombie would come up

MrShape 07-07-2005 12:37 PM

Seen it twice already. Great zombie movie. Romero's back in fine form with this film. It got the usual Romero staple of horror, humor and social commentary that the other dead films do. And a lot of cool looking zombies. I'll reserve full jugement until I see the uncut DVD (assuming Universal will let him release it). That final zombie chowdown inside the Green looked like it had been drastically cut down. I know some people complained that "zombies don't swim", but it you watch, they don't swim. They just drop to the bottom and walk until they reach land. It was interesting to note that Land involved elements from George's orginal Day Of The Dead script (you can read it at www.homepageofthedead.com. Check it out, it's alot different then the one that actually got filmed.) that he had to ditch and rewrite to make less expensive. In that script, there were people living outside the compound in complete squalor while those inside lived in relative comfort, a concept he finally explored with building in Land.

My sole real complaint was Big Daddy. The actor who played him didn't do a very good job. I kept comparing him to Howard Sherman's performance as Bub and he came up lacking. Way too much screaming, and he figured stuff out too fast to be believable as a zombie. This guy needs to go back to zombie school. On the other hand, Number 9 performed very well (a hottie zombie chick with part of her face missing, who'da thunk it?) Maybe she should have been the lead zombie?

By the way, did anyone notice that the R-rated print of Land is way gorier then the supposed "uncut" DVD of the Dawn Of The Dead remake?

crazy raplh 07-07-2005 03:49 PM

O haven't see it yet but I will I am staying in a town that has no movie theatre but I want to sooo bad.

Kinski's Ghost 07-07-2005 04:52 PM

It was pretty entertaining but it didn't feel like a Romero movie at all. The evolving zombie theme could have been handled better. They learned too fast. The zombie "leader" was a bit annoying as well. Worth seeing though!

Deposable 07-08-2005 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by jedicow
i think that was done on purpose. they never got very much into his backstory, other than him shooting his brother, so i think he acted emotionless because he was trying to hide his pain.
Thats what I thought too. The character has seen so much violence and evil he is immune too it. He's not like a robot because he has friends and trys too help them.

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Originally posted by Kinski's Ghost
It was pretty entertaining but it didn't feel like a Romero movie at all. The evolving zombie theme could have been handled better. They learned too fast. The zombie "leader" was a bit annoying as well. Worth seeing though!
It felt pure Romero. After over 5 years of having Zombies take over the world. they should have just stayed the same way.

darknessprevail 07-10-2005 07:40 AM

Land of the Dead? A comedy?
 
I know all zombie movies are generally funny without meaning to be, but is this supposed to be a comedy? Maybe a take-off like Shaun of Dead? And has George Romeo made any other comedies, assuming this is a comedy?

The_Return 07-10-2005 07:43 AM

Re: Land of the Dead? A comedy?
 
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Originally posted by darknessprevail
I know all zombie movies are generally funny without meaning to be, but is this supposed to be a comedy? Maybe a take-off like Shaun of Dead? And has George Romeo made any other comedies, assuming this is a comedy?

Have you made any other retarted threads, assuming this is a retarted thread? [Cause it is]

darknessprevail 07-10-2005 07:46 AM

fuck you
 
fuck you. i asked a legitimate question. and if you think this is so retarded why the hell did your reply to it.

BH14 07-10-2005 07:51 AM

Shaun of the Dead, Evil Dead and Return of the Living Dead... I would consider those movies to be the so called horror/comedies... But I wouldnt consider LOTD to be a comedy. I didnt think it was that funny but it had its funny moments. Its a zombie horror movie.

The_Return 07-10-2005 07:51 AM

Ya know, in general, I dont mind n00bs. Its the ones without a sence of humor that get on my nerves:p

Lighten up DP:)

darknessprevail 07-10-2005 07:52 AM

sry i was pissed off when I woke up

The_Return 07-10-2005 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by darknessprevail
sry i was pissed off when I woke up
No prob...Im usually pissed in the mornings too:p

Vempire 07-10-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Land of the Dead? A comedy?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by darknessprevail
I know all zombie movies are generally funny without meaning to be, but is this supposed to be a comedy? Maybe a take-off like Shaun of Dead? And has George Romeo made any other comedies, assuming this is a comedy?

Land of the Dead a comedy? In which parts are you referring to?

It had some unique scenes..NOT many. The "Flowers in the .." -fireworks, and the "headless" zombie that ends up still biting someone. I know, it sounds confusing, but once you see it, you'll understand. For me, the movie was not at all a comedy, just very sad. (disappointing) And flopped at the box office. Hasn't to date even reached 20 mil., and has already stopped being played at many theaters.
Zombies are dead.
Lets see some new ideas out of hollywood for a change

alkytrio666 07-10-2005 05:07 PM

Re: Re: Land of the Dead? A comedy?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Vempire
Land of the Dead a comedy? In which parts are you referring to?

It had some unique scenes..NOT many. The "Flowers in the .." -fireworks, and the "headless" zombie that ends up still biting someone. I know, it sounds confusing, but once you see it, you'll understand. For me, the movie was not at all a comedy, just very sad. (disappointing) And flopped at the box office. Hasn't to date even reached 20 mil., and has already stopped being played at many theaters.
Zombies are dead.
Lets see some new ideas out of hollywood for a change

Dude. Shut up. Zombie movies definately aren't dead. We just need a good one.

Land of the Dead was a zombie horror movie with some comical moments, just like every other Romero zombie flick (aside from maybe Night).

AUSTIN316426808 07-10-2005 06:28 PM

It's a horror not a comedy. All horror films for the most part have their funny parts some more than others doesn't mean it's a comedy.....

example- Evil Dead:horror movie with numerous comedic parts, Halloween:horror movie with very few comedic parts.
Shaun of the Dead: Flat out comedy/horror.

Shade 07-10-2005 08:07 PM

DoTH was funny...well...had hillarious parts. Personally I love horror movies with a sense of humor. This movie had its funny scenes too. Personally I loved Pilsbury.

ItsAlive75 07-10-2005 09:18 PM

Re: Re: Re: Land of the Dead? A comedy?
 
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Originally posted by alkytrio666
Dude. Shut up. Zombie movies definately aren't dead. We just need a good one.

They're GETTIN' to be dead. The well's been tapped I'd say, and I think there should be a short hiatis before anyone comes out with anymore. I mean, what more can you DO?

Tat2 07-10-2005 09:24 PM

Most (but not all) Horror movies have some comedic bits in it...It's called comic relief. It is often used to bring the viewer back down from the tension felt from a given scene or to set up a scene coming up. There are very few horror, thriller, Sci-Fi, suspense, or action movies that don't use varying amounts of comedy relief within them.

The basic idea is that film makers don't believe that making the moviegoer sit through a constant 90+ minute attack of tension without some form of temporary rescue (usually in the form of comedy/dark comedy) is benificial to the movie, profits, moviegoer enjoyment and multiple viewings. Think about every horror film you have ever watched - 99% of them used some form of comedy to break the tension after a edge of your seat scene. Just some movies may use more than others. Even the Exorcist used comedy - very little - but it's there.

Here are just a few examples:

The Exorcist - Damien Karras is in his room drunk after his Mother dies. His Priest buddy come in and during the scene asks where he got the booze. The reply was that he took it off of an Alter Boy. Same scene when his buddy takes off his shoes states "stealing is a sin." Very small bit of comedy relief but that was all it needed.

Exorcist 3 George C. Scott talking about the fish in his bathtub.

Jaws - Several different bits of comedy relief in this was stated by Hooper. Chief Brody stating "we're gonna need a bigger boat."

Dawn of the Dead (Original) - The Funny mall music was used to create breathing time for the audience every now and then. The rednecks shooting at the Zombies "...missed him...got him..." scene.


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